5 coaches to keep on the radar

[Tammany Hall]

I think the results UVA got for the conference they were in, and the "level" of their program, were pretty remarkable. They competed with Duke and UNC at the top of the conference almost every year. Not even looking, but I'll bet UVA's ACC record compares very favorably with either during Bennett's tenure and wouldn't surprise me at all to find he won more conference games than either during his tenure. Yes, you could say they hadn't won the "big one" right up until he did. Not very different to what PU has done, except (imo) they didn't do it on the back of 1 phenomenal talent.

Their achievements in the ACC were amazing. I still don't know how they won so many conference titles.

They deserved the natty, but they did have a fortunate run of games. They played the following seeds and the last four games were tight: 16 seed, 9 seed, 12 seed S16 (4 pt win), 3 seed E8 (OT, lol!!!), 5 seed F4 (1 pt win), and 3 seed Final (OT). I know the teams they played were playing well and advancing, but it was still a very, very nice run of opponents.

 

[kkott]

Ehhh...and despite that, outside the 2 year stretch he had Guy and Hunter...despite being competitive with those teams at the top, no one ever really paid any attention to them. Because they were not a threat nationally. Duke, UNC, etc... were.

I KNOW its been forever since IU was consistently relevant nationally...but I want Kansas, UConn, Jay Wright Villanova levels of success.

To paraphrase the great Curt Cignetti... "I don't want IU basketball to put self imposed limitations on their program." And I think that Bennett/Ryan Style, while likely a huge upgrade over what we've seen at IU in the last 20+ years (with the right coach implementing it), its still putting a ceiling on what the program could be.

I'll let those with more knowledge than me debate how much style dictates success. I remember my wise old uncle telling me every year when I was a kid, in the Super Bowl to pick the team with the best defense, and damn, he was right almost every year. I don't believe WI or UVA had near the talent of those other programs, but they had very nearly the same level of success. if you give those guys the same caliber of athlete, I think they elevate to the top levels of success vs any program. If no one paid attention to UVA, how come everyone knows they disappointed in the tourney all those years?

I'm glad it's not my job to find the next coach, all I'm saying is I'll support whatever style they play, if they win.

 

[.Gerdis]

I'll let those with more knowledge than me debate how much style dictates success. I remember my wise old uncle telling me every year when I was a kid, in the Super Bowl to pick the team with the best defense, and damn, he was right almost every year. I don't believe WI or UVA had near the talent of those other programs, but they had very nearly the same level of success. if you give those guys the same caliber of athlete, I think they elevate to the top levels of success vs any program. If no one paid attention to UVA, how come everyone knows they disappointed in the tourney all those years?

I'm glad it's not my job to find the next coach, all I'm saying is I'll support whatever style they play, if they win.

I’m a fan of seeing teams outperform the talent that they have. In other words, seeing a well coached team that is greater than the sum of their parts.

 

[Battimi]

Drake just went to 10-0 beating K-State in Kansas City in OT. Already beat Miami Florida and Vanderbuilt.

He just wins. Google him.

 

[CriticArisen]

It’s that time of the year when the thoughts of the IU fanbase turn to potential coaching replacements. The shiny of the pre season hype has faded and reality has again poisoned the dream. It’s like clockwork. I remember just a couple months ago there was talk here about Sweet Sixteen and stretch Final Four but now worried about keeping the margin of defeat under 20 points against a decent team.

 

[frikkenfrakken]

His last 4 years he is 72-40 again at Clemson not Indiana where he would have NIL and alot better players.

18-10 on average? One elite eight? We coulda kept Crean and have that.

Archie's record was better.

Brownell is another cautionary tale about hiring the shiny new mid major coach. He won 20 or more games 5 straight years between UNC Wilmington and Wright State, but got to Clemson and has been up and down.

Contrary to the opinion of some, IU does not recruit itself. Archie proved that. If he can't win regularly in the ACC with lesser talent, and he can't recruit high end talent, he will get no traction.

Some of you won't be happy until you're pissing on the smoldering rubble of Assembly Hall.

 

[CriticArisen]

18-10 on average? One elite eight? We coulda kept Crean and have that.

Archie's record was better.

Brownell is another cautionary tale about hiring the shiny new mid major coach. He won 20 or more games 5 straight years between UNC Wilmington and Wright State, but got to Clemson and has been up and down.

Contrary to the opinion of some, IU does not recruit itself. Archie proved that. If he can't win regularly in the ACC with lesser talent, and he can't recruit high end talent, he will get no traction.

Some of you won't be happy until you're pissing on the smoldering rubble of Assembly Hall.

I plan to have my ashes spread on the grounds of Assembly Hall.

 

[Tammany Hall]

IU recruits itself pretty well. Archie got a fairly steady stream of highly ranked players pre-NIL when IU didn’t pay much under the table. That said those players didn’t work out and he wasn’t a good coach, but technically the incoming talent was decent.

With our NIL now, IU is one of the easier places to recruit to. But, of course, the coach and staff still have to close…

 

[kkott]

18-10 on average? One elite eight? We coulda kept Crean and have that.

Archie's record was better.

Brownell is another cautionary tale about hiring the shiny new mid major coach. He won 20 or more games 5 straight years between UNC Wilmington and Wright State, but got to Clemson and has been up and down.

