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The Senate finally has a bill

Does the far left have any say?

If it passed the senate then it only has to get through the house, which is controlled by republicans...and they appear ready to torpedo it on trump's behalf.
 
This is a problem created by Joe, who has everything he needs to fix it, but won’t because he wants to blame the republicans for it.

I think that about sums it up.

DHS has moved personnel from other jobs to help at the border, for example, air Marshals. They lack the money to hire the people and equipment they say they need. And moving people like air Marshals creates other risks. This bill greatly enhances money. Do we need more border agents?

It includes money for more border wall that some believe is a real game changer. Do we need more wall?

It includes tightening the requirements to get asylum, to make it harder. Is that bad?

It creates more courts to speed up asylum requests, is that bad?
 
DHS has moved personnel from other jobs to help at the border, for example, air Marshals. They lack the money to hire the people and equipment they say they need. And moving people like air Marshals creates other risks. This bill greatly enhances money. Do we need more border agents?

It includes money for more border wall that some believe is a real game changer. Do we need more wall?

It includes tightening the requirements to get asylum, to make it harder. Is that bad?

It creates more courts to speed up asylum requests, is that bad?
He took steps right when he got into office to exacerbate the problem. Hoops doc is right. Now three years later it’s a disaster, an election year, and he’s trying to fix it, and shift blame, per usual
 
He took steps right when he got into office to exacerbate the problem. Hoops doc is right. Now three years later it’s a disaster, an election year, and he’s trying to fix it, and shift blame, per usual
So I will put you down as no on more wall. Thanks for coming over to my side.
 
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Crazed radical rightists and crazed radical progressives oppose it.


So of course that means it should pass but never will. We have lost how to deal.
The 5,000 threshold allows Biden to close the border, but it doesn’t require it. That’s the first thing this wrong. That has to be fixed or Republicans should vote no.
 
This is a problem created by Joe, who has everything he needs to fix it, but won’t because he wants to blame the republicans for it.

I think that about sums it up.

Um, it's the Republicans threatening to torpedo the legislation, not Biden.

How can you claim that Biden won't when he is not the one holding it up?

Btw, the problem wasn't created by Joe. Nice try. Joe inherited the problem. If there wasn't a problem, then why did Trump campaign on building a wall in 2016 and having Mexico pay for it? lmao
 
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Um, it's the Republicans threatening to torpedo the legislation, not Biden.

How can you claim that Biden won't when he is not the one holding it up?

Btw, the problem wasn't created by Joe. Nice try. Joe inherited the problem.
I sent you a post you lying scumbag detailing every last action he took to exacerbate this matter. And here you are again lying. If the mods had any balls and wanted to fix this board there’d be consequences for your lies
 
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DHS has moved personnel from other jobs to help at the border, for example, air Marshals. They lack the money to hire the people and equipment they say they need. And moving people like air Marshals creates other risks. This bill greatly enhances money. Do we need more border agents?

It includes money for more border wall that some believe is a real game changer. Do we need more wall?

It includes tightening the requirements to get asylum, to make it harder. Is that bad?

It creates more courts to speed up asylum requests, is that bad?
How about not allocating resources to work against Texas’ attempts to keep the invaders out?
DHS has moved personnel from other jobs to help at the border, for example, air Marshals. They lack the money to hire the people and equipment they say they need. And moving people like air Marshals creates other risks. This bill greatly enhances money. Do we need more border agents?

It includes money for more border wall that some believe is a real game changer. Do we need more wall?

It includes tightening the requirements to get asylum, to make it harder. Is that bad?

It creates more courts to speed up asylum requests, is that bad?
Yes, asylum is a joke & is being exploited. That’s not why these folks are invading, they are not political refugees.
 
The 5,000 threshold allows Biden to close the border, but it doesn’t require it. That’s the first thing this wrong. That has to be fixed or Republicans should vote no.
Are you sure:

The legislation would give the secretary of Homeland Security the option to shut down the border if, during a period of seven consecutive days, more than 4,000 encounters are recorded with migrants. If that number reaches 5,000 encounters for a period of seven consecutive days, the U.S. would be required to shut down the border.​

The only way the border would be shut down within one day is if there is a combined total of 8,500​
migrants encountered, according to the bill text.​

I chose that because I doubt a Nebraska newspaper is liberal. There is a lot in that bill, more border patrol agents, more equipment, more wall. All things Republicans allegedly want. Do they want them or want the issue?
 
How about not allocating resources to work against Texas’ attempts to keep the invaders out?

