Russia-Ukraine war has begun

[Aloha Hoosier]

Russian Forces Make Advances as Ukraine Awaits Fresh US Weaponry

Russian forces pressed forward in eastern Ukraine and in some areas accelerated their advance as Kyiv’s depleted forces await badly needed US weaponry, according to US and UK officials.

www.bloomberg.com

To add on - this might have a silver lining by getting the Russians out from behind their mind fields and dug in defenses. When Urkraine gets sufficient weapons and munitions they might be able to do a rapid counter offensive destroying Russian forces in depth. Maybe involving a flanking attack.

 

[NewGuyToTheBoard]

Yes, people die in wars. This war was started by Russia. You want all the dead people to be Ukrainians?

How bout no dead people and no war?

I realize we have people in Washington and people like yourself getting their rocks off to this whole thing, but it seems you never question the ridiculousness of Ukranians and Russian conscripts that don't want to be there, dying over who controls the Donbas. Let them have the Donbas, Crimea. Pledge that Ukraine will never join NATO and this conflict can be ended the way it should have been prevented.

Russia had no interest in invading Ukraine until the idea of NATO membership picked up steam. That is a FACT.

NATO started this war by deliberately crossing a Russian red line. And unlike Obama, Putin stays true to his.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

How bout no dead people and no war?

I realize we have people in Washington and people like yourself getting their rocks off to this whole thing, but it seems you never question the ridiculousness of Ukranians and Russian conscripts that don't want to be there, dying over who controls the Donbas. Let them have the Donbas, Crimea. Pledge that Ukraine will never join NATO and this conflict can be ended the way it should have been prevented.

Russia had no interest in invading Ukraine until the idea of NATO membership picked up steam. That is a FACT.

NATO started this war by deliberately crossing a Russian red line. And unlike Obama, Putin stays true to his.

Nonsense. Russia started the war. Putin has expressed desire to bring former Soviet states back into the fold. He started with Ukraine territory in Crimea. This is all fact.

 

[NewGuyToTheBoard]

Nonsense. Russia started the war. Putin has expressed desire to bring former Soviet states back into the fold.

link? I know there's a neocon boogeyman that says Putin has designs on reconstituting the Soviet Union, but I don't believe he's ever said as much.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

link? I know there's a neocon boogeyman that says Putin has designs on reconstituting the Soviet Union, but I don't believe he's ever said as much.

Neocon? I have no idea what neocon would have to do with it. I’m watching the Reds and the NFL draft. You can do a little research on your own.

 

[T.M.P.]

Russia had no interest in invading Ukraine until the idea of NATO membership picked up steam. That is a FACT.

No. It. Isn't.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

To add on - this might have a silver lining by getting the Russians out from behind their mind fields and dug in defenses. When Urkraine gets sufficient weapons and munitions they might be able to do a rapid counter offensive destroying Russian forces in depth. Maybe involving a flanking attack.

That was where my mind was going. Pull back, let them extend past their supply lines and fortification, then pinch them off . Could be a huge body count. They are already looking at 500,000 in the next 35-40 days just under normal operations.

 

[NewGuyToTheBoard]

No. It. Isn't.

Courtesy of WikiLeaks. Our now head of the CIA, makes it clear in 2008 that Ukraine admission to NATO is the reddest of red lines. NATO continued to kick around the idea

Cable: 08MOSCOW265_a

God bless Assange. Hopefully you learned something today. Now don't comment on my posts again if you're going to bring your weak bullshit. Thanks.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

link? I know there's a neocon boogeyman that says Putin has designs on reconstituting the Soviet Union, but I don't believe he's ever said as much.

He took Crimea long before any NATO discussion and started the uprising. He took parts of Georgia long before that. The Russians were involved in Transnistria in 1990, and are still working to destabilize Moldova.

 

[DANC]

That was where my mind was going. Pull back, let them extend past their supply lines and fortification, then pinch them off . Could be a huge body count. They are already looking at 500,000 in the next 35-40 days just under normal operations.

I think the change of the head of command of the Ukrainian military coincided with Ukraine pulling back. Could be the pullback is by design, for this reason, knowing the Russkies lose a lot more men and material when they're on the offense.

 

[DANC]

link? I know there's a neocon boogeyman that says Putin has designs on reconstituting the Soviet Union, but I don't believe he's ever said as much.

If you have Netflix, you should watch the Turning Point series on the Cold War. It does a pretty good study on Putin and his motivations and mindset. Pretty good insight and there's no doubt he sees the downfall of the Soviet Union as a humiliation and he wants to put the old band back together.

 

[NewGuyToTheBoard]

If you have Netflix, you should watch the Turning Point series on the Cold War. It does a pretty good study on Putin and his motivations and mindset. Pretty good insight and there's no doubt he sees the downfall of the Soviet Union as a humiliation and he wants to put the old band back together.

Malarkey. Give me the cliff notes and spare me the 9 part documentary.

He does lament the fall of the Soviet Union. That’s a major fall in status for Russia. Understandable. That’s a different thing entirely from having plans to reconstitute it.

