Bill Maher on Trans Wars
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He's only influential to the mentally weak.CO is right, Maher is decidedly NOT modern liberal and why people keep saying that is crazy. Here are some of his own words:
Indeed, when asked, he has been explicit about his ideology: “I’m a libertarian,” he said to Rolling Stone (4/13/11). “I would be a Republican if they would. Which means that I like the Barry Goldwater Republican Party, even the Reagan Republican Party.”
“I want a mean old man to watch my money,” he added. “Because government is a sieve that takes as much money as it can and gives it away, usually needlessly.”
The Phony Liberalism of Bill Maher - FAIR
Bill Maher rose from being an “edgy,” opinionated comedian to becoming one of the most influential and recognizable faces in our media. His political talk show, Real Time With Bill Maher, has been on HBO since 2003, spanning 17 seasons with over 500 episodes to date. Real Time continues to be...fair.org
Can you provide examples for the right ? Some examples for the left. Defund the police. Trans issues. Censoring of speech. Covid vaccination policies that discriminated against minorities the most. Covid school closings that discriminated against minorities the most.
I wonder why regional parties never caught on. They fail for president elections. But the needs of the east coast are different than the needs of the south which are different from the rustbelt which is different from the plains. A plains party could represent their specific interests by trading votes with the south, for example.
Instead we elect people who have their first duty to the national party.
The supremes will never go for it, make external contributions illegal. Force the Missouri candidate raise their money in Missouri. That should weaken the power of the party.
Goldwater was far more libertarian, he hated government involvement in almost anything including the Voting Rights Act. Anyone arguing against VRA with federalism wasn't liberal. But it amazes me how many Republicans I meet who say they are libertarian, a fair number really like the Pauls.
I agree in theory but I think there are more divisions. I know I rag incessantly on the progressives and the woke cult but the Republican Party is obviously an odd mix too at the moment - capitalist elites and country boys. Strange bedfellows. We see it here in MO in Hawley and the Gov. Hawley is a snob school lawyer politician while our gov was a sheriff and longtime state rep with no degree. And we have Cori Bush. Cori Bush, Hawley and the gov couldn't be three more polar individuals.
I think it's not regions as much as rural and urban and that's intrastate, then National. Ugh
Parties Change, but not as much as people want to believe. We hear a lot if talk about “cults” from those who mostly oppose the so-called leader of the cult. Almost all Democrats, and many never-trump republicans think that Trump is the GOP and the GOP is Trump. I never bought in to that and still don’t. The GOP has been around a lot longer than Trump and will outlast him. Identifying politics with people is where all this cult nonsense comes from. People who proudly claim they vote for their person and not the party are part of this cult problem. The result is more and more undisciplined chaos like we see now.
Conservatism is a set of principles that is found in writings from people like Kirk, ( not Charlie) Hayek, Burke, and a few others. Conservatism is not Goldwater, not Reagan, not Trump nor any other individual. And conservatism doesn’t need adjectives like “arch,” “extreme,” “social,” or “economic”. Economics and social issues are included, not separate.
Right. Libertarian and conservatism are not the same. Not even branches on the same tree.
I think there are a lot of broad bush commonalities within the GOP. The democrats have always struck me as a conglomerate of diverse interests who cannot admit to being either Republicans or conservatives. Not as much commonality there. Blue collar union guys have nothing in common with ivory tower elites except that they are codependent.
Too many in the GOP are allowing some disagreement to drive disagreement on large issues. Thus we get the concept of RINO, which I dislike and is ultimately counterproductive. Trump is ex “A”. He bitched about Musk after Musk said he is voting Republican. That crap is Trump‘s worse fault. He can’t ever let go of minor shit or irrelevant shit.
Populism is really not a political ideology. I don’t think it’s entirely inconsistent with either liberalism or conservatism. I must admit though that the more academic inexperienced elites we see making decisions in government, the better populism Looks.
He's just blowing smoke out his ass, as usual.
Extreme adherence to a philosophy is dangerous. NAFTA is an example. We exported much of our industrial base and - true confession - I was all for it, because of the 'Free Trade' mantra. What I see now is that it was basically a scheme for corporations to move to cheaper labor. In theory, it's all good, but we'd have been much better implementing 'Fair Trade', which is what Trump advocated.
