What to make of the Durham filing?

[IU_Hickory]

I'm not sure that's really true. I know it was a big story, but the exit polls suggested that cross-party voting was at historically normal levels in both 2016 and 2020.

It seems that each party is at about 40% of the voters with the final 20% actually up for grabs. I have read about counties that Obama won going to trump but they didn't make clear whether it was actually people that voted for Obama went to trump or just a matter of the gop having better turnout with their voters and the dem voters staying home over not liking the options.

Of course, you see the people that get interviewed saying they voted Obama and then trump but hard to know how prevalent that is in the big picture. Seems an odd flip

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

My brother was one who said he wanted someone to (figuratively) "blow things up" in 2016, and additionally there was no way he'd vote for Hillary Clinton. He's not crazy, he just hates all things government. I've made it a point to not discuss politics with him since. I have no idea how he voted in 2020.

As an actual Republican, I want our government to be limited to doing what necessary for it to do but be effective in what it does. There are clearly things that must be done by our government, and I'd like it to do those things efficiently. Voting to "blow things up" or shake government up isn't something that appeals to me.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

It seems that each party is at about 40% of the voters with the final 20% actually up for grabs. I have read about counties that Obama won going to trump but they didn't make clear whether it was actually people that voted for Obama went to trump or just a matter of the gop having better turnout with their voters and the dem voters staying home over not liking the options.

Of course, you see the people that get interviewed saying they voted Obama and then trump but hard to know how prevalent that is in the big picture. Seems an odd flip

I have a cousin who went from a solid Obama supporter and voter to solid Trump voter and supporter. In both cases we were on the opposite side from each other! I don't get it either, but it definitely happened.

 

[Indianaftw]

Trumpsters claim they’re criticizing Trump when they mention his “mean tweets” or call him an a$$hole. That’s not actually criticism because they like that he’s an a$$hole and mean tweets.

HRC and any other Democrat that claims she/he didn’t lose an election they obviously lost is also lying. Trump obviously lost in an election that was as fair and legitimate as any. Not recognizing that fact and believing Trump’s blatant lie to the contrary just might make you a cult member.

Cmon man really. Why do you think the hill had such an epic meltdown on election night??? The voting machine algorithm was not turned up enough in her favor. The election was rigged in her favor and when Trump pulled away it was a wtf meltdown moment. The problem was the dems didn't have a backup plan.

Fast forward to 2020...uh ohhh he's winning, we f#cked up the algorithm again, on to plan b. Stop f*cking counting in the close states and roll in the fake ballots. Unplug the voting machines from the interwebs it's too late. Kick the reds out of the building now, cover the windows, and pull out the fake votes from the back and lock the doors.

Sudden spike...ohhh those were all mail in ballots, 100 percent mail in ballots for Biden dont ya know, from legit voters too, and they only voted once. And we're all alive and legal votes too.

Yet here we are with the 2 most stupid, corrupt, idiots in office in our history while we fall apart before our eyes. Mission accomplished.

Now Russia and China start attacking smaller nations and gain power while we f$ck ourselves in the a$$ and let ALL this corruption blindly destroy us.

Thanks..

 

[UncleMark]

Cmon man really. Why do you think the hill had such an epic meltdown on election night??? The voting machine algorithm was not turned up enough in her favor. The election was rigged in her favor and when Trump pulled away it was a wtf meltdown moment. The problem was the dems didn't have a backup plan.

Fast forward to 2020...uh ohhh he's winning, we f#cked up the algorithm again, on to plan b. Stop f*cking counting in the close states and roll in the fake ballots. Unplug the voting machines from the interwebs it's too late. Kick the reds out of the building now, cover the windows, and pull out the fake votes from the back and lock the doors.

Sudden spike...ohhh those were all mail in ballots, 100 percent mail in ballots for Biden dont ya know, from legit voters too, and they only voted once. And we're all alive and legal votes too.

Yet here we are with the 2 most stupid, corrupt, idiots in office in our history while we fall apart before our eyes. Mission accomplished.

Now Russia and China start attacking smaller nations and gain power while we f$ck ourselves in the a$$ and let ALL this corruption blindly destroy us.

Thanks..

LOL. The Algorithm!!!

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Cmon man really. Why do you think the hill had such an epic meltdown on election night??? The voting machine algorithm was not turned up enough in her favor. The election was rigged in her favor and when Trump pulled away it was a wtf meltdown moment. The problem was the dems didn't have a backup plan.

Fast forward to 2020...uh ohhh he's winning, we f#cked up the algorithm again, on to plan b. Stop f*cking counting in the close states and roll in the fake ballots. Unplug the voting machines from the interwebs it's too late. Kick the reds out of the building now, cover the windows, and pull out the fake votes from the back and lock the doors.

