In a perfect world (one where Sudfeld doesn't get hurt, and our defense plays to its max ability) what do you see as a realistic W-L record for our 2015 Hoosiers?
In a perfect world we have a slim chance at 8 wins, but we don't live in a perfect world and this is IU football where everything that can go wrong, WILL go wrong. We have enough for 6 wins I think barring catastrophic injuries again. 7 wins is also doable, but I'd say it's less than a 25% chance of happening. I'm going with 6 and 6 and it'll take a win over the Boilies to get that 6th win and bowl bid.In a perfect world (one where Sudfeld doesn't get hurt, and our defense plays to its max ability) what do you see as a realistic W-L record for our 2015 Hoosiers?
I'm sticking with the 3-9 season I predicted months ago. I see us limping into BIG conference play at 2-2 and we'll pick up 1 win from there on out.
I've not seen anything from the staff to suggest that they will pull out close games. There are way too many examples of this squad bumbling their way to a loss in games where they have a chance. Unless the defense improves by leaps and bounds, it's going to be a loooooong season.
How exactly are we going to be worse than last year? Even with Tevin, we could barely score because had no passing threat. We get Sud back, still have good RBs and a very nice OL, and the defense did improve last year (although they still have a long way to go). This just seems a tad over the top.I'm sticking with the 3-9 season I predicted months ago. I see us limping into BIG conference play at 2-2 and we'll pick up 1 win from there on out.
I've not seen anything from the staff to suggest that they will pull out close games. There are way too many examples of this squad bumbling their way to a loss in games where they have a chance. Unless the defense improves by leaps and bounds, it's going to be a loooooong season.
Counselor is spot on.......although I do like MTIOTF's scenario. Yeah I'd pay to see DD get hoisted up the flag pole by his scarlet and gray short hair.That's a tough request. "In a perfect world" combined with "realistic?" LOL. I'd hazard a guess that, even if we do everything right, we lose to OSU and MSU. Between UM, PSU, Iowa and Maryland, we lose two more, even if we play to potential. Add one more random bad luck loss (probably Rutgers). I'd say 7-5 overall.
eMake no mistake: I am as big an IU football fan as there is.
I drove back from Bowling Green last year vowing to never go to another IU road game in my life, only to watch them pull a stunner the next weekend at Mizzou.....and here I sit contemplating yet again whether I should make a 10 hour drive to watch them play at Wake Forest this season. Call me a masochist.
However, there has been a disturbing trend with this group to lose more than their share of games that could flip either way. Minnesota at home 2 years ago - snatching defeat from a potential victory. Navy at home and we looked completely unprepared. Bowling Green last year. We were fully healthy against Maryland at home and looked like we didn't belong on the same field.
I don't count Purdue last year because that team was horrid.
Our defense has to make huge strides this year if we are going to hope for anything above 3 wins because our offense is going struggle. No proven WRs and a new RB.
Make no mistake: I am as big an IU football fan as there is.
I drove back from Bowling Green last year vowing to never go to another IU road game in my life, only to watch them pull a stunner the next weekend at Mizzou.....and here I sit contemplating yet again whether I should make a 10 hour drive to watch them play at Wake Forest this season. Call me a masochist.
However, there has been a disturbing trend with this group to lose more than their share of games that could flip either way. Minnesota at home 2 years ago - snatching defeat from a potential victory. Navy at home and we looked completely unprepared. Bowling Green last year. We were fully healthy against Maryland at home and looked like we didn't belong on the same field.
I don't count Purdue last year because that team was horrid.
Our defense has to make huge strides this year if we are going to hope for anything above 3 wins because our offense is going struggle. No proven WRs and a new RB.
offence going to struggle. are you serious? if we can keep nate upright, and hold our opponents to less than 30 a game, we have a good shot at 8 winsMake no mistake: I am as big an IU football fan as there is.
I drove back from Bowling Green last year vowing to never go to another IU road game in my life, only to watch them pull a stunner the next weekend at Mizzou.....and here I sit contemplating yet again whether I should make a 10 hour drive to watch them play at Wake Forest this season. Call me a masochist.
However, there has been a disturbing trend with this group to lose more than their share of games that could flip either way. Minnesota at home 2 years ago - snatching defeat from a potential victory. Navy at home and we looked completely unprepared. Bowling Green last year. We were fully healthy against Maryland at home and looked like we didn't belong on the same field.
I don't count Purdue last year because that team was horrid.
Our defense has to make huge strides this year if we are going to hope for anything above 3 wins because our offense is going struggle. No proven WRs and a new RB.
Make no mistake: I am as big an IU football fan as there is.
