I thought that particular issue was dealt with by the links I provided. I'll try to find more if not.
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I read your links. Interesting. But they didn’t give admissions breakdowns by race, scores, etc
Let me offer a second response to clarify.
It doesn't matter if the legacies are qualified or not. If colleges give preferential treatment to legacies, then that preferential treatment will necessarily advantage whites (particularly, Protestant whites from professional trades, in most cases). Even if they are particularly qualified, that advantage - if it comes from being a legacy - still exists.
I thought you would. I really think we are agreeing on all the key components. I feel like we just have two different sets of rules about when it is or is not to drop the R-word. But if we agree to drop the politically hot terminology potato, we can all agree that certain processes advantage certain people, and just as affirmative action ultimately advantages certain minority groups, legacy admissions tend to advantage legacy groups, which are usually white, right? I mean there's a way to state this without arguing over values, right?
Yes the legacy policy on its face does appear discriminatory
It's a sad statement about how difficult discussion between us has become that it took this long to get to that, but I really think this is where we were headed all along. @Marvin the Martian can disagree, of course; I don't want to speak for him.
But if we have found some concord, please take note of what you are drinking tonight, and I will, as well, and we'll drink the same tomorrow.
Lmao. I’m on baby duty tonight and hence sober, which likely explains the absence of a litany of flying **** yous!!
Well past midnight and sober? I feel for you. If I'm sober past midnight, it's because I'm asleep.
I bet that beer in your fridge is just boring a laser beam into the back of your head right now.
Ha! Tomorrow. Booze puts me to sleep and makes this night even worse. One night a week I stay up sober with the baby on baby duty. It allows me time to ponder with a clear head how I ended up in this position.
Sounds like you ended up in this position because you have a kid who decided you are a sucker!
Really? No hangover required . How will yours be? I am not the one drunk, being an asshat to everyone thinking they are the king of the world like you. No wonder you stay in to drink and post on here because you would get the crap beat out of you in the real world.
Holy crap, why does this seem to bother you so much? My guess is you got in on a legacy somehow as your posts don't belie the intelligence factor. Leftist and their faux outrage like you amuse me. You are too big of a jerk to actually care from any humanitarian viewpoint so just what is your deal? I think you just like being a prick and I give you credit for being really good at it.
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Excellent thread from FIRE co-founder Greg Lukianoff regarding the CRT battle. FIRE defends 1st Amendment rights in educational institutions. Lukianoff co-authored Coddling of the American Mind and is on the left of the political sphere. If you want a neutral version of what is going on, give this a read:
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Stop Gaslighting Parents on Critical Race Theory
Proponents of Critical Race Theory are resorting to semantic gaslighting to defend a dogma that most Americans instinctively abhor. Some pundits claim that CRT is exclusively a school of thought taugh
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For as many “CRT is the bogeyman to the right” stories there are as many “CRT isn’t in public schools” lies.
This article makes me want to throw a hammer through my wall. You sycophantic monsters are a danger to the republic.
What Happens When a Slogan Becomes the Curriculum
A curriculum inspired by the Black Lives Matter movement is spreading, raising questions about the line between education and indoctrination.
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I'm hopeful this suit is successful and might be a turning point in all of this:For as many “CRT is the bogeyman to the right” stories there are as many “CRT isn’t in public schools” lies.
This article makes me want to throw a hammer through my wall. You sycophantic monsters are a danger to the republic.
What Happens When a Slogan Becomes the Curriculum
A curriculum inspired by the Black Lives Matter movement is spreading, raising questions about the line between education and indoctrination.www.theatlantic.com
Deemar v. Evanston/Skokie School District 65
For years, the Evanston/Skokie School District 65 has been forcing its teachers to participate in, teach their students, and observe programming that
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Not sure which judge they pulled. Hoping they got a good one.
