..., & pulled the trigger.
Prop master says he turned down job on ‘Rust’ because it was ‘completely unsafe’
A veteran prop master on Tuesday said he turned down a job working on Alec Baldwin’s film “Rust” after determining the job would be “completely unsafe.”Neal Zorom…thehill.com
Baldwin should be prosecuted for involuntary manslaughter. Sucks but he is the one who pointed the gun
Alec Baldwin fired prop gun that killed woman on film set of Rust
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The fact that someone could use a weapon designated as a movie "prop" for target practice during downtime just makes the armorer even that much more incompetent. WTF. Seems to me the armorer should be in control of the firearms at all times when not filming/rehearsing, and check them each time they leave their hands. This doesn't seem difficult. Hard to believe this person could have been praised by the director if they were allowing pistols to be used for sport during lunch. Sheesh.
Unfortunate quote from Baldwin earlier when talking about making this film: "Baldwin told The Hollywood Reporter that he was elated to work with Souza after missing the opportunity to star in Crown Vic (2019). He compared the screenplay to the 1992 film Unforgiven, and said it was inspired by a true story. When asked about his gun slinging and horse riding skills, he said, "They're always at the ready. I'm an actor of the old school. So if you read my resume – my motorcycle riding, my French, juggling, my horseback riding, my gunplay – is all right at my fingertips at all times."[5]
Lol.
"It will undoubtedly haunt ..."
As it should.
Better to be him now, than Halyna Hutchins.
He has a second chance, she doesn't.
It’s just insane that any form of live ammunition was on the set. How can you blame an actor when they’re handed a gun and was told the gun was checked? Whomever brought live ammunition onto the set should be the one who is prosecuted.Prop master says he turned down job on ‘Rust’ because it was ‘completely unsafe’
A veteran prop master on Tuesday said he turned down a job working on Alec Baldwin’s film “Rust” after determining the job would be “completely unsafe.”Neal Zorom…
Baldwin should be prosecuted for involuntary manslaughter. Sucks but he is the one who pointed the gun
It’s shocking to me they use real guns. Hollywood can‘t simulate a real gun? Even blank guns are only chambered for blanks (can’t accept real ammo), so why not use them?
Also, anyone who’s been around firearms knows the first thing you do when handed a firearm is check the cylinder or breach. As much as I don’t like Baldwin, I would think that responsibility would fall to those who handle the props.
I don't think there is any such thing as a "blank gun." Guns used on movie sets that fire blanks have always been actual firearms.
Now, my question is, what exactly are the qualification for being an armorer on a movie set? And how did this 24 year old obtain such a role?
The main issue remains: The person who fired the gun was the responsible person. If someone hands me a gun, before I do anything with it, I check to see if it's loaded, period. It does not matter where the gun has been or who used it prior to me. I (the user) have the affirmative duty to check the gun before I do anything with it. What was done the gun before it was placed in Alex Baldwin's possession is irrelevant. If Alex Baldwin had followed the most elementary gun safety rules for a gun handler, no death would have occurred. Arguing that somehow someone other Alex Baldwin is responsible is absurd. No one but Alex Baldwin pulled the trigger.
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Her dad was a famous, long time armorer, & this was only her second set she was the head armorer on. Every time I read a new story on that tragic day on set she was killed, it seems there are yet more new accounts of serious gun safety violations that should never have happened.I don't think there is any such thing as a "blank gun." Guns used on movie sets that fire blanks have always been actual firearms.
Now, my question is, what exactly are the qualification for being an armorer on a movie set? And how did this 24 year old obtain such a role?
But the ultimate mistake was by Baldwin, for NOT FIRST checking PERSONALLY to see if that gun was loaded or UNLOADED, BEFORE he pointed at anyone/her, and FIRED that fatal shot that went through her, & hit Souza, sending both to the hospital, where only he returned.
So very many serious mistakes
Why the hell would anyone hire any one of these 3 (Hulls, Baldwin & Reed) ever again?
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I think that nothing his victims have ever done deserves what he did to them both. My sympathies go out to his victims.
