Oh Thad wanted it. But keeping Davis another year because Marco was coming was more important at the time.
5 coaches to keep on the radar
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Brad Brownell Clemson from Evansville Indiana 56 years old 22 years coaching 438-275 .614 took 3 diffrent teams to tournament took Clemson to final four last year already 7-1 this year.
You wanna hire a guy who has been in the ACC 14 years and is 128-126 in the league? What results are you expecting? Woodson could probably do that.
Please don’t post videos of smart well coached basketball teams on this board. Have some compassion for other members.
That’s what F***** Archie right from the jump. IN job he two parts. Placating to our fans, and winning. Couldn’t do either, but really couldn’t be personable.
I also agree that allowing Dolson to do his job will result in the best choice (minimum risk). That’s not so easy at IU.
He has taken Clemson to the final four. Woodson could only dream what a final four is. He also has built three programs from the bottom up and taken all 3 to the tournament.
Better than Woodson, without question. There are probably 30 other candidates better than Brownell though.
And you would want Brownell gone after rhe seasons he has had at Clemson on different years. Just sayin?
I do not see where he took a team to the FF. He is an average coach in the ACC with a .500 win / loss percentage in league play and .600 +/- overall. Not the profile or upside we want in our next coach - IMO. Weird that he would be a candidate anyone would pound the table over - becasue he is from Indiana? He is probably not a bad guy and is a good coach - he has proven that much. But 17-16, 23-11 and 24-12 the last 3 season is Woodson level stuff. In 14 years he has finished no higher than tied for third in the ACC and he did that one time. He has made 4 NCAA tournaments in 14 years at Clemson. What would be expect at IU?
I just want to win. Win ugly? Fine with me. Just win. Recruits that fit the system will come and win. I would kill for the last 20+ years Wisconsin has had in basketball versus IU. Sad to say. Very sad.
Do I want to be Wisconsin? Not really, but I would swapped records and teams with them over that past 20 years hands down.
Do I want to be Wisconsin? Not really, but I would swapped records and teams with them over that past 20 years hands down.
His last 4 years he is 72-40 again at Clemson not Indiana where he would have NIL and alot better players.
He is worth keeping an eye on 100%. He actually just lost to Drake and McCollum. One game, but that would have been interesting to watch.
I don't think he would ever have a bad season at Indiana. The talent he would have at Indiana plus winning at three different places has me sold. Now would I rather have Bruce Pearl or Chris Beard yes but he is in the next tier.
Let's circle back when Woodson is gone. It will be fun to debate then.
I don't know about 30 you could argue 20 but besides Pearl or Beard we have to be reasonable that the next coach is in that mix of a Brownell type or Porter Moser type has won with no talent and has did at mutiple places. Archie did it at one place my criteria I want a guy who has did it at mutiple places. Also personality matters you have get Indiana.
Ben McCollum
He's a young, highly regarded, genius that checks all of the boxes.
He's a young, highly regarded, genius that checks all of the boxes.
He's not the glamour hire that everyone would like to see but is very good at the X and O's and would be a stabilizer for 10-12 years
Plays a very fun style too. They win games by putting up points. I love watching their games online and Jim is a big time winner and program builder. Him and Josh Schertz have been very successful on the D2 level. These are the type of coaches IU fans should be clamoring for.
His start was rough, when his wife in an interview said they were OSU football fans. If that interview wasn't the day of his hiring, it was within days after.
Agreed, why not? Look at he and McCollum. These are the exact types of coaches we should be looking at, as much as anyone. The thought of accomplished, tactical genius like coaches, like these, using IU's History and NIL machine... its very exciting to think about. Especially when compared to what we've been forced to endure the last decade or so.
A program stabilizer? That is what we want? Mediocrity for another 10-12 years? Stabilizer at IU is winning big. That is the only thing that stabilizes the program.
Maybe someday we'll do this and we will be freed from the pain of Archie and Woody ball.
I don't get the stabilizer angle. I've heard that said about Woody too and I don't really follow -- in his case he has destabilized things.
In reality, Top-5 NIL is a stabilizer. Anyone can come here and afford elite players. Let's find a coach who will be a long-term fit and solution.
