Doesn't really matter if you are the Jew that receives threatening or hateful communications and the programs don't do much about it. Obviously I don't know what happened, but I know the alleged perp wasn't suspended from the team.
Yarden Garzon can F all of the way off
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and again, I'd wager you haven't watched an NBA game in years. The skill level compared to the college game is now on par with NFL vs college. I don't watch because I just don't want something else to distract me on the boob tube, and I prefer the collegial affiliations, but if you appreciate basketball, they're playing it better and have been for awhile now.
College women's games are fine the WNBA is absolutely horrible. I call it all below the rim action, watch the Reece girl jump or should I say attempt to jump and either miss layups or get blocked. She is 6'5 and is stapled to the ground. Watching the game last night and some of the above the rim or at the rim action is unbelievable, made me think of the girl basketball player who was arrested in Russia saying she could beat Demarcus Cousins one on one; it is almost laughable.
Oh well basketball is over for me until November bring on IU Football.
You have absolutely no idea just how offensive and ignorant your post is. So you’re saying becuase she’s Israeli she wouldn’t have any allegiance to IU? Or are you just anti-Semitic or anti Israel. And regarding her expressionless face, I can see how you might take it the wrong way. But let me tell you a little about Israeli’s since I have spent a good amount of time there. They’re just very intense people. Sometimes rude even, but intense and loyal. This isn’t all Jews, but In particular Israeli’s. This same type of attitude translates to how she plays the game of basketball. I have met her multiple times, I have friends who have hosted her for the Sabbath, she spent a weekend at my kids Jewish camp last summer and she’s always had wonderful things to say about her time at IU, being a part of the program and the love and support she’s received from Jews and non Jews in the community. Clearly something happened to change why she would want to leave. I have no idea about the MM rumors, no idea if it’s because most her teammates left. All I can tell you is quit the anti Israel shit and please understand her I’m gonna kill on the basketball floor face is about her intensity and desire to win.
Oh, and regarding picking Maryland. Yea that kinda sucks from a basketball standpoint. I was pretty disappointed to hear that too. But understand as an Israeli (not just and American Jew) it’s way more important she be at a college campus that will support her. Especially given that other than her sister being in the US, her family is all back in Israel. She needs to be a part of a strong Jewish community, but part of school that won’t put up with the anti-Israel/Jewish crap we see in many campuses.
Sounds like Kraft was wanting to get some cheese on his noodle. Ain't gonna happen, never was gonna happen.
That's over the top, Eppy. You don't have to be a bigot to be unhappy with Garzon's decision to leave, or to believe she wasn't all that excited about the Glory of Old IU.
Oh I 100% agree you don’t have to be a bigot to be upset about her decision. I’m purely responding to the posters comments about she being Israeli and was trying to explain why her expressionless face has nothing to do about how she feels about her team. Please re-read his comments. I attacked him for being ignorant more than anything else. I didn’t call him a bigot. I felt I needed to explain more than anything.
No, you questioned whether he was anti semitic. It's no better than Willdog making everything about race.
Read his first line again and then read my response to that. I asked him regarding that statement if he believes she left because she's an Israeli and wouldn't really care about an American school or I asked if he's an anti semite. I didn't just assume the later as you know how sometimes comments can be misunderstood. I think if anything he needs to clarify his statement. And I called him ignorant because of how he interpreted her demeanor and without giving him the benifit of the doubt that his first comment did infact sound anti-semitic.
I am going to be a streaky shooter and play shit defense until Israel leaves Gaza…well…at least until then.
Can't both be true at the sametime, not withstanding the "incident" which I didn't see in previous post.
I have to assume it was my last sentence of, "she got what she come for and now she will market it," was what has raised everyone's hackles. I understand, it's about some who have said, "it's all about the Benjamins". That's not me. I'm an Evangelical Christian who fully knows that my religion depends upon a Jewish Massiah. Jewish people, much like myself, conducts their lives and business with integrity and careful forethought. Her move from IU is simply a mindfull construct toward achieving her personal goals. I hold no animosity for Yarden doing what she felt was in her own best interest. I have always admired the Orthodox Jewish people, their religion requires much more of them than my religion requires of me.
Eh, I think these days EVERYTHING needs an explanation. The standards and thresholds (or lack thereof) these days dictate that I get all the information before labeling anything. Common sense is in ever shorter supply these days.
I also want to point out that get "stern face" could also have come from the fact that she was wearing a bracelet reminding her of the hundreds of Israelis, many that were her own age, that were taken hostage and/or killed. The kid was dealing with a lot.
Could she shoot? Hell yes. Could she guard a fence post? Is it in concrete?
Could she shoot? Hell yes. Could she guard a fence post? Is it in concrete?
Not to mention Yarden’s twin sister is serving in the Israeli military. A whole lot on her plate besides basketball.