Some good stuff in there. I especially like how he captures my eternal frustration with this entire debate (@INRanger27):Excellent thread from FIRE co-founder Greg Lukianoff regarding the CRT battle. FIRE defends 1st Amendment rights in educational institutions. Lukianoff co-authored Coddling of the American Mind and is on the left of the political sphere. If you want a neutral version of what is going on, give this a read:
Thread by @glukianoff on Thread Reader App
Thread by @glukianoff: Wondering about the controversy surrounding "anti-CRT” bills popping up all over the country? You’re not alone. It’s taken me several weeks & 3 co-authors to write this 5000+ word piece (1/34...…
Like it or not, the acronym “CRT” as commonly used in 2021 doesn’t refer to the foundational texts and authors in the academic movement. It’s a shorthand for certain ideas that have filtered (in reductive forms or not) from CRT thinkers into the mainstream, including in bestselling books like “White Fragility” and “How to Be an Antiracist” — ideas like how relationships between individual white and nonwhite people are those of the oppressor and oppressed, that all white people are consciously or unconsciously racist, that ostensibly raceblind concepts like “meritocracy” are the result of white supremacy, among others.
Indeed, many if not most of the bills ban teaching of these concepts, rather than critical race theory itself. Arguing that the bills are bad purely based on the semantics that they are not referring to “true” CRT is little more than deflection. Arguing that the term “CRT” as applied to the bills is a misnomer may be correct, but it won’t persuade anyone that the bills, or the concerns underlying them, should be abandoned. (Additionally, if the bills were banning something that isn’t actually taught in K-12, why bother with any pushback?)
For as many “CRT is the bogeyman to the right” stories there are as many “CRT isn’t in public schools” lies.
This article makes me want to throw a hammer through my wall. You sycophantic monsters are a danger to the republic.
What Happens When a Slogan Becomes the Curriculum
A curriculum inspired by the Black Lives Matter movement is spreading, raising questions about the line between education and indoctrination.
White flight to the suburbs is now white flight from insanity states. The colorblind idea is dead in these areas now it's about how we can teach the evilness of the white skin.
Not a good future for our country. I'm pretty sad about it, as I really thought we were moving beyond it, but somehow it's become worse. Hopefully it's a one step back, two steps forward situation.
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Yes it’s the root of my protest to it. CRT in and of itself is fine to teach, especially at higher levels. God knows we need more critical thought.
But like Marxism, it’s the human condition that pushes it into the insane and impossible. Couple that with race baiters and grifters holding all the cards and able to declare anyone and anything racist at a moment’s notice and you get sycophantic educated liberals kowtowing to the Kendi’s and the DiAngelo’s crazy ideas - or worse - to their disciples’ even crazier ideas.
critical theory (or CRT) is not the same thing as critical thinking. If one were to apply critical thinking to CRT one would quickly be labeled a racist.
Not sure what your beef is here. Politics of the moment changes the traditional concepts of many things, including the definition of conservatism which I used to post about often. Capitalism and socialism are also pretty much butchered for the purpose of scoring political points. You have acknowledged and I think accepted this in other contexts.
That said, I think Kendi’s view is pretty close to Marx. Maybe you don’t think Marx is an example of critical theory either?
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This is true. I think Goat’s beef is that he knows that progressives can’t help but **** up CRT despite its obvious merits.
An interesting Yahoo/YouGov poll that seems to mirror this board...
"Conservatives claim that schools are indoctrinating students in “critical race theory.” Liberals argue that conservatives don’t even know what critical race theory is — and that if they did, they’d realize teachers aren’t actually exposing kids to it.
But a new Yahoo News/YouGov poll suggests that the roiling culture war over so-called CRT isn’t about whether today’s schoolchildren are suddenly probing the complexities of an academic approach to race that originated among legal scholars in the mid-1970s.
Rather, the clash over CRT — aside from whatever the term now connotes in the public imagination — appears to be a supercharged spinoff of a deeper dispute between conservatives and pretty much every other group in the United States"
Is this the crux of the ideological divide?
"According to the poll, the right largely believes that racism is personal — the product of one individual discriminating against another. The rest of the country mostly agrees that racism is systemic — a force that continues to harm people of color, regardless of how isolated individuals treat them.
And therein lies the disagreement over what kids should learn in school."
"It turns out only about half of Americans (52 percent) are even familiar with the term "critical race theory," according to the poll, and political engagement is likely to account for that exposure. As Time magazine reported in a recent cover story, “conservative advocacy groups, legal organizations and state legislatures” have “mounted a campaign to weaponize” the term because they believe that “fighting it will be a winning electoral message.”