I drove back from Bowling Green last year vowing to never go to another IU road game in my life, only to watch them pull a stunner the next weekend at Mizzou.....and here I sit contemplating yet again whether I should make a 10 hour drive to watch them play at Wake Forest this season. Call me a masochist.
However, there has been a disturbing trend with this group to lose more than their share of games that could flip either way. Minnesota at home 2 years ago - snatching defeat from a potential victory. Navy at home and we looked completely unprepared. Bowling Green last year. We were fully healthy against Maryland at home and looked like we didn't belong on the same field.
I don't count Purdue last year because that team was horrid.
Our defense has to make huge strides this year if we are going to hope for anything above 3 wins because our offense is going struggle. No proven WRs and a new RB.
I wasn't aware that Jordan Howard and Devine Redding have never played a down of college football.Make no mistake: I am as big an IU football fan as there is.
I drove back from Bowling Green last year vowing to never go to another IU road game in my life, only to watch them pull a stunner the next weekend at Mizzou.....and here I sit contemplating yet again whether I should make a 10 hour drive to watch them play at Wake Forest this season. Call me a masochist.
However, there has been a disturbing trend with this group to lose more than their share of games that could flip either way. Minnesota at home 2 years ago - snatching defeat from a potential victory. Navy at home and we looked completely unprepared. Bowling Green last year. We were fully healthy against Maryland at home and looked like we didn't belong on the same field.
I don't count Purdue last year because that team was horrid.
Our defense has to make huge strides this year if we are going to hope for anything above 3 wins because our offense is going struggle. No proven WRs and a new RB.
Big TenI would love to see a winning season, but Las Vegas will say the odds are fairly high against it happening! If we win all 4 non-C games, we should be able to pull out a few more W's and go bowling and the season will be a success. If we lose to either Western Ky or Wake, it will be another bad year and KW's attempt to turn the program around will have taken another big hit.
6-6. A somewhat better defense, an inconsistent offense, and average special teams, make a winning record difficult, as does looking up at five of the six other teams in the Big Ten East.In a perfect world (one where Sudfeld doesn't get hurt, and our defense plays to its max ability) what do you see as a realistic W-L record for our 2015 Hoosiers?
I wasn't aware that Jordan Howard and Devine Redding have never played a down of college football.
7 - 5. Suds stays healthy and the defense improves and keeps us in several games no one thinks we should be in. We win some of them but drop a few surprises. It is a very fun season to watch and we all have a great time rooting the Hoosiers on.In a perfect world (one where Sudfeld doesn't get hurt, and our defense plays to its max ability) what do you see as a realistic W-L record for our 2015 Hoosiers?
They will be competent but if they aren't able to combine for Coleman-like stats, we are going to have some quick 3-and-outs. Who are the WRs that are going to bail us out like Latimer, Wynn or Hughes?
This is not the fast moving offense we saw in 2013. We also don't have the physicality to grind on teams like a Wisconsin. As others have pointed out, if Suds goes down this team is toast. Wilson has all his chips on the table this year.
The offense can be average. The defense needs to approach that level.
IU doesn't have the kind of line that would enable them to have a ball control, run oriented offense. Not physical enough, with the exception of Feeney, who is the best guy up front.Perfect world, 10-2. Realistic (Optimistic) 8-4. But I like MyTeamisontheFloors response. They are all winnable. How many people thought IU would beat Mizzou, and that the Hoosiers would take O$U deep into the 3rd quarter at the Horseshoe?
Why the Hoosiers will be better than the 3-9 to 6-6 crowd thinks. Better talent, more depth, and more experience. IU is deeper and more talented at every position group than last year with the exception of running back and defensive back (some would also say the receivers, but I would not agree). The defense also has one more year to adjust to the 3-4.
Defense-
I don't think anyone doubts that our DL and LB will be better and have greater depth. I think our run defense goes up several notches. The secondary lost all of its starters, but many of the returning DBs got a lot of playing time last year, particularly in the second half of the season. Dutra will anchor this unit, playing in every game last season with several starts. Fant, Clark and Fields all have the talent and significant game experience from last season. Look for Padmore to step up this season, and Ben Bach getting playing time (He was in the "starting" secondary for the spring game.) Almost all these guys are RS sophomores, with game experience and should be ready by B10 play. With the exception of Allen these guys are not replacing "All-Americans", I think by mid-season they will be better than recent units.
