SIAP: Steve Kerr on the Texas shooting
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VanPastorMan
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You and I are in agreement on the mentally ill getting guns. It should not be allowed. But gun control of the law abiding is not the answer. If you magically removed all guns from America criminals would still find a way to illegally bring guns into the country like they do drugs. Then all you have is criminals who have guns. It's a fact that this is how it would turn out. What we have to do is 1. make sure the mentally ill do not have access to weapons. 2. make sure convicted felons have no access to weapons. The rest of the U.S. should be free to have weapons if they choose.
What?
Several posters invaded this thread, which was started to highlight Kerr’s heartfelt statement, and called him all kinds of names. Is this priest exempt when he did the exact same thing?
Just wondering.
Was that what happened when gun restrictions were enacted in the U.K. or Japan or Australia or South Africa or Norway or the multitude of other places where there are significantly more restrictions on gun ownership and possession?
You have plenty of opportunity to support this "fact" with some data given the many countries that have enacted stronger restrictions than we have in the U.S., so I'm looking forward to your analysis and presentation of the data.
Your comment is/was worthless. Just as worthless as the comments denigrating Kerr for his performance.
Just more lazy gotcha nonsense. Catholics come in all shapes and stripes.
I didn’t watch but I’ll assume Bowling Green wasn’t mentioned either.
7 shot at a festival in Oklahoma. 6 shot in downtown Chattanooga. 25 shot and 5 dead in Chicago already this weekend. On Meet the Press this morning the guys said random violence, mass shootings, it's young men. And it's out of control. My prediction is that we MAY get something out of Congress with Republicans on board; but regardless many states will act independently and enact legislation. People are done with it. Gun violence is a hot button and this feels different
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Lol. Check the race on that Oklahoma shooter. It doesn’t rate.
And that was the thrust of the objections in this thread that were imputed to Kerr. At this point I think we are going to see more bipartisan efforts, and/or state efforts, to enact legislation and to tamp down on crimes/shootings of all types. Again it's getting out of hand. The NRA is going to induce gag reflex for more people than ever before. Their raffle of the same gun used in the school shooting is disgusting.
Shit, there are what are considered mass shootings nearly every weekend in Charlotte, NC on the weekends in the summer. House and block parties be gettin' crazy after midnight. Bullets start flying. Doesn't seem to be as many deaths, but a lot of wounded.
Basically, violence in the US is tolerated if it's blacks killing blacks. If we would concentrate on stopping that, it would cure a lot of our society's ills.
It's so obvious that these crazy shooters are young males who want to commit suicide by cop and want to gain some notoriety by taking out as many innocents as they can, yet the Leftist solution is just to ban all guns. Period.
As suggested on this forum, if the age limit was raised for buying and possessing a gun, ito would greatly discourage these types of mass shootings.
Raise the age limit, require permits/background checks, ban high capacity mags, make bond on gun charges super high, and any gun conviction carry a hefty sentence
Trump supported that move. The NRA said no.
Despite Trump prediction, NRA says it won't back raising age limit on assault-style guns
“It should all be at 21,” Trump said. “And the NRA will back it.”
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The NRA is ridiculous. More and more people are recognizing that factTrump supported that move. The NRA said no.
Despite Trump prediction, NRA says it won't back raising age limit on assault-style guns
“It should all be at 21,” Trump said. “And the NRA will back it.”
We are choosing to live in a high crime, high violence society. There are measures to make us all safer.Trump supported that move. The NRA said no.
Despite Trump prediction, NRA says it won't back raising age limit on assault-style guns
“It should all be at 21,” Trump said. “And the NRA will back it.”
I'll tell ya another thing I'd do if I were king for a day. Commute every single drug sentence that didn't involve distribution. Even if it's a thousandth offense. Clear those prisons out to fill with any and everyone convicted of ANY weapons chargeTrump supported that move. The NRA said no.
Despite Trump prediction, NRA says it won't back raising age limit on assault-style guns
“It should all be at 21,” Trump said. “And the NRA will back it.”
The bottom line here IMO is that we need to stop listening to and especially catering to; the fringes from both the left and the right. Too much time and resources are used pandering to 30% of the population at the expense of 70%.
