The Senate finally has a bill
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The way I read it, it stays shut until people get the message and stop showing up.
There’s some 1,400 person thing than 75 percent in some period.
I saw that. I assumed it would allow them to open it back up sooner. If I get time, I’ll go back and read it again.
Yeah I know it doesn't have to go down to zero, but the key is the arrivals have to drop down for them to be allowed in again. If they keep showing up in the same numbers, they will just be turned away.
No. I fear you are trying to unfairly shift terms here to misrepresent things. We are talking about asylum. There is currently, it appears, no limit on the number of people who can claim asylum. Because such a high proportion of the people entering the country are claiming asylum, that is the particular issue that is such a major part of this bill.
It’s an invasion!!! It’s a crisis!!!
But, it’s an election year, so we’re gonna hold off on legislation.
I get that but I don’t see how it can possibly play out. Those numbers mean nothing. I read what twenty posted…it is an improvement if put into action.
I asked earlier….how is it enforced. I linked to the Arizona case. If the Feds, whoever has the executive branch, don’t enforce the law….what does it matter.
It’s no more an invasion than Jan 6th was an insurrection
I’ll put you down as trying to say it’s not an invasion by brown people because a bunch of white people beat cops and wiped shit on the walls.
What about a crisis? Is it a crisis?
It is for Texas and Arizona. “Brown people”….i love it. Get your talking points in there
Just stop it. Biden specifically invited people to the US because “that is who we are”. Calling these people asylum seekers is a damn joke. They aren’t they are refugees. Asylum is individual, General horrible conditions affecting thousands of people is not grounds for asylum. Asylum grounds is individual and is a particular individual harm, not general danger present in the whole community or country.
In any event, there is no reason to admit people before their asylum claim is adjudicated.
Biden FUBARED the idea of border control and asylum. I don’t know if Mayorkas or his advisors even told him how bad things are. This bill perpetuates the Biden view about asylum and even codifies it. The bill is not an improvement and must not pass.
That's a good argument for voting out a President, but it's a bad argument for not passing needed reforms. Congress needs to do its job, regardless.
butheremails is basically like having a member of the squad post. someone said he was superhoosier who got run for his stupidity i guess. not really worth engaging.
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Then why are you so opposed to a bill that would, in part, restrict the currently far-too-lenient test for who can apply for asylum?
That's a better analogy than I think even you realize. Both words imply that a group is an enemy force that is directly hostile to the government of the United States.
It’s an invasion!!! It’s a crisis!!!
And it’s an election year, so we’re gonna have to come up with some legislation.
Congress passes a law that limits who or how many can enter the country. We spend a bunch of money to implement. The executive refuses to enforce the provisions. These are mandatory. Can a member of Congress or a state sue for enforcement?
I took to heart your original argument on DeSantis and Abbott using the word invasion.
After reading it again, it’s not a 7 day rolling average? If correct, theoretically you could have on Monday 4,999 encounters, 6 consecutive days of 8,499. Rinse and repeat the entire year and never shut the border one time. That would be almost 3 million encounters without shutting the border🤣. Please tell me it’s a rolling average and I can’t read?
Ok. Gotcha. So, it is a 7 day rolling average? That’s what I thought the first time, but when I went back and read Marv’a article it wasn’t clear (or I missed it).
Good point.
Past history reveals 50% of those asking for asylum get it no matter who is president.
Given this, could it be our current laws regarding asylum need reform ? Reform doesn't mean accepting more asylum seekers.
I think if it says "in any seven-day period" that needs to be read as a rolling average. Can't justify splitting arbitrarily into weeks unless the statute is specific on that point.
Barrasso: “Joe Biden will never enforce any new law and refuses to use the tools he already has today to end this crisis. I cannot vote for this bill. Americans will turn to the upcoming election to end the border crisis.”
As far as I know he’s part of leadership. Did he just read the bill? Something seems off
As far as I know he’s part of leadership. Did he just read the bill? Something seems off
I oppose it because the law codifies the Biden erroneous interpretation.
The restriction seems to be in numbers which is an illusory number and is far higher than historical standards.
It was always dead….but now they are trying to blame Biden for this bill. The dude struggles to get off the stage correctly. He has nothing to do with it
You don't even know what the bill does. Please describe the erroneous interpretation you think this bill would codify.
Being a terrible administrator (which he is) is not an impeachable offenseMeans extra nothing now.
Why not pass a bill which our eventual president Trump could endorse ?
Just end asylum as in the book End Asylum.
A review of the book End Asylum in part has the to say with the Trump approach being in bold letters...
In The End of Asylum, three experts in immigration law offer a comprehensive examination of the rise and demise of the US asylum system. Beginning with the Refugee Act of 1980, they describe how Congress adopted a definition of refugee based on the UN Refugee Convention and prescribed equitable and transparent procedures for a uniform asylum process. The authors then chart the evolution of this process, showing how Republican and Democratic administrations and Congresses tweaked the asylum system but maintained it as a means of protecting victims of persecution—until the Trump administration. By expanding his executive reach, twisting obscure provisions in the law, undermining past precedents, and creating additional obstacles for asylum seekers, Trump's policies have effectively ended asylum. The book concludes with a roadmap and a call to action for the Biden administration and Congress to repair and reform the US asylum system.
Just end asylum as in the book End Asylum.
A review of the book End Asylum in part has the to say with the Trump approach being in bold letters...
In The End of Asylum, three experts in immigration law offer a comprehensive examination of the rise and demise of the US asylum system. Beginning with the Refugee Act of 1980, they describe how Congress adopted a definition of refugee based on the UN Refugee Convention and prescribed equitable and transparent procedures for a uniform asylum process. The authors then chart the evolution of this process, showing how Republican and Democratic administrations and Congresses tweaked the asylum system but maintained it as a means of protecting victims of persecution—until the Trump administration. By expanding his executive reach, twisting obscure provisions in the law, undermining past precedents, and creating additional obstacles for asylum seekers, Trump's policies have effectively ended asylum. The book concludes with a roadmap and a call to action for the Biden administration and Congress to repair and reform the US asylum system.
Since Forbes makes this political it can't go in the main thread.
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Taiwan should begin negotiating their surrender now, we will never stay with them when it counts.
A Ukrainian Brigade Ran Low On Ammo. That, Plus Some Bad Weather, Was All The Advantage Russian Troops Needed To Breach Avdiivka.
'The situation in the city has become critical,' Ukrainian journalist Andriy Tsaplienko wrote about Avdiivka.
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Taiwan should begin negotiating their surrender now, we will never stay with them when it counts.