You conflate a lack of allegiance to IU because she's a foreigner, in this case Israeli, with being antisemitic and/or anti-Israel? That makes absolutely zero sense and reeks of someone trying way too hard to be a victim first rather than understand what is really being said. Or maybe it's not quite that level but is certainly a shoot (respond) first ask questions later approach that isn't necessary.
Is it really hard to imagine someone not being invested in IU like we are because they're from a foreign land that likely doesn't have people who value it - even conceive of it in any way - like we do here? Even if you don't agree with the premise, it's easy to understand and should be similarly easy to understand that it is not in any way antisemitic or anti-Israel.
What if she was a Croatian player? Just substitute Croatia for Israel. You wouldn't be ripping the buttons off your shirt screaming about anti-Croatianisms would you? Of course not.
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Athletic director apathy. Versyp was left to rot after it became clear she was not able to coach at a Big Ten power school. Then Gearlds was hired from NAIA Marion simply because she was a former player and the AD, Bobo the clown doesn't care how horribly she does as long as he doesn't have to pay attention to the program. Its a very sad state of affairs for the only Big Ten women's bball team to ever win the NCAA.
Losing your last good player off the team makes it nearly impossible for Moren to attract top end players. In the women's game it takes talent to attract talent, and IU is running on near empty with many/most of the best portal players alreadyoff the market and IU still needs 8-10 players just to field a team next year. I can almost guarantee IU doesn't get faster or better thru this exodus, and the rebuild will be long and arduous.
Actually if you read my response I asked the question to gain a better understanding of what he meant. I understand sometimes the message is lost in translation. And because I am Jewish I did respond. But to your point if she was Croatian I wouldn’t have had the same response but someone from Croatia may have.
I think I was completely in the right to question his motivation to his response. It came off as anti-Semitic and anti Israel. It doesn’t matter what you think because you’re not Jewish and what matters is how the person affected would feel. Just like if a parent was verbally abusing a kid. What matters is how the victim feels.
As I mentioned he may not have meant it that way and I asked if he’d clarify. I generally give the benefit of the doubt. As for calling him ignorant that was directed towards making an assumption that she didn’t like her teammates or whatever he said regarding her enjoyment of being a Hoosier. I addressed that with what I know about Israeli’s and the experiences of being around her, my kids experience the multiple people I know that have hosted her for dinners.
Again In my response I asked you to clarify what you meant. If you had felt someone was making a hateful comment about your religion or people I have a hard time believing you wouldn’t have been irritated too. But in fairness I asked you to respond which you did.Um, I think he would rend his buttons off his garment.
I was satisfied with what you said so to me this is a closed issue. But I do get annoyed when someone thinks I don’t have the right to question what someone had said. As it’s offensive to me and I felt would have been offensive towards Yarden.
And if any of you guys know me from the AOTF and Water Cooler, I’m probably one of the more light hearted non-confrontational posters. I don’t like confrontation and even though I lean more left-middle I always try to make our conversations respectful and give the person a chance to make their point. I always look forward to a great thread and I don’t hold any grudges against anyone….oh except @Mas-sa-suta because he’s a full blown Holocaust denier and does hate Jews. I’m pretty sure he has me blocked.
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You are not likely to find a more pro Israel person that is not an Orthodox Jew than I.
I appreciate that. But do know I don’t give a blind free pass to all of Israel’s policies. We won’t talk about that here though. I prefer sticking to our mutual interest of IU basketball.
What is done is done, now you use this to try to upgrade your athletic ability. Nobody said it would be easy, good luck to Coach Moren hopefully she can find players she can win with and go on doing great things.
Oh and here is to Garzon, good luck I hope the Terps do not win a single game.
Why are you so concerned about IU women's basketball? You seem to be fixated. I could not care less about Purdue's team. Are you still sick?
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OK, read the following and tell me what you think.
In my opinion you couldn't be more wrong when you say it doesn't matter what I think and all that matters is how the victim feels. That gives license to fake outrage and professional victimization. Context and especially comprehension matters. If it doesn't then you have blanket approval for hysterical, disproportionate reactions like, in my opinion, the one you had.
I think you took something that was innocuous and interpreted it incorrectly and then put a lot of venom behind your incorrect interpretation. The things you accused him of, antisemitism on top of ignorance is a very grave accusation. In the workplace someone could get fired for that without a solitary drop of due process. Don't you think in situations like that you should go out of your way to understand the statements before launching into those kinds of accusations? I do.
Maybe he will go to Maryland.
That's not true. I'm not complaining either because it doesn't matter to me if folks want to support women's basketball or not. I watch all Mavs games and plenty other NBA games or NCAA mens games. I cannot stick with the womens game after 5 or so minutes and the local team made the FF. Maybe had they made the title game I could of watched an entire game. I don't buy better fundamentals either. Games are on 2 different levels. I'll be looking for a Jazz/Wizards game when that 5 minutes expires or if you want to keep the topic on women, a volleyball game. I believe Maddie Fn Skinner, Zoe fleck and Melanie Parra are far more exciting than any women's basketball player i have seen.