Be transgendered...be a religious nut...cuddle with your pronouns and your bibles...we don't care, and don't need to talk nonstop about you. You be you and STFU.
We have real work to do.
I doubt there are many in jail for possession or use. Even if that is listed as the crime you can bet your bippy that it was a plea bargain from a more serious offense.
I think Trump could get the NRA to move on that. Biden poisoned the well with his post-Uvalde rant. Other Democrat leaders did the same. Reasonable discussions and compromise is once again unlikely.
So what happens to people arrested for possession? The Pew article below says that probation has virtually disappeared for drug crimes. So if there is no jail and no probation ...?
Federal Drug Sentencing Laws Bring High Cost, Low Return
More than 95,000 federal prisoners are serving time for drug-related offenses—up from fewer than 5,000 in 1980.1 Changes in drug crime patterns and law enforcement practices played a role in this growth, but federal sentencing laws enacted during the 1980s and 1990s also have required more drug...
Trump did not in 2018 when he said he could. Read the article, the NRA quickly said no way.
Way more than you think. It all depends on the county and in Fed min sentencing
Making federal minimum sentencing more lenient was a Trump objective and he accomplished it with his CJ reform. Of course that’s like it never happened because it’s yet another good thing Trump did.
The Democrats and media never gave Trump a chance to be president. Its a wonder he got anything done as it was. The Russia hoax perpetrated by the Hillary campaign and resulting special counsel investigation together with Pelosi/Scchiff/Nadler bullshit dominated the government in 2017 and 2018. What a country.!
Federal probation is not available for most federal crimes. That is contrasted with state court where probation is usually allowed for a first time offender.So what happens to people arrested for possession? The Pew article below says that probation has virtually disappeared for drug crimes. So if there is no jail and no probation ...?
Federal Drug Sentencing Laws Bring High Cost, Low Return
More than 95,000 federal prisoners are serving time for drug-related offenses—up from fewer than 5,000 in 1980.1 Changes in drug crime patterns and law enforcement practices played a role in this growth, but federal sentencing laws enacted during the 1980s and 1990s also have required more drug...www.pewtrusts.org
Possession alone can reach a felony in Mo. With priors for anything that can be prison in republican counties
Voters should vote against ANY politician that receives money from the NRA and any lobbyists from companies who manufacture and sell the types of weapons used in these horrible crimes!!! Vote the bastards out. They're NEVER going to pass any legislation to stop this crap.
We need to look at why people with prior felonies commit more felonies. I betcha a crappy home life is the root cause and a crappy home life is usually because the parents are junkies. Statistics tell us the lack of family support is a significant cause of failed probation. I don’t think legal recreational drug use is the answer. We got to stop the use some way some how. It hurts the economy too. The shortages of skilled labor in so many sectors is because people can’t pass drug tests, or don’t bother to get a job because they know they can’t pass the drug test.
From the Pew article:
Probation has all but disappeared as a sanction for drug offenders. In 1980, federal courts sentenced 26 percent of convicted drug offenders to probation. By 2014, the proportion had fallen to 6 percent, with judges sending nearly all drug offenders to prison.
So at least in 1980, probation was an option in at least 26% of drug crimes. So I ask again, if we are not sending them to probation, what is happening to people arrested for possession? You said specifically they are not going to jail.
Biden championed the bill that largely ended federal probation saying racist comments along the way.. Trump promised reform and did it. He expanded the exceptions and alternatives, but of course you wouldn’t know that.
A study was done in Chicago that I believe 70 people move out of the city for every murder. I believe in Stl the total annual cost of our murders is 1.5 billion and crime is directly responsible for the massive exodus here. The tentacles of gun crimes are far reaching
So to be clear, you said basically no one goes to jail for possession. I have asked what happens to possession since you said they do not go to jail. You still have not answered. It appears we do send people to prison for possession, especially in NY.
Who Goes to Prison for Drug Offenses?
www.hrw.org
VanPastorMan
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It does. I don't buy it that other countries don't shoot each other if they have guns. We are not the most dangerous country. If other countries can't afford guns they just use knives or pitch people off cliffs.
Learning what? To keep immigrants out to preserve a homogenous society?
Is that your solution?