Offense-
The OL is deep, talented and experienced (more than even last season). IU has more experience and depth at QB, with Sudfeld returning and Diamont having a half a season of starts all against B10 teams. The receivers are talented Booth, Hawkins and Cobb were some of the most sought after talents out of high school, and Harris has shown flashes of greatness. Ricky Jones has shown good potential. I also think Fuchs will become a prime target at TE or outside. These guys underperformed last year because no one could get them the ball consistently. Our passing yards in the first three games after Sudfeld went out were 11, 24 and 68. The Hoosiers only threw the ball 8 times against Michigan. The receivers did drop some balls, and appeared at times to have issues with routes, but the passing game has two sides the throw and the catch. Good QBs can make receivers good and good receivers can help make a QB. IU was inexperienced at both last year. The passing game was not good enough for the receivers to gain confidence in the system and themselves. As for running backs, Coleman will be missed- big time. However, there is a great deal of talent in the wings. Howard and Redding have game experience and have huge upsides. Mister could be a breakout player. If Howard comes on and becomes the starting RB, you will see a different IU scheme. For those of you that have been waiting for a run oriented, ball control offense this might be your season. Looking at film on Howard, he gets better as the game goes on, and he is a every down, 30 carries a game runner who appears to always get positive yards. This style and talent combined with Redding or Mister as a breakaway runner, could really open up the IU playbook and make the Hoosiers very difficult for defenses to prepare for and stop.
The schedule this season also helps the Hoosiers, starting with three home games before going to Wake. WKU is going to be a real challenge. If they win that game, I think this is going to be the Hoosiers break out year.
Perfect world, 10-2. Realistic (Optimistic) 8-4. But I like MyTeamisontheFloors response. They are all winnable. How many people thought IU would beat Mizzou, and that the Hoosiers would take O$U deep into the 3rd quarter at the Horseshoe?
Why the Hoosiers will be better than the 3-9 to 6-6 crowd thinks. Better talent, more depth, and more experience. IU is deeper and more talented at every position group than last year with the exception of running back and defensive back (some would also say the receivers, but I would not agree). The defense also has one more year to adjust to the 3-4.
Defense-
I don't think anyone doubts that our DL and LB will be better and have greater depth. I think our run defense goes up several notches. The secondary lost all of its starters, but many of the returning DBs got a lot of playing time last year, particularly in the second half of the season. Dutra will anchor this unit, playing in every game last season with several starts. Fant, Clark and Fields all have the talent and significant game experience from last season. Look for Padmore to step up this season, and Ben Bach getting playing time (He was in the "starting" secondary for the spring game.) Almost all these guys are RS sophomores, with game experience and should be ready by B10 play. With the exception of Allen these guys are not replacing "All-Americans", I think by mid-season they will be better than recent units.
Offense-
The OL is deep, talented and experienced (more than even last season). IU has more experience and depth at QB, with Sudfeld returning and Diamont having a half a season of starts all against B10 teams. The receivers are talented Booth, Hawkins and Cobb were some of the most sought after talents out of high school, and Harris has shown flashes of greatness. Ricky Jones has shown good potential. I also think Fuchs will become a prime target at TE or outside. These guys underperformed last year because no one could get them the ball consistently. Our passing yards in the first three games after Sudfeld went out were 11, 24 and 68. The Hoosiers only threw the ball 8 times against Michigan. The receivers did drop some balls, and appeared at times to have issues with routes, but the passing game has two sides the throw and the catch. Good QBs can make receivers good and good receivers can help make a QB. IU was inexperienced at both last year. The passing game was not good enough for the receivers to gain confidence in the system and themselves. As for running backs, Coleman will be missed- big time. However, there is a great deal of talent in the wings. Howard and Redding have game experience and have huge upsides. Mister could be a breakout player. If Howard comes on and becomes the starting RB, you will see a different IU scheme. For those of you that have been waiting for a run oriented, ball control offense this might be your season. Looking at film on Howard, he gets better as the game goes on, and he is a every down, 30 carries a game runner who appears to always get positive yards. This style and talent combined with Redding or Mister as a breakaway runner, could really open up the IU playbook and make the Hoosiers very difficult for defenses to prepare for and stop.
The schedule this season also helps the Hoosiers, starting with three home games before going to Wake. WKU is going to be a real challenge. If they win that game, I think this is going to be the Hoosiers break out year.
Don't think Hawkins had any B1G offers, BUT , he was top 50 at his position and signed with Florida out of high school. His other offers included Alabama, Auburn, Clemson, Georgia, Ole Miss, Miss St, North Carolina, Tennessee and Southern Cal. Remains to be seen what he will do for us, but clearly he impressed some pretty good schoolsHey sunshine pumper... You do realize once IU took the lead late in the 3rd quarter, they went on a 28-0 run? Maybe they played their worst game of the year on a crappy Saturday a week before they played their rival?
IU's secondary play alone should give pause for predicted anything over 7 wins. Sud may stay healthy all year but this LB and secondary gives me real concerns.
Who Else recruited Hawkins And Cobb in the B1G besides Illinios? And how can you say with a straight face that we have more depth and experience at QB than anyone? Lol... Ummm... B. Miller, JT Barrett or C. Jones at OSU or Even McEvoy and Stave at Wisconsin? I could go on but man... You went full retard here bud.