As a result, awareness is much higher among white Americans who identify as conservative (71 percent) or liberal (70 percent) than it is among white moderates (48 percent), African Americans (42 percent) or Latino Americans (39 percent)"
The poll shows that the weaponization of the term CRT is highly effective, based on people who have "heard of it" and don't want it taught in schools.
"The interesting thing is what happens — and, more to the point, what doesn’t happen — when you dissociate one of CRT’s main tenets from the hot-button term.
To do that, Yahoo News and YouGov also asked — before ever mentioning “critical race theory,” so as not to influence the answers — whether respondents agreed or disagreed with the concept that “racism is not merely the product of individual bias or prejudice, but also something embedded in legal systems and policies.” We then asked if that concept is “something students should be exposed to in schools.”
Poll: The real reason Republicans are so riled up about 'critical race theory'
The clash over "critical race theory" — aside from whatever the term now connotes in the public imagination — appears to be a supercharged spinoff of a deeper dispute between conservatives and pretty much every other group in the United States.
It appears to be a reboot of the whole "I support the ACA", "I hate Obamacare" dichotomy, where people who "hated Obamacare" turned around and voiced support for the ACA...
this entirely misses the point. the point isn't whether this party believes racism is individualized or that party believes it's systemic, it's that some of us don't want any of it taught in elementary or even high schools. teach the RRRs etc. i don't want racial issues being taught to my kid through the filter of a 23 year old with a bach degree from some directional school. if she wants to load up on race/class/gender studies in college go for it. time and place.An interesting Yahoo/YouGov poll that seems to mirror this board...
"Conservatives claim that schools are indoctrinating students in “critical race theory.” Liberals argue that conservatives don’t even know what critical race theory is — and that if they did, they’d realize teachers aren’t actually exposing kids to it.
But a new Yahoo News/YouGov poll suggests that the roiling culture war over so-called CRT isn’t about whether today’s schoolchildren are suddenly probing the complexities of an academic approach to race that originated among legal scholars in the mid-1970s.
Rather, the clash over CRT — aside from whatever the term now connotes in the public imagination — appears to be a supercharged spinoff of a deeper dispute between conservatives and pretty much every other group in the United States"
Is this the crux of the ideological divide?
"According to the poll, the right largely believes that racism is personal — the product of one individual discriminating against another. The rest of the country mostly agrees that racism is systemic — a force that continues to harm people of color, regardless of how isolated individuals treat them.
And therein lies the disagreement over what kids should learn in school."
"It turns out only about half of Americans (52 percent) are even familiar with the term "critical race theory," according to the poll, and political engagement is likely to account for that exposure. As Time magazine reported in a recent cover story, “conservative advocacy groups, legal organizations and state legislatures” have “mounted a campaign to weaponize” the term because they believe that “fighting it will be a winning electoral message.”
As a result, awareness is much higher among white Americans who identify as conservative (71 percent) or liberal (70 percent) than it is among white moderates (48 percent), African Americans (42 percent) or Latino Americans (39 percent)"
The poll shows that the weaponization of the term CRT is highly effective, based on people who have "heard of it" and don't want it taught in schools.
"The interesting thing is what happens — and, more to the point, what doesn’t happen — when you dissociate one of CRT’s main tenets from the hot-button term.
To do that, Yahoo News and YouGov also asked — before ever mentioning “critical race theory,” so as not to influence the answers — whether respondents agreed or disagreed with the concept that “racism is not merely the product of individual bias or prejudice, but also something embedded in legal systems and policies.” We then asked if that concept is “something students should be exposed to in schools.”
Poll: The real reason Republicans are so riled up about 'critical race theory'
The clash over "critical race theory" — aside from whatever the term now connotes in the public imagination — appears to be a supercharged spinoff of a deeper dispute between conservatives and pretty much every other group in the United States.www.yahoo.com
It appears to be a reboot of the whole "I support the ACA", "I hate Obamacare" dichotomy, where people who "hated Obamacare" turned around and voiced support for the ACA...
p.s. half this board has no clue where systemic racism occurs yet we want it in our grade schools? good grief....