Why can’t both of those be true? Think the incident happened quite awhile ago.Can't both be true at the sametime, not withstanding the "incident" which I didn't see in previous post.
I have to assume it was my last sentence of, "she got what she come for and now she will market it," was what has raised everyone's hackles. I understand, it's about some who have said, "it's all about the Benjamins". That's not me. I'm an Evangelical Christian who fully knows that my religion depends upon a Jewish Massiah. Jewish people, much like myself, conducts their lives and business with integrity and careful forethought. Her move from IU is simply a mindfull construct toward achieving her personal goals. I hold no animosity for Yarden doing what she felt was in her own best interest. I have always admired the Orthodox Jewish people, their religion requires much more of them than my religion requires of me.
You're not who I'm talking about. I'm talking about folks who complain about "boring women's bball" or the lazy NBA game, but never actually get around to trying to watch a game. I think you'd agree, the NBA game is light years better than what it was in the 80s and 90s. I don't think you're being fair to women's ball, but at least you've watched. We've had great teams of late and Mackenzie Holmes, Chloe Moore McNeil, Grace Berger, Syd Parrish and Sara Scalia were all fun to watch and far better fundamentally than what we've seen on our men's side in reent years.
I don't agree at all that the NBA game is light years better than the 80's and 90's. IMO, team basketball was better then. It's different game now. A lot of the rules have been bastardized to favor the offense. There is more parity now, if that means anything. Shooters from all positions. I like the evolution of more 2 way players to play both sides of the ball. Sometimes, I'll just watch guy like D. Lively handle switches between 2-3 players so well. Still, the run and gun 3's is ugly basketball. Those Rocket/Warriors series were the worst. Really think the NBA should drop the 3 with all the shooters now. Who cares how quick a lead can be wiped out. It is easier to build a bigger lead with the 3 also. A basket is a basket. The floor spacing is the most important aspect of the 25 or so jumper.
Go watch a Bulls/Suns game and tell me that is worse basketball than now. What i do like now is the trend to 2 way players and I think that is an improvement over the past. The bad teams are typically really young teams. Back then a really bad team was often a bunch old vets. 90's Mavs were tough to watch except for a brief year or so with Kidd, Jackson, Mash. I'd rather watch the young upcoming guys lose while developing their games.
IMO, I feel the length/speed/athleticism defensively of the mens game disrupts the fundamentals. Just because IU has been so mediocre doesn't mean the rest of college basketball is. In that aspect, I think the poster above makes a good point about the game being slow being a negative. More points scored doesn't always equate to a faster game. Maybe faster than years ago and I can see the women's skill level have improved. The below the basket game in the paint makes it feel like a 6 foot and under rec league. Not saying it is not entertaining but not enough to keep me from to men's game or a volleyball game (pro or college).
Totally agree, I've tried to watch women's basketball the past few years and it is just very difficult. The athletic ability is different, the game is played 3 inches off the floor as opposed to 30 like the men's game. There are numerous missed layups and the speed and ability to separate are terrible.
Regarding NBA today as opposed to the 80-90's, two totally different games and IMO the game was better in the 80-90's even if the overall player talent is not. One thing that is consistent in the NBA decade to decade is the fact they let the players get away with everything to enhance the offense.
I don't know if you watch HS boys basketball, but a lot of people I know that offer the same complaints about WBB regularly attend boys HS games, so that's where this critique loses me when coming from them.
More of a general statement about the program than about Yardon specifically, but I thought worth sharing from Seth Tow's story today about new transfer Pheonix Stotijn:
“They were really honest about it, which I really appreciated because some coaches just try and get it out the way,” Stotijn said. “But they kept talking about it, and they were really honest. It was like, everybody had a different experience and everything. So they just honestly told me what the situation was for everyone. So I knew exactly (what was happening).”
Stotijn also talked to some of those IU players who entered the portal, to get their perspective while feeling everything out about the program. She said none of those outbound transfers said anything bad about Indiana, and none left on bad terms. Stotijn also connected with Lenée Beaumont, who she said was also open about Indiana’s future and helped her feel comfortable.
https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/fou...totijn-landed-with-indiana-womens-basketball/
“They were really honest about it, which I really appreciated because some coaches just try and get it out the way,” Stotijn said. “But they kept talking about it, and they were really honest. It was like, everybody had a different experience and everything. So they just honestly told me what the situation was for everyone. So I knew exactly (what was happening).”
Stotijn also talked to some of those IU players who entered the portal, to get their perspective while feeling everything out about the program. She said none of those outbound transfers said anything bad about Indiana, and none left on bad terms. Stotijn also connected with Lenée Beaumont, who she said was also open about Indiana’s future and helped her feel comfortable.
https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/fou...totijn-landed-with-indiana-womens-basketball/
When my daughters cheered I watched some HS girls and it was tough to watch. My critique is watching college basketball, again I watched IU play for a few years just never could get over the top into it but rooted like hell for them to win.
I cannot imagine watching any HS sports if I didn’t have a kid on the team.