A person can be careless with a screwdriver, hammer, toaster or knife, & usually, nothing fatal ever comes of it. You NEVER take ANY chances with any gun/firearm, ESPECIALLY if you plan on 'quick drawing' it, pointing it AT SOMEONE, & PULLING THE TRIGGER, ESPECIALLY, if you FAILED to FIRST CHECK/make SURE that gun was loaded or UNLOADED.
Others on that set (Hulls & Reed) made serious gun safety mistakes that fateful day, BUT ONLY BALDWIN pointed it at SOMEONE & PULLED THE TRIGGER, without FIRST CHECKING to make SURE if it was LOADED or UNLOADED.
Baldwin, Reed & Hulls get more chances, Hutchins doesn't.
Game over
Wrong. I’ve owned “blank guns.”
We have all the blank guns, autos and revolvers
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In addition, it’s possible to disable a “real” firearm into a blank one.
You nailed it, very well done!
Just think if Baldwin's gun had been a machinegun, & not two, but 5/6 people would have been behind that camera. I have nothing against Baldwin or anyone else, but what he did, was totally unnecessary/so very deadly. With what we've read & heard on that crazy/unsafe set lately, this could have happened several times previously, & on different days.
I don't think there is any such thing as a "blank gun." Guns used on movie sets that fire blanks have always been actual firearms.
Now, my question is, what exactly are the qualification for being an armorer on a movie set? And how did this 24 year old obtain such a role?
Her dad was a famous armorer, & this was her second on set head armorer job. I don't think her first armorer job went so well?
Nick Cage
Wait a sec. Maybe I missed it.
Is Crayfish seriously asking why someone else is supposedly an asshole?
I'm guessing this other person doesn't meet Crayfish's high standards to qualify as an asshole. Crayfish should know --after all, he's the best!
I don't see how a prosecutor could show the necessary recklessness or negligence against Baldwin the Actor. If he was told by the AD or the armorer the gun was "cold," and it's procedure for the actor to trust those men on this point, it's a tough case to make. As Baldwin the Actor's lawyer, I would not be expecting any charges.Prop master says he turned down job on ‘Rust’ because it was ‘completely unsafe’
A veteran prop master on Tuesday said he turned down a job working on Alec Baldwin’s film “Rust” after determining the job would be “completely unsafe.”Neal Zorom…
Baldwin should be prosecuted for involuntary manslaughter. Sucks but he is the one who pointed the gun
However, if the procedures themselves are severely lacking - as many people seem to be suggesting - then I would be worried if I were Baldwin the Producer's lawyer. I'm not sure if there would be any criminal liability under New Mexico law, but I have to think it's worth exploring, at least, and I'd bet money that there are plenty of lawyers right now who are finding it worthwhile to explore at least civil liability against Baldwin the Producer.
Doesn't mean they'll get anywhere, of course. But the guy probably has a headache coming his way.
"I don't see how a prosecutor could ..."
Have you ever owned/fired a firearm?
The only difference between Baldwin not PERSONALLY checking to see if his machinegun/bazooka or revolver was completely UNLOADED, that someone just handed him & yelled 'cold machinegun/bazooka/gun', was the damage done/# of deaths involved. One is ONE TOO MANY/UNNECESSARY.
One death in these circumstances is too many/unnecessary, if a little common sense is used by the gun/weapon operator who points & fires a weapon, before PERSONALLY KNOWING that weapon is safe/UNLOADED.
Baldwin, aimed & pulled the trigger of a gun HE FAILED TO CHECK FOR ANNUNITION, not HULLS or Reed.
Hulls & Reed made very, very bad mistakes, but ONLY Baldwin was responsible for aiming a loaded gun in a dangerous location, then pulling that trigger.
'Guns are dangerous, IN THE WRONG HANDS'
Think of it this way. I seriously doubt, & it is HIGHLY UNLKIELY Hulls or Reed would have NOT DOUBLE CHECKED a firearm/gun for ammunition someone had just handed them, & yelled 'cold gun', BEFORE pointing that gun in a dangerous direction, & PULLING THAT TRIGGER, HIGHLY UNLIKELY!
THAT mistake goes on Baldwin, & it cost Hutchins her life.
With firearms, you NEVER take chances when pointing & firing them in a dangerous direction, BEFORE MAKING SURE YOURSELF THAT FIREARM IS TOTALLY SAFE/UNLOADED.