We're due for a taste of the old days...I'd say.Maybe someday we'll do this and we will be freed from the pain of Archie and Woody ball.
2002-2003 NCAA champ game run
2007-8 Sampson lands Gordon we have one of the best teams in the nation, until...
2011 Wat Shot
2012 Zeller/Dipo #1
2016 B10 Champs
We had been getting elite level stuff every 4-5 years. Lets just say Covid stole the 2020-2021 Elite happenings that we were due. 2024-2026 ish, we should have something. I'm saying Woody gets let go, hire McCollum or the older D2 fella, and win the B10 and/or Final Four next year.
Maybe better stated “overdue” for success
look at the programs that have broken thru to a FF in recent years:
NC State, PU, Florida Atlantic, San Diego State,Texas Tech, South Carolina, Houston, Bama, Loyola
I wouldn’t really care what we averaged, as long as we average giving up fewer points than we score. I don’t care of IU has a flashy style, or up-tempo style or anything else. A consistently winning style would be pretty damn cool to watch. More specifically, consistently winning style vs non-cupcake opponents.
I guess I'm an oddball, but I don't care at all about style, I care about wins. People complain about how WI or UVA played, but I always thought if I was a fan of that program, I'd have no problem cheering for winning bball, even if it was slow, deliberate and focused on D. Of course, I always enjoy a 1-0 baseball game that's a pitcher's dual too. I can see the logic in thinking we'd get higher level recruits playing a more open freewheeling style, but I think ultimately if you win, players will come and fans will cheer. Plus, I think the bigger issue is do you put guys in the league and UVA has done that reasonably well with the level of recruits they get, despite their style.
I think winning would probably change my mind on this, for the most part. But as I sit here today, I would not be nearly as excited to watch a Tony Bennett style team as I would a more up tempo team. Virginia did break through and won a natty, but the law of averages says teams that play like Virginia, usually have a ceiling on how far they go. When you shorten the game, lower the possessions, you're MUCH more susceptible to being upset by lesser teams. The flip side is it can allow you to play with more talented teams. And you're "floor" can be much higher. But outside that Natty year, Virginia didn't do much of anything in March. Wisconsin has rarely ever done anything, in March. Using the two most prominent teams that play that had played that general pace and style. Its a great style to build a consistent winner, a program that perennially competes for conference championships. But I just think a school like IU should value those things AND value being elite and competitive nationally. We ARE different than most of the rest of the B10 schools. We still have national pull, we have top 5 NIL resources.
There are so many successful coaches out there, I'd strongly prefer IU include playing style in their next search criteria, and that style is more of an even balance to up tempo style. Not Loyola Marymount stuff, not 40 minutes of hell stuff, but aggressive, open offense, 3 point shooting, lots of ball movement, etc... I think that helps MAXIMIZE what IU basketball can become.
I think the results UVA got for the conference they were in, and the "level" of their program, were pretty remarkable. They competed with Duke and UNC at the top of the conference almost every year. Not even looking, but I'll bet UVA's ACC record compares very favorably with either during Bennett's tenure and wouldn't surprise me at all to find he won more conference games than either during his tenure. Yes, you could say they hadn't won the "big one" right up until he did. Not very different to what PU has done, except (imo) they didn't do it on the back of 1 phenomenal talent.
Ehhh...and despite that, outside the 2 year stretch he had Guy and Hunter...despite being competitive with those teams at the top, no one ever really paid any attention to them. Because they were not a threat nationally. Duke, UNC, etc... were.
I KNOW its been forever since IU was consistently relevant nationally...but I want Kansas, UConn, Jay Wright Villanova levels of success.
To paraphrase the great Curt Cignetti... "I don't want IU basketball to put self imposed limitations on their program." And I think that Bennett/Ryan Style, while likely a huge upgrade over what we've seen at IU in the last 20+ years (with the right coach implementing it), its still putting a ceiling on what the program could be.
I think you are right about his conference record of recent years. I do think overall, the ACC has been down for the most part facilitating Virginia. But there was a significant % of Virginia fans that did not like the slow down game.