Yes, asylum is a joke & is being exploited. That’s not why these folks are invading, they are not political refugees.
A huge number are Venezuelan. I guess conservatives were only kidding when they called it a socialist hellhole.

In fact, you wouldn't want to live or even visit most of the other countries. Narco gangs have taken over. I get why people want out, I get why we don't take them all. But to suggest they don't face horrible situations where they are is probably something Sean Hannity teaches because no one will fact check him.
 
That's been the problem all along. It goes back to Reagan, when they intended to make allowances for political asylum, not poverty or violence. I'd like to know how/if the bill redefines "asylum."
Asylum reforms, extended temp protections on and on. There’s no coincidence now whomever handles Biden is taking notice bc it’s an election year and he’s polling like shit on the issue. He had three years now blue cities are bitching. Clown show. Cannot imagine these dockets and how many will never appear
 
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Are you sure:

The legislation would give the secretary of Homeland Security the option to shut down the border if, during a period of seven consecutive days, more than 4,000 encounters are recorded with migrants. If that number reaches 5,000 encounters for a period of seven consecutive days, the U.S. would be required to shut down the border.​

The only way the border would be shut down within one day is if there is a combined total of 8,500​
migrants encountered, according to the bill text.​

I chose that because I doubt a Nebraska newspaper is liberal. There is a lot in that bill, more border patrol agents, more equipment, more wall. All things Republicans allegedly want. Do they want them or want the issue?
The emergency can be ignored if the president decides it isn’t in our “national interests”.

The 5,000 is not a hard number. It doesn’t turn away everyone. Unaccompanied minors and families are allowed to enter.

That has to be fixed.
 
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Asylum reforms, extended temp protections on and on. There’s no coincidence now whomever handles Biden is taking notice bc it’s an election year and he’s polling like shit on the issue. He had three years now blue cities are bitching. Clown show. Cannot imagine these dockets and how many will never appear
So you freely admit you want the issue over a possible solution because Biden's Biden. How is that different from because "Orange Man mean"

Here are the two most likely scenarios in the fall. Trump wins but Republicans end with 52 or fewer Senate seats. Democrats WILL not vote increased funding, will not vote for a wall. McConnell has said that.

2) Biden wins, what incentive does he have to do this in a 2nd term

So if you want wall and resources, this is it.

And you mis the big picture, he isn't doing this because he believes in it. He is doing it because he wants Ukraine money. He is giving Republicans what they want to get money for Ukraine. So if this fails, Trump will get what he wants, Putin controlling more of Europe.
 
So you freely admit you want the issue over a possible solution because Biden's Biden. How is that different from because "Orange Man mean"

Here are the two most likely scenarios in the fall. Trump wins but Republicans end with 52 or fewer Senate seats. Democrats WILL not vote increased funding, will not vote for a wall. McConnell has said that.

2) Biden wins, what incentive does he have to do this in a 2nd term

So if you want wall and resources, this is it.

And you mis the big picture, he isn't doing this because he believes in it. He is doing it because he wants Ukraine money. He is giving Republicans what they want to get money for Ukraine. So if this fails, Trump will get what he wants, Putin controlling more of Europe.
Agreed on Ukraine. Given the totality of influence getting Biden out of office is priority one. Not the next nine months. And a divided gov is typically what I prefer.

Just a note on these migrants. Heartbreaking. Truly. As someone who can barely control a toddler at target I cannot imagine how these families survive and get here. But we already have more than 50 percent who can’t afford rent. A massive welfare system. These aren’t people buying their way in they are going to be a burden for many years. Probably not a wise love for our country.
 
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So of course that means it should pass but never will. We have lost how to deal.
We don’t need no f*cking deal. We need a chief executive who will do the job. Biden is lying his ass off and nobody calls him on it except Fox News.

The idea that we even need a deal to close the border is crazy. The extreme MAGA Republicans who oppose this have it right.

This bill, negotiated in secret, is not Democracy or even deal making in action. It’s simply a vehicle for incumbents to campaign on, including Biden. What our government has become is sickening and frightening . .
 
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A huge number are Venezuelan. I guess conservatives were only kidding when they called it a socialist hellhole.

In fact, you wouldn't want to live or even visit most of the other countries. Narco gangs have taken over. I get why people want out, I get why we don't take them all. But to suggest they don't face horrible situations where they are is probably something Sean Hannity teaches because no one will fact check him.
All of this is true. So is the fact that the narco gangs are also exploiting the situation & invading the US “seeking asylum”. I would rather the refugees face horrible situations than citizens of the US. Thems the breaks.🤷 I’ll bet there is a process for them to apply to enter LEGALLY, if they have done so we should welcome them with open arms & help them acclimate.
 