Sudden spike...ohhh those were all mail in ballots, 100 percent mail in ballots for Biden dont ya know, from legit voters too, and they only voted once. And we're all alive and legal votes too.

Yet here we are with the 2 most stupid, corrupt, idiots in office in our history while we fall apart before our eyes. Mission accomplished.

Now Russia and China start attacking smaller nations and gain power while we f$ck ourselves in the a$$ and let ALL this corruption blindly destroy us.

Thanks..

Another cult member speaks.

The election wasn't stolen, Trump lost it. Get over it. I'm a solid Republican and I didn't vote for him, and I know of a lot of other solid Republicans that couldn't vote for him either.

By the way, I've voted absentee since 1984. It's the best way to vote.

 

[Spartans9312]

Cmon man really. Why do you think the hill had such an epic meltdown on election night??? The voting machine algorithm was not turned up enough in her favor. The election was rigged in her favor and when Trump pulled away it was a wtf meltdown moment. The problem was the dems didn't have a backup plan.

Fast forward to 2020...uh ohhh he's winning, we f#cked up the algorithm again, on to plan b. Stop f*cking counting in the close states and roll in the fake ballots. Unplug the voting machines from the interwebs it's too late. Kick the reds out of the building now, cover the windows, and pull out the fake votes from the back and lock the doors.

Sudden spike...ohhh those were all mail in ballots, 100 percent mail in ballots for Biden dont ya know, from legit voters too, and they only voted once. And we're all alive and legal votes too.

Yet here we are with the 2 most stupid, corrupt, idiots in office in our history while we fall apart before our eyes. Mission accomplished.

Now Russia and China start attacking smaller nations and gain power while we f$ck ourselves in the a$$ and let ALL this corruption blindly destroy us.

Thanks..

What is this…?

 

[UncleMark]

What is this…?

Just need to twist the dials in the right direction and at the right time. Bingo! Your guy wins!

 

[Indianaftw]

I know it hurts all you peeps...hahaha. If u don't think it was rigged for the hill ur crazy. The meltdown from the media, the left, and hill was shock. Total shock. It was rigged then and 2020 again with a backup plan. It doesn't take rocket science to figure it out. You all get over it.

 

[Spartans9312]

Hey, the 1980s have called and want their foreign policy back.

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Obama, Trump and Biden have each made Romney’s Russia stance look better by the day

 

[Indianaftw]

Some of the comments are as good as the look on Manddows face the night Trump won. Lmao

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

What is this…?

It's what way too many Americans actually believe.

 

[Lucy01]

It's what way too many Americans actually believe.

Dumb

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Here's the actual filing:

USA v. Sussmann - Durham Filing - Motion On Potential Conflicts of Interest | PDF | Conflict Of Interest | Attorney–Client Privilege

This is a legal document in the case of USA v. Sussmann.

www.scribd.com

Here's the important takeaway for those who want to press the Fox News narrative: Fox has played up Kash Patel's claim that Durham accuses Clinton of paying a tech company to "infiltrate" Trump servers. However, this is simply not true. The word "infiltrate" doesn't even appear in the filing. Nor does any claim that anyone attempted to infiltrate Trump servers, whether on Clinton's behalf or otherwise. Patel simply lied on TV, and Fox and others are running with that lie.

The filing does not accuse anyone of infiltrating or otherwise doing anything to either Trump's private servers, or the servers of the Executive Office of the President. There was no hacking.

That said, it does make one accusation of shady tech magnate behavior that I would not advise - not saying it's criminal, but I'd steer clear. It suggests that the unnamed tech magnate's company had a special deal with the EOP to handle all of EOP's DNS resolution traffic, and that the DNS resolution data he was accessing was therefore "proprietary" and "non-public" (in a way that DNS resolution traffic would normally not be). In no reasonable world can that be considered "hacking," and I really doubt that there's any reasonable way to make that into a crime of any kind, but it's definitely a gray area I wouldn't want to be in, just in case.

@UncleMark Maybe you can shed some light on the implications of a dedicated arrangement for DNS resolution. Should the EOP have any expectation of privacy in this situation?

 

[Spartans9312]

It's what way too many Americans actually believe.

I’m in contact with a lot of people on a weekly basis. I’ve never heard anything like this post. I guess any would be too many but this is not mainline thought

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

I’m in contact with a lot of people on a weekly basis. I’ve never heard anything like this post. I guess any would be too many but this is not mainline thought

Yes, I thought it went without saying that "way too many" was a synonym for "more than zero."

I'm out and about in a relatively backwoods part of the state most of the week. I can tell you this kind of thinking is surprisingly common.

 

[DANC]

To be clear, Mark is correct that the FBI report did not actually claim the server was hacked. What it claimed was that someone logged into a staffer's account, and implied that it probably wasn't the staffer himself or herself, due to the IP addresses used to log in.