-180??? Why not just make it 5.5?Big Ten
Illinois: 3.5 (over -140, under +100)
Indiana: 6 (over +140, under -180)
Iowa: 7.5 (over -115, under -125)
Maryland: 4.5 (over -120, under -120)
Michigan: 7.5 (over -140, under +100)
Michigan State: 9.5 (over -140, under +100)
Minnesota: 5.5 (over -150, under +110)
Nebraska: 8 (over -120, under -120)
Northwestern: 6.5 (over +110, under -150)
Ohio State: 11 (over +100, under -140)
Penn State: 7.5 (over -135, under +105)
Purdue: 4 (over -145, under +105)
Rutgers: 5 (over -145, under +105)
Wisconsin: 10 (over +160, under -210)
http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaaf/eye...mes-releases-2015-college-football-win-totals
Hey sunshine pumper... You do realize once IU took the lead late in the 3rd quarter, they went on a 28-0 run? Maybe they played their worst game of the year on a crappy Saturday a week before they played their rival?
IU's secondary play alone should give pause for predicted anything over 7 wins. Sud may stay healthy all year but this LB and secondary gives me real concerns.
Who Else recruited Hawkins And Cobb in the B1G besides Illinios? And how can you say with a straight face that we have more depth and experience at QB than anyone? Lol... Ummm... B. Miller, JT Barrett or C. Jones at OSU or Even McEvoy and Stave at Wisconsin? I could go on but man... You went full retard here bud.
IU's secondary play alone should give pause for predicted anything over 7 wins. Sud may stay healthy all year but this LB and secondary gives me real concerns....
You lost me when you said the LB crew gives you pause. I think that is the strength of the team this year. Agree on secondary, though.Hey sunshine pumper... You do realize once IU took the lead late in the 3rd quarter, they went on a 28-0 run? Maybe they played their worst game of the year on a crappy Saturday a week before they played their rival?
IU's secondary play alone should give pause for predicted anything over 7 wins. Sud may stay healthy all year but this LB and secondary gives me real concerns.
Who Else recruited Hawkins And Cobb in the B1G besides Illinios? And how can you say with a straight face that we have more depth and experience at QB than anyone? Lol... Ummm... B. Miller, JT Barrett or C. Jones at OSU or Even McEvoy and Stave at Wisconsin? I could go on but man... You went full retard here bud.
Hawkins wasn't good enough to get on the field as a true freshman and hasn't played a down since high school. He may be a great player someday, but that remains to be seen, I think. Cobb was very lightly recruited and was viewed by most other programs as a safety rather than a receiver.Don't think Hawkins had any B1G offers, BUT , he was top 50 at his position and signed with Florida out of high school. His other offers included Alabama, Auburn, Clemson, Georgia, Ole Miss, Miss St, North Carolina, Tennessee and Southern Cal. Remains to be seen what he will do for us, but clearly he impressed some pretty good schools
In a perfect world (one where Sudfeld doesn't get hurt, and our defense plays to its max ability) what do you see as a realistic W-L record for our 2015 Hoosiers?
IU will go 6-6 and then get win #7 in their bowl game.In a perfect world (one where Sudfeld doesn't get hurt, and our defense plays to its max ability) what do you see as a realistic W-L record for our 2015 Hoosiers?
I believe I said, "it remains to be seen what he will do for us", however , my response was to a post that insinuated that Hawkins had not been heavily recruited, which was not true. Furthermore, not getting on the field at UF as a freshmen is certainly not a sin. I have no idea how good our receiving core will be this year, but there are certainly more athletes to choose from, I look for a much improved group. How much is the real question that won't be answered until the games begin.Hawkins wasn't good enough to get on the field as a true freshman and hasn't played a down since high school. He may be a great player someday, but that remains to be seen, I think. Cobb was very lightly recruited and was viewed by most other programs as a safety rather than a receiver.
In a perfect world we have a slim chance at 8 wins, but we don't live in a perfect world and this is IU football where everything that can go wrong, WILL go wrong. We have enough for 6 wins I think barring catastrophic injuries again. 7 wins is also doable, but I'd say it's less than a 25% chance of happening. I'm going with 6 and 6 and it'll take a win over the Boilies to get that 6th win and bowl bid.
6-6. Wins over Southern Illinois, Florida International, Western Kentucky and Wakeep Forest. Then 2 B1G wins over Purdue and Penn State. There are winnable games against Rutgers and Iowa. Or even Michigan. But I don't see that happening.In a perfect world (one where Sudfeld doesn't get hurt, and our defense plays to its max ability) what do you see as a realistic W-L record for our 2015 Hoosiers?