Same for liberalism and their desire for 'choice'. It's fine to be able to do what you want with your own body, except they forget there is a baby involved. And that desire for 'choice' isn't valid if you want to avoid a vaccine.
That's part of Trump's appeal, I think. He's not wed to a philosophy, but to solutions based on a philosophy which, thankfully, appears to trend conservative.
Depends on the subject, in many areas both main party candidates in '68 we're well left of both candidates in 2020.
That's the point I guess. What is the temporal reference point. I think we were basing it off more recent times. Just an assumption that said Biden'm has proven considerably farther left than most of us expected.
There is a sliding scale on any number of topics. People tend to fall at different places on that scale for different topics. Goldwater represented the more Libertarian part of the "right" coalition. He was economically conservative but his libertarian streak on social types of issue makes him look "liberal" on that stuff. CoH said up above that social conservatives aren't really conservative...I don't really agree with that either.
I think economically that ivegotwinners is an unabashed leftist. That being said, I have seen him taking stances on some social issues that would appear more moderate to conservative. You are going to be hard pressed to find anyone that will fit into any tidy political box. Most of us have a pot luck approach but we tend to pick the party that most closely suits our tastes.
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That's why I'm skeptical of some of the posters on this board. I joke about bots and shills but I genuinely find it hard to believe some people can support every last thing and defend every last thing their party does. It defies both common sense and logic
Or the current GOP is not a classical liberal/conservative party because of the outsized influence of the religious right?
I will not disagree but there are implications we have demands to fit a mold. Aloha has had his Republican and conservative bonafides questioned. The term RINO, one we all have heard, implies a right way to be Republican. Democrats act similarly, there are plenty of "Manchin isn't a Democrat" talk out there.
Conservatives share a general belief in government, but many have exceptions on one thing or another. Few are pure. Same for liberals. There are pro-life liberals even though some reject that is possible.
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Thankfully that influence seems to be waning.
One of my main themes at the Water Cooler is my lamenting about the nation being hopelessly divided politically. Contrary to my thinking is a new book by Morris Fiorina entitled “Unstable Majorities: Polarization, Party Sorting, and Political Stalemate.”
A review of the book in part has this to say,
Contrary to popular belief, America is not polarized. This is one of many stunning assertions in Morris Fiorina’s new book “Unstable Majorities: Polarization, Party Sorting, and Political Stalemate.” How can this be true, one might wonder, given the partisan gridlock that we see and the incivility that we hear on what seems like a daily basis? The answer, it turns out, is in the details.
We, the People, as a general matter, are more nuanced than the political class would have us believe. We still believe in bipartisanship, compromise, and civility. It seems that what is really needed is that we stand up and say this a bit more and a bit louder.
From now on I will be referring to myself as being "more nuanced than the political class"
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A review of the book in part has this to say,
Contrary to popular belief, America is not polarized. This is one of many stunning assertions in Morris Fiorina’s new book “Unstable Majorities: Polarization, Party Sorting, and Political Stalemate.” How can this be true, one might wonder, given the partisan gridlock that we see and the incivility that we hear on what seems like a daily basis? The answer, it turns out, is in the details.
We, the People, as a general matter, are more nuanced than the political class would have us believe. We still believe in bipartisanship, compromise, and civility. It seems that what is really needed is that we stand up and say this a bit more and a bit louder.
From now on I will be referring to myself as being "more nuanced than the political class"
.You have to show your work. What exactly is the "religious right" stopping the GOP from doing? I know people like to say, "well Trumpity, Trump, Trump" these days, but what are people pushing for on the right, particularly the religious right, that is any different than when Reagan was in office?
They still generally support lower taxes, less regulation, anti-abortion, strong military...the Trump stuff is so overplayed.
It's social media. People are more polite (generally) face to face.One of my main themes at the Water Cooler is my lamenting about the nation being hopelessly divided politically. Contrary to my thinking is a new book by Morris Fiorina entitled “Unstable Majorities: Polarization, Party Sorting, and Political Stalemate.”