Three people made horrible mistakes that fateful day, but, by far the most deadly mistake was made by Baldwin.
I'm a gun collector, & have over 35 firearms, & have been collecting for over 50 years. I have a revolver similar to what Baldwin used on Rust. It takes about 5-7 seconds, at most, to check/make sure that gun is totally unloaded & safe for pointing & quick drawing.
Baldwin is not unfamiliar with firearms, or revolvers like he used on the Rust set.
5-7 seconds, at most
RIP Mrs. Hutchins
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Not faulting sglowrider or anyone else in particular, just the term 'prop gun' in general/in it's general use for guns/firearms used on movie sets.
One last thing. 'prop gun' is a bad choice of terms to describe a (dangerous) firearm. It often gives a safe & misleading feeling/false sense of security to those using the term, & weapon.
'Prop guns' are/can be just as deadly (& more so, when not knowing their potential & lethality) as non 'prop guns'.
On set or not/off, 'prop gun' gives a false sense of security. Gun/weapon is a better choice of words to use, on set or otherwise.
Btw, only one bullet, & nearly two deaths.
Always know if the firearm you are pulling the trigger on, is actually loaded or not, before pulling that trigger, always.
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She is the daughter of a famous armorer.I don't think there is any such thing as a "blank gun." Guns used on movie sets that fire blanks have always been actual firearms.
Now, my question is, what exactly are the qualification for being an armorer on a movie set? And how did this 24 year old obtain such a role?
Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, 'Rust' Armorer Unpacked
The 24-year-old is the daughter of a veteran armorer who worked as a gun coach and quick draw expert on some Hollywood films.
www.newsweek.com
In theory, the trigger could have caught on something, but yep, he pulled it. I don't think the "went off on its own" will work as a defense.
I think some enterprising comedy writer should do a bit with Trump doing an impression of Baldwin.
"I didn't pull the trigger. Trump did it!"
Can you imagine him talking to his lawyer: Now you listen to me, smart guy. We're going to do this my way, see. I'll say I didn't pull the trigger, see. It wasn't me. It works all the time in the movies, see. Handsome guy like me never gets convicted. Now tell missy over there to top off my coffee before I shoot her Bwahahaha I'm only joking
"Look George, I'm so popular I could probably shoot someone in the middle of a movie set and not lose any roles."
I didn't inhale
I've only had 2 beers
I was just helping that sheep over the fence
Yeah, those didn't work either
Him and Jussie Smollett should start a Lying House reality show - bring in all Hollywood stars and see who can pull off the most stupid lies - let America vote 1 star off each week. Have Twitter and Tick Tock and Facebook groups.
It'd sell.
Joe "No Taxes on the Middle Class" Biden and Donald "I Won The Election" Trump could be on too. Barack "You Can Keep It" Obama could be their team coach.
It could be a dry run tryout for when we elect Presidents by Tweets.
The 3 biggest lies
The check's in the mail.
I'll still respect you in the morning.
I won't cu....never mind.
I'm going to watch that interview. I've always liked Alec Baldwin.
Well George, I'll tell you what's criminal. That not one of these lackeys on set stepped up and said they were the one to shoot. But whatever. I'll deal with it, George.
You forgot "Carole Baskin didn't kill her husband" and "Epstein committed suicide".
Trump was unable to do an impression of a POTUS for 4 years...what makes you think he can do one of Baldwin?
Perhaps they will lay the weapon down in front of the jury, and they'll all stare at it until it "goes off" on its own. You know, as a demo. I wonder how long it will take.
I'm a retired lawyer and a full-time cynic.
Sadly, one of the biggest cases my firm was ever involved in was the San Juan DuPont Plaza fire - a fire started by a couple of knuckle-head Teamsters as they left the building after a strike vote. So when the stories came out about labor troubles on this movie set in the days leading up to the accident, my cynical radar went off.
I hope not, but I will not be surprised IF it turns out some pissed off employee decided to "show them all" and sabotaged the regular safety measures, never believing the WORST thing that COULD happen WOULD happen.
I too like Baldwin as an actor.
I dunno about that. Im still trying to figure out how an SUV causes death and mayhem at a Christmas parade.
It's obviously racism that caused it.I dunno about that. Im still trying to figure out how an SUV causes death and mayhem at a Christmas parade.