If you find out my password, you can access my email, but that doesn't mean you've hacked the Gmail server.

Read the second page of the actual FBI report.

Hillary R. Clinton Part 01

vault.fbi.gov

They couldn't determine anything else because of the FBI's "inability to access all mobile devices and computer components associated with Clinton's personal e-mail systems". Why? Because they had been destroyed.

No, nothing suspicious there.

 

[Spartans9312]

Yes, I thought it went without saying that "way too many" was a synonym for "more than zero."

I'm out and about in a relatively backwoods part of the state most of the week. I can tell you this kind of thinking is surprisingly common.

I’ve heard bits and pieces but nothing to this degree. Oh well..not much surprises me anymore

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Read the second page of the actual FBI report.

Hillary R. Clinton Part 01

vault.fbi.gov

They couldn't determine anything else because of the FBI's "inability to access all mobile devices and computer components associated with Clinton's personal e-mail systems". Why? Because they had been destroyed.

No, nothing suspicious there.

And that page means what, exactly? It doesn't say her server was hacked. Mark was correct.

 

[DANC]

Another good sign that someone is a cultist is repeatedly accusing a loyal Republican of being a Democrat.

LOL A "loyal' Republican who doesn't vote for Democrats?

Is Manchin a loyal Democrat? Is Sinema?

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

Cmon man really. Why do you think the hill had such an epic meltdown on election night??? The voting machine algorithm was not turned up enough in her favor. The election was rigged in her favor and when Trump pulled away it was a wtf meltdown moment. The problem was the dems didn't have a backup plan.

Fast forward to 2020...uh ohhh he's winning, we f#cked up the algorithm again, on to plan b. Stop f*cking counting in the close states and roll in the fake ballots. Unplug the voting machines from the interwebs it's too late. Kick the reds out of the building now, cover the windows, and pull out the fake votes from the back and lock the doors.

Sudden spike...ohhh those were all mail in ballots, 100 percent mail in ballots for Biden dont ya know, from legit voters too, and they only voted once. And we're all alive and legal votes too.

Yet here we are with the 2 most stupid, corrupt, idiots in office in our history while we fall apart before our eyes. Mission accomplished.

Now Russia and China start attacking smaller nations and gain power while we f$ck ourselves in the a$$ and let ALL this corruption blindly destroy us.

Thanks..

You just need to get off the internet...period.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

LOL A "loyal' Republican who doesn't vote for Democrats?

Is Manchin a loyal Democrat? Is Sinema?

I don't know, and I don't care. But I do know that Aloha is a loyal Republican. I mean, he's a conservative and an independent think who can come to his own conclusions first and foremost. He clearly isn't a lemming. But anyone who tries to paint him as some kind of Democrat is a fool. Believe me, if there were any chance of turning him into a Democrat, I would have accomplished that years ago.

 

[DANC]

I wish the term "hack" could be stricken from the lexicon. It started as a slang IT term and quickly was in widespread use for anything related to computers that made you go WTF? I remember my mom getting bogus charges on her credit card and telling everyone her bank had been "hacked".

Well, at least everyone understands 'hacked' as being something something hinky going on.

It's a good catch-all term - not everyone is a techie.

 

[DANC]

I’d bet tons of money that many of our loyal Trump Republicans didn’t vote for Romney or McCain. In fact I know several of them. They’re Trumpsters first Republicans second - or not at all.

I voted for both of them. But you think I'm a cult member.

You throw that term around for anyone who defends Trump at all.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Well, at least everyone understands 'hacked' as being something something hinky going on.

It's a good catch-all term - not everyone is a techie.

No, it's not a good catch-all term. Go back to the example I gave. If you figured out my password, and looked at my email, would you claim you hacked Google? No, you wouldn't. And that's the only thing the FBI said happened to Clinton's staffer. Someone accessed her email. Describing that as "hacking HRC's server" is disingenuous at the most charitable, and really just a blatant lie at the most accurate.

 

[DANC]

My brother was one who said he wanted someone to (figuratively) "blow things up" in 2016, and additionally there was no way he'd vote for Hillary Clinton. He's not crazy, he just hates all things government. I've made it a point to not discuss politics with him since. I have no idea how he voted in 2020.

Your brother must be the smart one in the family.

(that's a joke, son)

 

[DANC]

No, it's not a good catch-all term. Go back to the example I gave. If you figured out my password, and looked at my email, would you claim you hacked Google? No, you wouldn't. And that's the only thing the FBI said happened to Clinton's staffer. Someone accessed her email. Describing that as "hacking HRC's server" is disingenuous at the most charitable, and really just a blatant lie at the most accurate.

It's funny, you thinking you know anything about hacking or anything technical.

