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Word on Jaylin Lucas?

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Any rumors on where he is looking? I know that his numbers weren't of the chart but I think that's more of a problem with the offense, particularly Bell.

The kid is a game breaker and we need him to stay.
 
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Lucas might be the most overhyped player in the history of the program. He's a great kickoff returner, but he has not been sure handed enough to handle punts, dropped a ridiculous number of passes, and is afraid to get hit as a running back. The new staff might be able to fix him, but there has been a hype versus performance gap.
 
Lucas might be the most overhyped player in the history of the program. He's a great kickoff returner, but he has not been sure handed enough to handle punts, dropped a ridiculous number of passes, and is afraid to get hit as a running back. The new staff might be able to fix him, but there has been a hype versus performance gap.
I'd like to see what the new staff could do with him.
 
Lucas might be the most overhyped player in the history of the program. He's a great kickoff returner, but he has not been sure handed enough to handle punts, dropped a ridiculous number of passes, and is afraid to get hit as a running back. The new staff might be able to fix him, but there has been a hype versus performance gap.
I guess I don't recall him dropping a lot of passes and yeah he probably shouldn't be fielding punts. From this past season I remember him getting thrown balls out in the flat when there were already two defenders ready to flatten him or running the ball up the gut. When he had some space he usually did something. It's all in how you use him and his ability to take it to the house is unique. He's not a huge loss but I'd still like to have him back. A smart staff could do some good things with him. His speed and elusiveness is hard to find.
 
I don’t agree that Jaylin is overhyped. Rather, I would say his skill set was over utilized. He is arguably the best return specialist in the nation and even though he did hurt us a few times with drops those are correctable with good coaching. So, the hype in that regard is real.

He provides very little value offensively though from the RB position. He reminds me of a poor man’s Marcus Thigpen. I think he needs to move to slot WR to increase his value and is used similar to Whop. I don’t think he has a future at RB unless he bulks up a lot more, but he will get looks as a return specialist anywhere he goes. He is a game changer in that aspect and for that reason I hope he stays. I think it comes down to how willing he is to hear the truth. If other teams are selling him on playing RB and that’s where he wants to stay they may have a leg up even if it’s just a ploy to get him on the roster to return punts and kicks.

Right now I’m more focused on Cam Camper than anyone else followed by Phillip Dunnam and JL. I’m not sure why Camper isn’t getting the same hype as other WRs when he was by far our best when healthy. If he can get his body right and make it a full season I think he has a chance to get drafted. Fingers crossed.
 
He's another one I'd try to see if a special NIL package could be brought together to keep him as a Kick Off Return Specialist... Its tough to spend that scholarship on a guy who hasn't shown he can help you in any other way consistently but would definitely be great to have back as a ((Ultra) Preferred Walk-On....

Before I get ripped for it:

The term (Ultra) Preferred Walk-On doesn't exist anywhere except in my imagination but "as far as I know" there's no rule (yet) that says it can't be done....

I'd like to see the same approach taken with JMU's Long Snapper and our Kicking Off Specialist...

Just seems like common sense to me... Bring in guys who can most likely help us in some way who you can't afford to spend a scholarship on this calendar year (that might be different next year)...
 
I don’t agree that Jaylin is overhyped. Rather, I would say his skill set was over utilized. He is arguably the best return specialist in the nation and even though he did hurt us a few times with drops those are correctable with good coaching. So, the hype in that regard is real.

He provides very little value offensively though from the RB position. He reminds me of a poor man’s Marcus Thigpen. I think he needs to move to slot WR to increase his value and is used similar to Whop. I don’t think he has a future at RB unless he bulks up a lot more, but he will get looks as a return specialist anywhere he goes. He is a game changer in that aspect and for that reason I hope he stays. I think it comes down to how willing he is to hear the truth. If other teams are selling him on playing RB and that’s where he wants to stay they may have a leg up even if it’s just a ploy to get him on the roster to return punts and kicks.