NATO policy since the fall of the Soviet Union has been an abject failure. Clearly.

 

[NewGuyToTheBoard]

Malarkey. Give me the cliff notes and spare me the 9 part documentary.

He does lament the fall of the Soviet Union. That’s a major fall in status for Russia. Understandable. That’s a different thing entirely from having plans to reconstitute it.

NATO policy since the fall of the Soviet Union has been an abject failure. Clearly.

2 minutes into the first episode. Zelensky interview.

Why are you coming on this board recommending NATO, NeoCon propaganda?

 

[NewGuyToTheBoard]

He took Crimea long before any NATO discussion and started the uprising. He took parts of Georgia long before that. The Russians were involved in Transnistria in 1990, and are still working to destabilize Moldova.

That is just so wrong. The Bucharest summit prompted the invasion of Georgia.

2008 Bucharest summit - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I thought you were the boards military historian or something?

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

That is just so wrong. The Bucharest summit prompted the invasion of Georgia.

2008 Bucharest summit - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I thought you were the boards military historian or something?

We may be witnessing a cooler scrap develop. D&D military against Russian sympathy

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

Here is a 22 min long video of an epic battle, jan24 I think he said. It's long but very well done.

 

[NewGuyToTheBoard]

We may be witnessing a cooler scrap develop. D&D military against Russian sympathy

Like it or not the Russians are an entity we’re going to need to learn to deal with. Time for some real poltique.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

Like it or not the Russians are an entity we’re going to need to learn to deal with. Time for some real poltique.

I think Ukraine is teaching everyone right now how to deal with them.
They had a big day yesterday, -1340 orchs.

 

[DANC]

I think Ukraine is teaching everyone right now how to deal with them.
They had a big day yesterday, -1340 orchs.

I haven't been following as much. Is this the start of a counteroffensive? Or just luring the Orcs out of their trenches and then torching them?

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

I haven't been following as much. Is this the start of a counteroffensive? Or just luring the Orcs out of their trenches and then torching them?

Me either and I am simply an observer, reading others thoughts. Seems to be some theories that the Orcs know there is a shit ton of new things that go bang, with their names on them, that are inbound. They are trying to grab anything they can.. and are failing at it (but that is their stratagy).
As to your "luring" them out.... add on a dash of my conspiracy theory ability... I figure the MIC knew wellllll in advance that the pubs were going to cave and at least some of the unhealtcare boom toys, were already in place, or damn close. On the DL of course. Ukraine pulls back, dropping little scooby snack for the orcs to follow into the box trap.
The orc "200's" (now sunflower food)have been 650, 750, 800 ish per day for a couple weeks, then BAM.... 1340.
Another thing I've noticed for a while. Tanks and APV's #'s have been well down for a bit. I think the tank killed # is 12,000 now and APV's 14,000... Russia may actually be running low, FINALLY. Stalling on this aid package, maaaaaay have been for a reason. (total speculation).
Again, just my tea leaves.

 

[DANC]

Me either and I am simply an observer, reading others thoughts. Seems to be some theories that the Orcs know there is a shit ton of new things that go bang, with their names on them, that are inbound. They are trying to grab anything they can.. and are failing at it (but that is their stratagy).
As to your "luring" them out.... add on a dash of my conspiracy theory ability... I figure the MIC knew wellllll in advance that the pubs were going to cave and at least some of the unhealtcare boom toys, were already in place, or damn close. On the DL of course. Ukraine pulls back, dropping little scooby snack for the orcs to follow into the box trap.
The orc "200's" (now sunflower food)have been 650, 750, 800 ish per day for a couple weeks, then BAM.... 1340.
Another thing I've noticed for a while. Tanks and APV's #'s have been well down for a bit. I think the tank killed # is 12,000 now and APV's 14,000... Russia may actually be running low, FINALLY. Stalling on this aid package, maaaaaay have been for a reason. (total speculation).
Again, just my tea leaves.

I don't think the delay in aid was by design, but I think Ukraine knew it would eventually be approved.

I just find it interesting that Ukraine started to lose ground almost as soon as the change in military command was made. Sort of a ju-jitsu move?

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

MSN

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

MSN

Wellllllllll that explains why I've been seeing a FEW videos of ATACMS (the cluster version) over the last month. I assumed that Ukraine had been holding back a few, but this "secret" shipment explains what I wrote off as tactical weapon usage, so never mentioned it. Fantastic.

Now while we are here, amidst a new weapons package... I'm wondering if Ukraine will pick a few of the extended "horns" of Russian advances, hit some areas with the longer range ATACMS and then drop in some decent sized forces of paratroops, to work their way back west and kill everything they find, in between.
Continually bumping heads against fortifications isn't working. Get behind them, and make them unalive from the back side. ???? I'm just spitballing here. Maybe @BadWakeboarder can comment?

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

MSN

The military sure knows how to name things.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

The military sure knows how to name things.

It is a good one, isn't it !!! hahaha. Proves there is fun in killing a lot (alot) of the enemy !!

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

Getting very close to 1/2 MILLION "good" orchs.

