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Is what I want next year. I think it will happen. Archie is not an idiot, really understands basketball and obviously is obsessing about not doing well.

When he said at the Catalina Wine Mixer that no1 was more mad about the results more than the man he looks at in the mirror every morning, and he gets a stern talking to daily..... paraphrasing. Now there are a lot of used car salesman coaches that might have said that and I would think they are just selling some BS. I didn't think that about Archie. I bought it, and believe he is gonna win this year. I have listened to him enough, he isn't full of shit.

If he doesn't win next year there won't be an excuse, I mean the whole team probably gets hurt because that just seems to be IU's luck, and the notorious IU nation will find and arguably valid excuse. For once lets start trending in the other direction.

This program has suffered enough. Coach is back, he is coming to the Hall and the curse will be lifted.
 
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I honestly think you guys can and will make the tournament. Depending on the matchup, you could make it out of the first weekend. Archie is a very good coach. I think you have a nice core of guys. And tjd is the center piece for that. He’s going to be a really good player, and if the other guys step up it could be a good season for Indiana. Archie has proven he can hang with the big boys by beating Michigan st twice. I think you will also beat Michigan, as well as Ohio state atleast once this yr.
 
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I hope so. Different team but it should be a lot stronger inside and 3 veteran returning guards.

If they don't get to the line, if they don't make free throws, if they take a lot of ill advised 3's, and if they flat out don't compete and look easy to guard on offense, then it will be easy to blame coaching after 3 seasons.

But I'd rather just go with the idea that they will play tough and have the depth to compete all season.
 
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Wall2Boogie said:
I honestly think you guys can and will make the tournament. Depending on the matchup, you could make it out of the first weekend. Archie is a very good coach. I think you have a nice core of guys. And tjd is the center piece for that. He’s going to be a really good player, and if the other guys step up it could be a good season for Indiana. Archie has proven he can hang with the big boys by beating Michigan st twice. I think you will also beat Michigan, as well as Ohio state atleast once this yr.
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You post more here then IU fans. Get a job bum.
 
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GregHaggard said:
There is every reason to doubt success next season, but I'm optimistic for no good reason.
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There are lots of reasons why IU should do well next season. I doubt that they will not make the NCAAT. And they will be very competitive in the B1G.
 
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Explain how iu is going to be any better after losing a lottery pick and a all big ten center? After only getting TJD and is aaram Franklins body ready for big ten play (yes I butchered that)
 
Boiler2205 said:
Explain how iu is going to be any better after losing a lottery pick and a all big ten center? After only getting TJD and is aaram Franklins body ready for big ten play (yes I butchered that)
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I don't know but they better be, hopefully less injuries and a better front court.
 
Boiler2205 said:
Explain how iu is going to be any better after losing a lottery pick and a all big ten center? After only getting TJD and is aaram Franklins body ready for big ten play (yes I butchered that)
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Romeo Langford was a cancer to IU. I wish he never would have came here. The only positive he gave IU was in perception, in that a top recruit committed to IU.

He was Archie Millers first big recruit, and Archie handled it very poorly. Years from now, when we win some things and make a final four or 2, I fully expect him to admit it and share what he did wrong and how it changed his strategy moving forward.

Romeo caused so much chemistry issues. Shooting the most threes on the team and having the worst 3% ever in IU history are a bad mix. Again, Archie should have never let Romeo shoot that much, but I give him a pass in it being his first time with this kind of player.

Next year there is going to be much more of a team feel. The collection of talent is pretty similar, with a lot of what I would call B and C players in college basketball. Archie did great at Dayton with a bunch of C players, making them play together. I think we see that this year but with a bump in talent from what he had at Dayton.
 
Cavanagh.6 said:
Romeo Langford was a cancer to IU. I wish he never would have came here. The only positive he gave IU was in perception, in that a top recruit committed to IU.

He was Archie Millers first big recruit, and Archie handled it very poorly. Years from now, when we win some things and make a final four or 2, I fully expect him to admit it and share what he did wrong and how it changed his strategy moving forward.

Romeo caused so much chemistry issues. Shooting the most threes on the team and having the worst 3% ever in IU history are a bad mix. Again, Archie should have never let Romeo shoot that much, but I give him a pass in it being his first time with this kind of player.

Next year there is going to be much more of a team feel. The collection of talent is pretty similar, with a lot of what I would call B and C players in college basketball. Archie did great at Dayton with a bunch of C players, making them play together. I think we see that this year but with a bump in talent from what he had at Dayton.
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Lol.