Right now I’m more focused on Cam Camper than anyone else followed by Phillip Dunnam and JL. I’m not sure why Camper isn’t getting the same hype as other WRs when he was by far our best when healthy. If he can get his body right and make it a full season I think he has a chance to get drafted. Fingers crossed.
“When healthy” is the key. I’m not sure how many other programs will want to spend a scholarship and NIL on a player who hasn’t played a full season for two years
 
His kick returns alone make him a valuable piece. Not sure I trust him on punts anymore, but I could definitely see him as a slot receiver. Design plays to get him in space and see what happens. Even 5 yard slants might be game breakers. Why the genius mind of walter bell thought it was smart to run 6-10 dives a game still baffles me.
 
“When healthy” is the key. I’m not sure how many other programs will want to spend a scholarship and NIL on a player who hasn’t played a full season for two years
I think he'd be worth the NIL money even if he were only available as a "pitch count" backup who only ended up playing 30% of the available snaps for us because even in that limited time he's a 20+ yard pickup threat every time he's a legit target...

In my opinion, we really can't afford not to try to bring Camper back in some fashion...
 
“When healthy” is the key. I’m not sure how many other programs will want to spend a scholarship and NIL on a player who hasn’t played a full season for two years
His problems go back to last year when he was ridden like a rented mule. The past season he came back too soon and never was right. I would love to have him back with others like dmac to share the load I think he would be great.
 
He's another one I'd try to see if a special NIL package could be brought together to keep him as a Kick Off Return Specialist... Its tough to spend that scholarship on a guy who hasn't shown he can help you in any other way consistently but would definitely be great to have back as a ((Ultra) Preferred Walk-On....

Before I get ripped for it:

The term (Ultra) Preferred Walk-On doesn't exist anywhere except in my imagination but "as far as I know" there's no rule (yet) that says it can't be done....

I'd like to see the same approach taken with JMU's Long Snapper and our Kicking Off Specialist...

Just seems like common sense to me... Bring in guys who can most likely help us in some way who you can't afford to spend a scholarship on this calendar year (that might be different next year)...
You truly live in your own little world
 
Jaylin is definitely overhyped as a RB. He’s as advertised as a kick returner.

But I can count on one hand the number of times he actually made a cut to turn upfield on a run play and did something.

Everything else was trying to get to the edge. And for the speed he’s got, he hardly ever was able to actually win the race to the corner and turn/burn.
 
Deuce Vaughn, Darren Sproles, college football rushing leader Donnel Pumphrey all had rushing success as guys Jaylin's height or shorter with similar burst. Lucas needs to put on some weight but I believe that he can be at least a two down back for the Hoosiers with the right play calling. He also had 45 receptions as a high schooler so he clearly has hands, I think his rhythm was off all season and really hoping he comes back and proves the doubters wrong.
 
Deuce Vaughn, Darren Sproles, college football rushing leader Donnel Pumphrey all had rushing success as guys Jaylin's height or shorter with similar burst. Lucas needs to put on some weight but I believe that he can be at least a two down back for the Hoosiers with the right play calling. He also had 45 receptions as a high schooler so he clearly has hands, I think his rhythm was off all season and really hoping he comes back and proves the doubters wrong.
Height is definitely not the issue. You missed one of the best to ever do it. Barry Sanders is 5’8. With that said I don’t see Jaylin with the same skill set as any of those guys. Would love to be wrong though.
 