You don't want history taught in either elementary school or high school?
If you do, should it be a whitewashed history? Should it ignore that slavery ever existed and had lasting consequences?
You cannot teach history without mentioning the enduring legacy of slavery. That's not teaching CRT at all, but it does seem to be how you redefine it.
If you do, should it be a whitewashed history? Should it ignore that slavery ever existed and had lasting consequences?
You cannot teach history without mentioning the enduring legacy of slavery. That's not teaching CRT at all, but it does seem to be how you redefine it.
hardly. i can teach the origins of the judicial branch and the operation of the judicial branch without the inclusion of how racism is embedded in those institutions. let kids learn about in college through race, class and theory courses, not grade school and high school
My first and still unanswered question of CRT advocates remains - “which institution? And how is the racism inadvertently put in action?”An interesting Yahoo/YouGov poll that seems to mirror this board...
"Conservatives claim that schools are indoctrinating students in “critical race theory.” Liberals argue that conservatives don’t even know what critical race theory is — and that if they did, they’d realize teachers aren’t actually exposing kids to it.
But a new Yahoo News/YouGov poll suggests that the roiling culture war over so-called CRT isn’t about whether today’s schoolchildren are suddenly probing the complexities of an academic approach to race that originated among legal scholars in the mid-1970s.
Rather, the clash over CRT — aside from whatever the term now connotes in the public imagination — appears to be a supercharged spinoff of a deeper dispute between conservatives and pretty much every other group in the United States"
Is this the crux of the ideological divide?
"According to the poll, the right largely believes that racism is personal — the product of one individual discriminating against another. The rest of the country mostly agrees that racism is systemic — a force that continues to harm people of color, regardless of how isolated individuals treat them.
And therein lies the disagreement over what kids should learn in school."
"It turns out only about half of Americans (52 percent) are even familiar with the term "critical race theory," according to the poll, and political engagement is likely to account for that exposure. As Time magazine reported in a recent cover story, “conservative advocacy groups, legal organizations and state legislatures” have “mounted a campaign to weaponize” the term because they believe that “fighting it will be a winning electoral message.”
As a result, awareness is much higher among white Americans who identify as conservative (71 percent) or liberal (70 percent) than it is among white moderates (48 percent), African Americans (42 percent) or Latino Americans (39 percent)"
The poll shows that the weaponization of the term CRT is highly effective, based on people who have "heard of it" and don't want it taught in schools.
"The interesting thing is what happens — and, more to the point, what doesn’t happen — when you dissociate one of CRT’s main tenets from the hot-button term.
To do that, Yahoo News and YouGov also asked — before ever mentioning “critical race theory,” so as not to influence the answers — whether respondents agreed or disagreed with the concept that “racism is not merely the product of individual bias or prejudice, but also something embedded in legal systems and policies.” We then asked if that concept is “something students should be exposed to in schools.”
Poll: The real reason Republicans are so riled up about 'critical race theory'
The clash over "critical race theory" — aside from whatever the term now connotes in the public imagination — appears to be a supercharged spinoff of a deeper dispute between conservatives and pretty much every other group in the United States.
It appears to be a reboot of the whole "I support the ACA", "I hate Obamacare" dichotomy, where people who "hated Obamacare" turned around and voiced support for the ACA...
The answer is usually “you are a racist - our conversation is over.”
So where else can we start? Education? Criminal Justice? Juvenile Justice? Insurance? NBA? DMV?
Embracing critical theory, teacher’s union says they — not parents — control what kids learn
The political left wants critical race theory in every school district in the nation.The nation’s largest teachers union has approved a plan to promote critical race theory in all 50 states and 14,…
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@TommyCracker - what are your updated thoughts?
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bUt itS nOt beInG tAugHt iN scHooLsEmbracing critical theory, teacher’s union says they — not parents — control what kids learn
The political left wants critical race theory in every school district in the nation.The nation’s largest teachers union has approved a plan to promote critical race theory in all 50 states and 14,…
@TommyCracker - what are your updated thoughts?
What idiots perceive to be critical race theory (though it isn't) is being taught more than ever before. That's terrific.
I guess I’m glad a union wants SOMETHING done right.
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