Cancer? IU wins 10 games last year without Romeo. If there was any knock on Romeo last year it's that he wasn't aggressive enough. He averaged 17 ppg on only 12 shot attempts. A high volume scorer like Romeo should have easily taken 15+ a game if not 20. But he played within the system and his numbers weren't as good as they could have been (and they were damn good for a true freshman with not much of a supporting cast).
 
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Boiler2205 said:
Explain how iu is going to be any better after losing a lottery pick and a all big ten center? After only getting TJD and is aaram Franklins body ready for big ten play (yes I butchered that)
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Because every season is it's own beast.

It's how we can have a disappointing season in 1988, lost two NBA picks who were vital to our title in 87, and return only role players and some talented freshman....and have a much better year in 1989.

It's how you can lose the national POY in Biggie (who put up Duncan numbers) but be better the following year.

Then after losing major starters can regroup with experienced role players and one superstar and have the season you had last year.

Romeo and Morgan are leaving behind a roster that is now more experienced and only has three players who are not 4 stars or higher (Durham, Green and Franklin).

It's a balanced roster, it's more experienced and it's talented.

We finally have some beef down low and we have decent guards...that's a good combination.
 
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Cavanagh.6 said:
Romeo Langford was a cancer to IU. I wish he never would have came here. The only positive he gave IU was in perception, in that a top recruit committed to IU.

He was Archie Millers first big recruit, and Archie handled it very poorly. Years from now, when we win some things and make a final four or 2, I fully expect him to admit it and share what he did wrong and how it changed his strategy moving forward.

Romeo caused so much chemistry issues. Shooting the most threes on the team and having the worst 3% ever in IU history are a bad mix. Again, Archie should have never let Romeo shoot that much, but I give him a pass in it being his first time with this kind of player.

Next year there is going to be much more of a team feel. The collection of talent is pretty similar, with a lot of what I would call B and C players in college basketball. Archie did great at Dayton with a bunch of C players, making them play together. I think we see that this year but with a bump in talent from what he had at Dayton.
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I wouldn't go as far to say Romeo was a cancer, but I do believe Archie handled him poorly.
I cant wrap my head around how much time Romeo spent standing in the corner doing nothing. He seemed to light his fire at certain moments in a game when we were losing momentum or had to have a bucket.
If he had played with that energy every minute he was on the floor, I believe things would have turned out different.
 
Steeler31 said:
I wouldn't go as far to say Romeo was a cancer, but I do believe Archie handled him poorly.
I cant wrap my head around how much time Romeo spent standing in the corner doing nothing. He seemed to light his fire at certain moments in a game when we were losing momentum or had to have a bucket.
If he had played with that energy every minute he was on the floor, I believe things would have turned out different.
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I felt like IU played best when they were down enough that the gameplan went out the window...were down enough that the pace had to speed up, and players played fluidly amd w athleticism.
 
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cryano said:
you guys mean that like Walk away with Archie...like March on w Archie outta here...
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I’m sure this post will get the usual positive response your posts get. You decided to go into turd mode 2 years in on IU’s basketball coach and are somehow reveling in it. To top it off, you’e not very bright or funny. Please stop.
 
cryano said:
I felt like IU played best when they were down enough that the gameplan went out the window...were down enough that the pace had to speed up, and players played fluidly amd w athleticism.
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Here you are talking about “gameplan” like you tried talking about “in game” strategy. Lol. Well, you didn’t exactly talk about it. It was more you just typing “in game” over and over again. Reminded me of a toddler saying “car” over and over again. They can say the word but that’s about it.

But please breakdown more inbound plays if you find time. That was good stuff. Lol.
 
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Here you are talking about “gameplan” like you tried talking about “in game” strategy. Lol. Well, you didn’t exactly talk about it. It was more you just typing “in game” over and over again. Reminded me of a toddler saying “car” over and over again. They can say the word but that’s about it.

But please breakdown more inbound plays again if you find time. That was good stuff. Lol.
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Plowing the work fields w thoroughbreds...

Didnt know how to use his roster...poorly coached.
 
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Lol. Here you go again.
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You are a sheep Hondo...its sad...
 
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Lol.