Deuce Vaughn, Darren Sproles, college football rushing leader Donnel Pumphrey all had rushing success as guys Jaylin's height or shorter with similar burst. Lucas needs to put on some weight but I believe that he can be at least a two down back for the Hoosiers with the right play calling. He also had 45 receptions as a high schooler so he clearly has hands, I think his rhythm was off all season and really hoping he comes back and proves the doubters wrong.
Do you know how much weight he would have to put on in order to be even remotely close to the people you mentioned? Those dudes were bowling balls with speed
 
Deuce Vaughn, Darren Sproles, college football rushing leader Donnel Pumphrey all had rushing success as guys Jaylin's height or shorter with similar burst. Lucas needs to put on some weight but I believe that he can be at least a two down back for the Hoosiers with the right play calling. He also had 45 receptions as a high schooler so he clearly has hands, I think his rhythm was off all season and really hoping he comes back and proves the doubters wrong.
Yeah he dropped a few, but who on this team didn't? Seems like more often than not he was used as a decoy; he wasn't thrown to that often.
 
It's a two way street.

Coach Cig has to want a player to return as much as the player to return.

Not saying that's the case here, but not everyone that has entered the portal has a welcome back so to speak.
Yes, it is a case of if coaches want them back and the players want to come back. We don't know what the coaches want and we must trust coaches to get the players that can win in 2024.
 
Height is definitely not the issue. You missed one of the best to ever do it. Barry Sanders is 5’8. With that said I don’t see Jaylin with the same skill set as any of those guys. Would love to be wrong though.
I assume you're talking about his shiftiness with cuts. We've seen him to that before and I guess I'm optimistic that coaching can help him work that into how he runs. He also had a lot of rushes early in the season while Bell was OC, 49 with Bell vs 18 with Carey. The OL improved over the course of Carey running the offense and Lucas could have benefited from that.

Comparing someone to Barry would be very rare, dude was in his own lane.

Do you know how much weight he would have to put on in order to be even remotely close to the people you mentioned? Those dudes were bowling balls with speed
Listed height and weight on their college pages:

Jaylin Lucas: 5'9" 170
Deuce Vaughn: 5'6" 176
Darren Sproles: 5'7" 180
Donnel Pumphrey: 5'9" 180

Obviously they don't always play at listed height and weight, and the numbers are usually buffed a bit, but I think it's closer than you expected. 15 pounds puts him in line with the rest of the guys and isn't inconceivable for a college player. He won't be a Blake Corum (5' 8" 213) or Cody Schrader (5'9" 214) but I think a comparison to the guys I mentioned is fair.

I really believe Lucas has the ability to take the next step at running back though I hope he can take a step both at rushing and receiving. How about we bring Dana Holgorsen in as an offensive analyst and have him tell Shanahan exactly how to make Lucas into Tavon Austin-lite?
 
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I assume you're talking about his shiftiness with cuts. We've seen him to that before and I guess I'm optimistic that coaching can help him work that into how he runs. He also had a lot of rushes early in the season while Bell was OC, 49 with Bell vs 18 with Carey. The OL improved over the course of Carey running the offense and Lucas could have benefited from that.

Comparing someone to Barry would be very rare, dude was in his own lane.


Listed height and weight on their college pages:

Jaylin Lucas: 5'9" 170
Deuce Vaughn: 5'6" 176
Darren Sproles: 5'7" 180
Donnel Pumphrey: 5'9" 180

Obviously they don't always play at listed height and weight, and the numbers are usually buffed a bit, but I think it's closer than you expected. 15 pounds puts him in line with the rest of the guys and isn't inconceivable for a college player. He won't be a Blake Corum (5' 8" 213) or Cody Schrader (5'9" 214) but I think a comparison to the guys I mentioned is fair.

I really believe Lucas has the ability to take the next step at running back though I hope he can take a step both at rushing and receiving. How about we bring Dana Holgorsen in as an offensive analyst and have him tell Shanahan exactly how to make Lucas into Tavon Austin-lite?
Holy hell that’s what they list Lucas at? I stood next to him at the mall in August and he’s not a bit over 5’7” 150lbs IMO.
 
I assume you're talking about his shiftiness with cuts. We've seen him to that before and I guess I'm optimistic that coaching can help him work that into how he runs. He also had a lot of rushes early in the season while Bell was OC, 49 with Bell vs 18 with Carey. The OL improved over the course of Carey running the offense and Lucas could have benefited from that.