 

[DANC]

Getting very close to 1/2 MILLION "good" orchs.

That's insane. Getting close to seriously affecting an entire generation, population-wise - if the number is anywhere close to this. And it's only going to get bigger.

Russia had a shrinking population before all this.....

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Are we slouching our way to total Putin win?

Aid and military packages will not stem the Russian tide. Ukraine simply is outmanned on the front lines. Keeping Odessa out of Putin’s hands is important. The best way to do that is with a negotiated solution. I honestly can’t figure out what we think we can achieve at this point. Our early timidity is biting us in the ass

Ukraine is at great risk of its front lines collapsing

According to high-ranking Ukrainian officers, the military picture is grim and Russian generals could find success wherever they decide to focus their upcoming offensive.

www.politico.eu

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Are we slouching our way to total Putin win?

Aid and military packages will not stem the Russian tide. Ukraine simply is outmanned on the front lines. Keeping Odessa out of Putin’s hands is important. The best way to do that is with a negotiated solution. I honestly can’t figure out what we think we can achieve at this point. Our early timidity is biting us in the ass

Ukraine is at great risk of its front lines collapsing

According to high-ranking Ukrainian officers, the military picture is grim and Russian generals could find success wherever they decide to focus their upcoming offensive.

www.politico.eu

Negotiations won’t work from a position of weakness. And yes, the MAGA Republican's’ delay of Ukraine aid package put Ukraine in a position of weakness.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Negotiations won’t work from a position of weakness. And yes, the MAGA Republican's’ delay of Ukraine aid package put Ukraine in a position of weakness.

Blaming the GOP for the delay is unfair. The GOP wanted to implement a higher priority for our border security, the Democrat response was funding more dysfunction and wouldn’t budge on any reasonable enforcement. . More cram-down democracy thanks to the Dems. At least we tried. Reasonableness would have resulted in Ukraine funding last year.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Blaming the GOP for the delay is unfair. The GOP wanted to implement a higher priority for our border security, the Democrat response was funding more dysfunction and wouldn’t budge on any reasonable enforcement. . More cram-down democracy thanks to the Dems. At least we tried. Reasonableness would have resulted in Ukraine funding last year.

I think it's entirely fair. Both things are important. There was an option to do both which former President Trump told his minions not to go with, so they didn't. After that the only possible way to fund Ukraine was to do it separately. The majority of Republicans and Democrats voted to do it. The MAGAs and the far-left Democrats joined in voting against it. I'm not good with the MAGA wingnuts joining with the Democrat moonbats on this.

 

[DANC]

Are we slouching our way to total Putin win?

Aid and military packages will not stem the Russian tide. Ukraine simply is outmanned on the front lines. Keeping Odessa out of Putin’s hands is important. The best way to do that is with a negotiated solution. I honestly can’t figure out what we think we can achieve at this point. Our early timidity is biting us in the ass

Ukraine is at great risk of its front lines collapsing

According to high-ranking Ukrainian officers, the military picture is grim and Russian generals could find success wherever they decide to focus their upcoming offensive.

www.politico.eu

I wouldn't take this at face value. According to the article, there is internal debate about it.

What blows my mind is, evidently they have the manpower available to call up, but aren't doing it for fear of some backlash. WTF? If the Ukrainian populace isn't willing to unite and fight together, why are we wasting our money?

IMO, we should have insisted they implemented a major call-up before we sent them more aid.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

I wouldn't take this at face value. According to the article, there is internal debate about it.

What blows my mind is, evidently they have the manpower available to call up, but aren't doing it for fear of some backlash. WTF? If the Ukrainian populace isn't willing to unite and fight together, why are we wasting our money?

IMO, we should have insisted they implemented a major call-up before we sent them more aid.

Russia is advancing on Odessa. If that falls, IMO. game over.

 

[DANC]

Russia is advancing on Odessa. If that falls, IMO. game over.

And Moldava would be next.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

And Moldava would be next.

Eh. Moldavia has no strategic value. Odessa is a major hub for food distribution. That will give Putin incredible leverage in food and energy.

Edit

Port of Odesa - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Eh. Moldavia has no strategic value. Odessa is a major hub for food distribution. That will give Putin incredible leverage in food and energy.

Edit

Port of Odesa - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

But they are already involved in Moldova.

 

[DANC]

Eh. Moldavia has no strategic value. Odessa is a major hub for food distribution. That will give Putin incredible leverage in food and energy.

Moldava has huge strategic value because it would put them closer to Kiev and just encircles Ukraine more.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Moldava has huge strategic value because it would put them closer to Kiev and just encircles Ukraine more.

A return to Holodomor, starvation of Ukraine. For those wonder why a Ukraine and a Georgia might want protection from Russia, that's the answer.

 

[DANC]

A return to Holodomor, starvation of Ukraine. For those wonder why a Ukraine and a Georgia might want protection from Russia, that's the answer.

I had to look up Holodomor. lol

 

[Marvin the Martian]

I had to look up Holodomor. lol

You weren't my intended target in looking it up, I am hoping the "Russia is a benevolent overlord" people do.