And you mis the big picture, he isn't doing this because he believes in it. He is doing it because he wants Ukraine money.
Why the hell does Biden wanna give Ukraine money? I flat don’t believe his Putin=bad bullshit . Biden not only acquiesces in Iranian foreign wars, Biden actively enables and encourages Iranian wars. . Why the inconsistency? Israel is a helluva lot more important than Zelenskyy.

Besides, we have no money to give Ukraine anyway. Biden won’t change his stupid priorities (like forgiving student loans) to give Zelenskyy more money. No Biden sells more bonds to have money for Zelenskyy.

Everything Biden does is just crazy.
 
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The emergency can be ignored if the president decides it isn’t in our “national interests”.

The 5,000 is not a hard number. It doesn’t turn away everyone. Unaccompanied minors and families are allowed to enter.

That has to be fixed.

I am curious where you see the 5000 number info. I see where they ask for data broken out by things like single, family, unaccompanied minor, terrorist, US felon, etc. I don't see families not counting toward the 5000, but then again it is 370 pages long.

The emergency declaration is interesting. Presidents tend to like power to respond to an emergency. I don't know what emergency could happen, but I'm sure that is why it is there. It is limited to 45 days in a calendar year. Maybe it could be reduced to 15?
 
All of this is true. So is the fact that the narco gangs are also exploiting the situation & invading the US “seeking asylum”. I would rather the refugees face horrible situations than citizens of the US. Thems the breaks.🤷 I’ll bet there is a process for them to apply to enter LEGALLY, if they have done so we should welcome them with open arms & help them acclimate.
I appreciate the response. I am not sure the average Venezuelan knows what they are supposed to do to apply for asylum. I suspect a lot of these groups that bring people to the US have reason to lie to them over what they are supposed to do. They don't care if the people get asylum, they just want paid for bringing them to the US.

I don't know how we can get the word out that applying elsewhere is the way to go. Many of these people are probably not the most literate.
 
This is a problem created by Joe, who has everything he needs to fix it, but won’t because he wants to blame the republicans for it.

I think that about sums it up.
It can be both at once: Biden's enforcement measures for the past 3 years have caused a surge in illegal immigration AND the new bill proposed could help end that and clean up the problem we currently have.

But neither political party values beneficial change that is good for the country over winning the next election. And so it goes . . .
 
The emergency can be ignored if the president decides it isn’t in our “national interests”.

The 5,000 is not a hard number. It doesn’t turn away everyone. Unaccompanied minors and families are allowed to enter.

That has to be fixed.
We need to be able to turn away unaccompanied children?
 
This is a problem created by Joe, who has everything he needs to fix it, but won’t because he wants to blame the republicans for it.

I think that about sums it up.
Speaking of problems, there are currently 3.2 million cases of those applying under our asylum laws who have passed an initial hearing and are awaiting a final court hearing on whether they will be deported or allowed to proceed. Because the process can take years many of these cases started before Biden was in the White House.

It can be argued current law regarding asylum should make the initial hurdle more difficult so the court docket doesn't grow to the current level. For example there is no penalty for asylum seekers who don't enter the country at ports of entry.

Interestingly, in the past 50% of the cases of those seeking asylum have ultimately been approved by the courts. Given this, it can be estimated of the 3.2 million pending cases a good many under current law will ultimately be allowed to stay in the country and proceed towards being a citizen. Is current law regarding asylum too lenient ?

For those who feel our asylum process is too lenient it would seem to me our laws should be reformed. In other words, presidents who think the immigration process is allowing too many undeserving people to be clogging up the courts with asylum pleas should be demanding reform and tougher laws along with more funding. Reform and money which only Congress can provide.
 
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Why the hell does Biden wanna give Ukraine money? I flat don’t believe his Putin=bad bullshit . Biden not only acquiesces in Iranian foreign wars, Biden actively enables and encourages Iranian wars. . Why the inconsistency? Israel is a helluva lot more important than Zelenskyy.

Besides, we have no money to give Ukraine anyway. Biden won’t change his stupid priorities (like forgiving student loans) to give Zelenskyy more money. No Biden sells more bonds to have money for Zelenskyy.

Everything Biden does is just crazy.
It can be both at once: Biden's enforcement measures for the past 3 years have caused a surge in illegal immigration AND the new bill proposed could help end that and clean up the problem we currently have.