 

[NPT]

When a person can’t bring himself to criticize his leader for anything, that’s classic cult behavior. Sorry, but you exhibit that behavior constantly. Another symptom would be believing and repeating their leader’s blatantly false lies. One of many examples related to Trump is his lie that he lost due to massive voter fraud. It’s absurd on its face, but Trumpsters believe that lie. It’s clearly cultish behavior.

I have defended Trump at times and I’ve also criticized him. I can do both because I’m not a member of his cult.

That is the problem most people.... They defend/justify what their party does while crucifying someone in the opposite party does essentially the same thing.

I am not so sure that voter fraud didn't take place in the last election but I also wondered the same thing in 2016 when Trump won.

The people that defend Trump to the end are falling into the Democrats trap and that is to keep Trump out front making stupid statements. Of course, I'll still support Trump's policies a lot more than I do Biden's.

 

[DANC]

As an actual Republican, I want our government to be limited to doing what necessary for it to do but be effective in what it does. There are clearly things that must be done by our government, and I'd like it to do those things efficiently. Voting to "blow things up" or shake government up isn't something that appeals to me.

As an 'actual' Republican, many with your philosophy have 'gone along to get along', so that the country is now in the shape it's in. 2016 was only a reflection of the feeling that enough is enough. People who voted for Trump felt that the time to stop creeping Socialism had come.

Whether you like it or not, 2016 and the pandemic have awakened America to their shrinking personal liberty.

Your 'actual' Republicans are being left in the dust.

 

[aajohn2000]

I don't want to comment on the filing without reading it, but the Fox report doesn't really say much of anything about Clinton or Trump. It doesn't confirm that Trump was linked to a Russian bank, and it doesn't actually accuse anyone of hacking Trump. All it does is claim that the guy who is already indicted looked at DNS lookup data - or, rather, asked someone else to look at it for him - and that might be pretty solid evidence that his indictment for lying has solid grounding, but that's it.

Ask someone who understands networking (@UncleMark), and they will tell you that this hacking narrative is baloney. As is the leftist narrative floating around that the filing somehow confirms the Trump Tower-Alfa Bank connection. All it does is add to the evidence that Sussman was working on behalf of HRC (again, based on the Fox report).

I have not read the report. So, thank you for summarizing. It will be interesting to see where this goes.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

I have not read the report. So, thank you for summarizing. It will be interesting to see where this goes.

Keep reading, eventually I found the actual motion, read it, commented on it, and linked it so you could all read it yourselves (it's short).

 

[DANC]

LOL. The Algorithm!!!

Mark, you're the resident computer expert.

Explain to me why a vote counting machine has to have any software, other than to tabulate votes?

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

It's funny, you thinking you know anything about hacking or anything technical.

LOL. Every time I think you've hit bedrock stupid, you prove me wrong.

 

[DANC]

Obama, Trump and Biden have each made Romney’s Russia stance look better by the day

I personally think Romney would have made a great President, but he's too butt-hurt by Trump now. He's let his emotions get in the way of good sense. Voting to impeach Trump was jumping the shark for any future political ambitions for him.

 

[DANC]

And that page means what, exactly? It doesn't say her server was hacked. Mark was correct.

They couldn't determine anything further because the items were destroyed, as I said.

That, in itself, is a criminal activity, but hey - it's all good because, you know, the FBI can't prove it, so it's justified.

 

[IU_Hickory]

As an actual Republican, I want our government to be limited to doing what necessary for it to do but be effective in what it does. There are clearly things that must be done by our government, and I'd like it to do those things efficiently. Voting to "blow things up" or shake government up isn't something that appeals to me.

Govt being efficient is something I would hope we could all agree on wanting.

I have my doubts either side could come close to attaining that.

 

[DANC]

LOL. Every time I think you've hit bedrock stupid, you prove me wrong.

Sorry, I didn't realize you a computer expert.

Is there no end to your talents?

 

[DANC]

I don't know, and I don't care. But I do know that Aloha is a loyal Republican. I mean, he's a conservative and an independent think who can come to his own conclusions first and foremost. He clearly isn't a lemming. But anyone who tries to paint him as some kind of Democrat is a fool. Believe me, if there were any chance of turning him into a Democrat, I would have accomplished that years ago.

He's already admitted to having been a Democrat.

You're late to the party.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

They couldn't determine anything further because the items were destroyed, as I said.

That, in itself, is a criminal activity, but hey - it's all good because, you know, the FBI can't prove it, so it's justified.

When the Federalist Papers said that the FBI "CONFIRMED" (in all caps, IIRC) that HRC's server was hacked, it was a lie. The FBI did not CONFIRM that.

Mark calmly explained why it was a lie. You stupidly made fun of Mark for not realizing that the server was hacked, because you didn't understand what you were reading.

Now you are trying to change the subject rather than own up to your mistake.

 

[TomEric4756]

The truth is this is the beginning of something that's not good for U.S. citizens

Especially if none of the principals go to jail. …