A review of the book in part has this to say,
Contrary to popular belief, America is not polarized. This is one of many stunning assertions in Morris Fiorina’s new book “Unstable Majorities: Polarization, Party Sorting, and Political Stalemate.” How can this be true, one might wonder, given the partisan gridlock that we see and the incivility that we hear on what seems like a daily basis? The answer, it turns out, is in the details.
We, the People, as a general matter, are more nuanced than the political class would have us believe. We still believe in bipartisanship, compromise, and civility. It seems that what is really needed is that we stand up and say this a bit more and a bit louder.
From now on I will be referring to myself as being "more nuanced than the political class"
Cult? Like MAGA. We don't have one.
You're just making shit up at this point and gaslighting that up is down.
You. Are. In. A. Cult. Scary woke cult. Shape shifters.
Boys have a penis. Girls have a vagina.
He's not free education. I just posted a video of him the other day pissing all over that. He laid out some freaky numbers too.
And you're a sexless socially ineffectual closeted homosexual lizard person that hates women.
Your turn ..
Traditional Conservatism vs Modern Conservatism & Neo-Conservatism
Traditional Conservatism is based on the belief in a limited role for the federal government, traditional
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This is simplistic but it does lay out quite a bit of the three main conservative factions IMO. Social conservatives would be pretty firmly in the "Traditional Conservative" category for the most part.
Wow A fellow earthling. Not many of us left.
I think most liberals across America would watch this and agree with everything Bill said. As he points out, most of the parents in Youngstown, OH don’t have trans kids and this is largely an LA (and similar areas) phenomenon. Now, unfortunately this view is catching on in the media and becoming a social liberal norm, to some extent, but I bet liberals in Youngstown and liberals in Bloomington (where I live) can see this is ridiculous. It’s just like the Kardashians are not to be taken seriously as the model for lifestyle and success. In other words, don’t fear a stupid trend.
Is being homosexual supposed to be an insult? How progressive of you.
Reagan and the Democrat Speaker, Tip O'Neill, were fierce political enemies. But "after six," as Reagan said, they were able to set their differences aside and occasionally raise a glass. They had lunch together from time to time, and always on St. Patrick's Day. Reagan attended O'Neill's good-bye party in 1986 and said: "“Mr. Speaker, I’m grateful you have permitted me in the past and I hope in the future that singular honor — the honor of calling you my friend.”
There is no way that would happen today, and the religious right plays a role in that. Reagan would be demonized and perhaps run out of the party - - for fraternizing with the devil.
Far-right zealots like Doug Mastriano, who believes God has called him to be governor of Pennsylvania, don't view opponents as simply people they disagree with. They're "forces of darkness" - - - in other words, evil. His wife went even further and told the crowd at a rally that Mastriano's opponents are anti-God. "When you’re against God’s plan, there is nothing that will stop it, and they are very worried right now that there is nothing that’s going to stop this," said Rebecca Mastriano.
Mastriano, an election denier and "Stop the Steal"-er who was in Washington on 1/6, has compared himself to Old Testament prophets and the military leaders who commanded the armies of Israel. He's referred to Covid vaccines as "the government's poison" and favored the installation of an "alternate" slate of electors - - contrary to the will of the voters of Pennsylvania - - after Biden carried the state.
Then there are actual far-right preachers like Greg Locke, pastor of a large church in Tennessee with millions of social media followers. Check out his recent unhinged, insane sermon (it's on YouTube) that included loving, Christ-like messages such as, "I’m to the place right now [that] if you vote Democrat, I don’t even want you around this church. You can get out. You get out, you demon. You get out, you baby butchering election thief," Locke screamed. And this: "You cannot be a Christian and vote Democrat in this nation. [Democrats] are God denying demons that butcher babies and hate this nation.” And this: "Let me tell you something. You ain’t seen the insurrection yet! You keep on pushing our buttons, you low-down-sorry-compromisers, you God-hating communists. You’ll find out what the insurrection is, because we ain’t playing your garbage. We ain’t playing your mess."
Guys like Locke are influential. We see increasing evidence of this kind of lunacy, including here on the Cooler.
So, yeah. That's the difference.
You know that anyone inclined could do a tit for tat with you all day on this right?
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