But neither political party values beneficial change that is good for the country over winning the next election. And so it goes . . .
Correct brad. And it can be motivated by an election year and it shouldn’t have to be tied to Ukraine or anything else
 
This is a problem created by Joe, who has everything he needs to fix it, but won’t because he wants to blame the republicans for it.

I think that about sums it up.
He could fix the whole problem with executive orders but he does not want the problem fixed. He wants to blame republicans for not passing this god awful bill. Did you notice the new asylum courts would be in D.C. and not the border states. Far left wing D.C. geez I wonder how those judges would rule.
 
I am curious where you see the 5000 number info. I see where they ask for data broken out by things like single, family, unaccompanied minor, terrorist, US felon, etc. I don't see families not counting toward the 5000, but then again it is 370 pages long.

The emergency declaration is interesting. Presidents tend to like power to respond to an emergency. I don't know what emergency could happen, but I'm sure that is why it is there. It is limited to 45 days in a calendar year. Maybe it could be reduced to 15?
Ok. I may have not been clear. Before the 5,000 is met…single adults would be detained. Families would be released. What has been referred to as catch and release would remain for families. Minors are released to Office of Refugee Resettlement.

The limit only applies for 270 days. That needs fixed.

Page 115 or 116.

 
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He could fix the whole problem with executive orders but he does not want the problem fixed. He wants to blame republicans for not passing this god awful bill. Did you notice the new asylum courts would be in D.C. and not the border states. Far left wing D.C. geez I wonder how those judges would rule.

I thought Texas and Florida were already busing migrants to liberal areas of the country....it was great/funny theatre then but now it's an issue?

I thought you didn't like when dems used executive orders (don't seem to care when pubs do it) but now it's biden's fault for giving congress a chance to do their job?

If justice can't be had in liberal areas of the country, then it definitely can't be had in conservative areas of the country. In fact, any ruling made in a conservative area is automatically bull crap. ;)

Love the reasoning lmao.
 
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They don’t count against the daily total
Unaccompanied children present a unique problem. Telling a 12-year-old to hang out in Mexico isn't something I particularly like. They aren't guaranteed anything, they are given a lawyer and put into a facility and promised expedited hearing. Once the hearing determines they aren't eligible, they are sent away. There might be room for tweeks but I'm not sure we are going to get any Democratic votes if we just kick kids out the door to fend for themselves.
 
DHS has moved personnel from other jobs to help at the border, for example, air Marshals. They lack the money to hire the people and equipment they say they need. And moving people like air Marshals creates other risks. This bill greatly enhances money. Do we need more border agents?

It includes money for more border wall that some believe is a real game changer. Do we need more wall?

It includes tightening the requirements to get asylum, to make it harder. Is that bad?

It creates more courts to speed up asylum requests, is that bad?
The bill does nothing to secure the border. The border agents are being hired to more quickly process more illegals. They are stopping the flow. They are in essence increasing it. Why would Americans want this?
 
Unaccompanied children present a unique problem. Telling a 12-year-old to hang out in Mexico isn't something I particularly like. They aren't guaranteed anything, they are given a lawyer and put into a facility and promised expedited hearing. Once the hearing determines they aren't eligible, they are sent away. There might be room for tweeks but I'm not sure we are going to get any Democratic votes if we just kick kids out the door to fend for themselves.
All I said was that they don’t count against the total.

I went back and listened to Lankford’s interview. He has been the point man for the GOP on this bill.

He wouldn’t address why we can’t apply the same standard for everyone every day. Why does the limit only apply for 270 day? This seems like an easy fix.
 
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Unaccompanied children present a unique problem. Telling a 12-year-old to hang out in Mexico isn't something I particularly like. They aren't guaranteed anything, they are given a lawyer and put into a facility and promised expedited hearing. Once the hearing determines they aren't eligible, they are sent away. There might be room for tweeks but I'm not sure we are going to get any Democratic votes if we just kick kids out the door to fend for themselves.
 
All I said was that they don’t count against the total.

I went back and listened to Lankford’s interview. He has been the point man for the GOP on this bill.

He wouldn’t address why we can’t apply the same standard for everyone every day. Why does the limit only apply for 270 day? This seems like an easy fix.

A camel is a horse built by a committee. There are competing interests and they decided on this.
 
The bill does nothing to secure the border. The border agents are being hired to more quickly process more illegals. They are stopping the flow. They are in essence increasing it. Why would Americans want this?

Maybe because most Americans don't believe anything you just said.
 
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