Contrary to the opinion of some, IU does not recruit itself. Archie proved that. If he can't win regularly in the ACC with lesser talent, and he can't recruit high end talent, he will get no traction.

Some of you won't be happy until you're pissing on the smoldering rubble of Assembly Hall.

I'd talk to Brownell. Clemson is probably the toughest bball coaching job in the ACC. They are all fball all the time, and they are a bottom quarter conference program. No idea on their NIL and overall budget, but I can guess both are bottom 2-3 in conference. And, have you been to Clemson? Not easy to get to and it's in the sticks. It would feel like Deliverance to kids from major cities.

Did you know that Press Maravich was coach there, and that's likely where Pete would've ended up, but Press ended up being hired as an Asst at NC State to replace Everett Case. Wasn't the ACC then, but an Asst at NC St was a better gig than coaching Clemson. If you're a bball fan and haven't read Pistol, you're missing a good read! Ask for it for Xmas. Also, "Getting Open" about Bill Garrett at IU. Two great Xmas list reads for an IU bball fan, or really any bball fan.

 

[frikkenfrakken]

IU recruits itself pretty well. Archie got a fairly steady stream of highly ranked players pre-NIL when IU didn’t pay much under the table. That said those players didn’t work out and he wasn’t a good coach, but technically the incoming talent was decent.

With our NIL now, IU is one of the easier places to recruit to. But, of course, the coach and staff still have to close…

It really doesn't. Archie got 3 five stars (Langford, Jackson Davis, Lander) in his 4 years. Langford was a shooting guard who couldn't shoot and Jackson-Davis was a borderline 5 star who turned out great. Lander was clearly misevaluated. Romeo and TJD never played together. The rest were 4-star hit or miss types with obvious flaws who didn't play well here or in their next stop after they left..

Miller struck out on a bunch of higher profile kids. He probably thought IU would recruit itself, and instead he got kids like Jake Forrester and Jerome Hunter. Not good enough, even though we all hoped they were.

 

[frikkenfrakken]

I'd talk to Brownell. Clemson is probably the toughest bball coaching job in the ACC. They are all fball all the time, and they are a bottom quarter conference program. No idea on their NIL and overall budget, but I can guess both are bottom 2-3 in conference. And, have you been to Clemson? Not easy to get to and it's in the sticks. It would feel like Deliverance to kids from major cities.

Did you know that Press Maravich was coach there, and that's likely where Pete would've ended up, but Press ended up being hired as an Asst at NC State to replace Everett Case. Wasn't the ACC then, but an Asst at NC St was a better gig than coaching Clemson. If you're a bball fan and haven't read Pistol, you're missing a good read! Ask for it for Xmas. Also, "Getting Open" about Bill Garrett at IU. Two great Xmas list reads for an IU bball fan, or really any bball fan.

I watched the movie version of Pistol when I was a kid. Good movie.

My wife has already bought all my Christmas presents. Knowing her, she has had them since June. Heh.

 

[CriticArisen]

I'd talk to Brownell. Clemson is probably the toughest bball coaching job in the ACC. They are all fball all the time, and they are a bottom quarter conference program. No idea on their NIL and overall budget, but I can guess both are bottom 2-3 in conference. And, have you been to Clemson? Not easy to get to and it's in the sticks. It would feel like Deliverance to kids from major cities.

Did you know that Press Maravich was coach there, and that's likely where Pete would've ended

I didn’t know that about Press. My knowledge of him starts at LSU and more importantly as Petes father.

I read that Pete was back at LSU after an illness. The team doc asked -How you feeling Pete. He answered-Never felt better Doc and just then dropped dead. I use this to remind myself that the future holds few guarantees and so you never know.

 

[Tammany Hall]

It really doesn't. Archie got 3 five stars (Langford, Jackson Davis, Lander) in his 4 years. Langford was a shooting guard who couldn't shoot and Jackson-Davis was a borderline 5 star who turned out great. Lander was clearly misevaluated. Romeo and TJD never played together. The rest were 4-star hit or miss types with obvious flaws who didn't play well here or in their next stop after they left..

Miller struck out on a bunch of higher profile kids. He probably thought IU would recruit itself, and instead he got kids like Jake Forrester and Jerome Hunter. Not good enough, even though we all hoped they were.

That's pretty good for a not so good coach without much personality and very little ability to pay players. Almost one five star per year and several four stars should be enough to be good... for a good coach. I'm not disputing poor evaluations, getting the wrong players, and not coaching well.

Now we've got a lot of payroll available for players. Minus the bad coaches, IU is a pretty great place to play basketball. Get paid, nice facilities, pretty good exposure, fan support, god on campus, a town most people like...

Whatever, I guess I just see it differently.

 

[kkott]

I didn’t know that about Press. My knowledge of him starts at LSU and more importantly as Petes father.

I read that Pete was back at LSU after an illness. The team doc asked -How you feeling Pete. He answered-Never felt better Doc and just then dropped dead. I use this to remind myself that the future holds few guarantees and so you never know.

Pete died in a pickup game in CA, I believe.

But, he was still like 41 yo. No less a reminder that you can go anytime and tomorrow is not guaranteed!

 

[steelyvan]

IIRC, an undiagnosed heart condition.

 

[IUfan1957]

Woodson isn’t going anywhere.

Not until Buckner is ousted.