Comparing someone to Barry would be very rare, dude was in his own lane.


Listed height and weight on their college pages:

Jaylin Lucas: 5'9" 170
Deuce Vaughn: 5'6" 176
Darren Sproles: 5'7" 180
Donnel Pumphrey: 5'9" 180

Obviously they don't always play at listed height and weight, and the numbers are usually buffed a bit, but I think it's closer than you expected. 15 pounds puts him in line with the rest of the guys and isn't inconceivable for a college player. He won't be a Blake Corum (5' 8" 213) or Cody Schrader (5'9" 214) but I think a comparison to the guys I mentioned is fair.

I really believe Lucas has the ability to take the next step at running back though I hope he can take a step both at rushing and receiving. How about we bring Dana Holgorsen in as an offensive analyst and have him tell Shanahan exactly how to make Lucas into Tavon Austin-lite?
Lucas is not a Big Ten quality Running Back... He can't break tackles and he was a worse pass blocker then he was an inside runner (which is saying something because he looked like he wasn't strong enough to break an egg when he was attempting to run inside)...
 
Holy hell that’s what they list Lucas at? I stood next to him at the mall in August and he’s not a bit over 5’7” 150lbs IMO.
Yeah measurables on site definitely are fudged from on the field or in the mall. New S&C coach might have a plan which is part of what I'd like to see.
Lucas is not a Big Ten quality Running Back... He can't break tackles and he was a worse pass blocker then he was an inside runner (which is saying something because he looked like he wasn't strong enough to break an egg when he was attempting to run inside)...
I'll hold off on thinking he's not B1G caliber yet. Penn State has offered him as have several other P4 schools.

New coaching staff makes me optimistic for all of our players, especially ones that withdraw from the portal. Means that they're bought in. Plus, it's 1 of 85 scholarships for a plus KR player that twice a year can make an instant game changing play and has the upside of improving on second most yards from scrimmage on The Anemic 2023 Hoosier Offense brought to you by Bell & Carey. Keeping an All-American is worth the NIL.
 
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How many of those BYU walkons were previously on full scholarship, and then demoted to walk on status?
I wasn't referring to Lucas, but more along the lines that he mentioned-long snappers and kickers. Washington's kicker did not get a scholarship until game 11 after beating Oregon State. There are quality players out there that would consider a bottom tier P5 over lesser conferences if tuition & housing were covered. However? It does take away from the NIL pool which ours is not at the top to start.
 
Yeah measurables on site definitely are fudged from on the field or in the mall. New S&C coach might have a plan which is part of what I'd like to see.

I'll hold off on thinking he's not B1G caliber yet. Penn State has offered him as have several other P4 schools.

New coaching staff makes me optimistic for all of our players, especially ones that withdraw from the portal. Means that they're bought in. Plus, it's 1 of 85 scholarships for a plus KR player that twice a year can make an instant game changing play and has the upside of improving on second most yards from scrimmage on The Anemic 2023 Hoosier Offense brought to you by Bell & Carey. Keeping an All-American is worth the NIL.
He's a top FBS level Kick Returner period and teams that have the luxury of already being 3 deep in future starters at nearly every position can afford to spend a scholarship on just a Kick Off Returner. We don't have that type of depth yet and need every scholarship available to go to key positions on both sides of the ball who are going to play more than 5 or 6 snaps a game (if we're not doing well)...

He was given every opportunity to show that he was more than just a Returner last fall and was the major reason Bells Offense was "anemic"... When Carey reduced his touches our Offensive production flourished in comparison to Bells...

I hope we can find a way to entice him back as an (Ultra) Walk-On with his scholarship value being replaced by real cash... I don't believe we can afford to spend one of our last 18 or so scholarships on him while we're still trying to fill out the two deep on both sides of the ball...
 
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