Cancer? IU wins 10 games last year without Romeo. If there was any knock on Romeo last year it's that he wasn't aggressive enough. He averaged 17 ppg on only 12 shot attempts. A high volume scorer like Romeo should have easily taken 15+ a game if not 20. But he played within the system and his numbers weren't as good as they could have been (and they were damn good for a true freshman with not much of a supporting cast).
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It's amazing 2 people can look at the same situation and see something entirely different. Despite an injured thumb, wasn't Romeo the leading 1st year scorer in the Big 10? And, the things I read that were stated by his TEAMMATES said he was a very good team member.
 
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It's amazing 2 people can look at the same situation and see something entirely different. Despite an injured thumb, wasn't Romeo the leading 1st year scorer in the Big 10? And, the things I read that were stated by his TEAMMATES said he was a very good team member.
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He also was the big ten leading freshmen in shots taken. Actually Iggy had more points then Romeo for the season. He played in his post season tournament..... You know what he also did, took about 50 shots less to get those points.

It amazes me that in the day in age of analytics how people keep using romeos scoring numbers as a positive. These IU fans were for sure fans of Mello in NYC and Russ 2 years ago when he was the MVP. They put up their numbers and their team sucked donkey balls. Congrats!!!

Lets talk about his off the ball activity, maybe the worst I have ever seen at IU. Couple that with not having emotion while you stand around looking like you don't give a F. Kinda made me irratated, but if he scored 17 going 5-9 from the line, 2-9 from three and, and 3-7 from the field he had a great game ya!

His shooting percentages were awful, literally the worst 3 point shooter in IU history. I can't hammer this home it looks like. people cannot get over well he scored 17 points a game....

IndyResident16 said:
Lol.

Cancer? IU wins 10 games last year without Romeo. If there was any knock on Romeo last year it's that he wasn't aggressive enough. He averaged 17 ppg on only 12 shot attempts. A high volume scorer like Romeo should have easily taken 15+ a game if not 20. But he played within the system and his numbers weren't as good as they could have been (and they were damn good for a true freshman with not much of a supporting cast).
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I love the people that say we would not have won 10 games with out him. Just asinine.

So we will not have him or Juwan this year. You either think TJ D and Brunk are going to be our 2 leadings scorers or we are gonna completely suck this year, no other way we win games with out the chosen one ya?

How many games are we gonna win this year with out Romeo? I will bet any amount of money you have that we win more games then last year, both conference and total. You in?

@ndhuntington I take your bet for $20 but I ran out of daily posts on the free account. I found a way around that :).

@ORG I would never bet all I had, I would bet all of what he had though :)

@snarlcakes I will be very critical of grown men getting scholarships to play at IU, my alma matter, where I buy season tickets and donate for almost a decade now. However, by no means am I saying Romeo is a bad person, I am purely critiquing his basketball performance. I thought he was very over hyped, and it would have served IU and him well for him not playing at all if this thumb injury was the reason he did not preform the best to his abilities. It hurt his draft stock and IU had an awful season. I judge not making the tournament as a complete failure. The last 3 years are all complete failure seasons to me. I don't look at them and see any difference or one being more positive then the other. That being said if Romeo didn't play at all last season it only could have benefited us in terms of experience for the other players playing together and in Archies system for this season. If they lost 5 more games and missed the tournament it would have been the same failure as this year. Romeo didn't play in the NIT, because it is worthless.
 
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Cavanagh.6 said:
How many games are we gonna win this year with out Romeo? I will bet any amount of money you have that we win more games then last year, both conference and total. You in?
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Already on record saying I think this years team will be better then last year, but it's not because Romeo was a cancer. It's a lot of things, but not that.

1. Everyone is a year older
2. This is Archie's 3rd year. Everyone, minus the freshman and Brunk, have now had 3 years in Archie's system
3. Front Court. Not just size but depth. Gone are the days of starting 2 guys 6'6 and 6'7 in the front court. Gone are the days of trotting guys like Clifton Moore, Evan Fitzner, and Jake Forrester off the bench. IU not only has legitimate B10 size, but legitimate B10 depth.

And I'm not sure why you're so fixated on Romeo's shooting percentages? He wasn't a good three point shooter, we knew that coming into the year he wasn't a great 3 point shooter. Combine that with his thumb injury it's not shocking. But Romeo's overall shooting percentages are identical to those of guys like Jarrett Culver and RJ Barrett, the top 2 SGs to go in the draft. He shot 45% from the field. As a true freshman. In the B10. With torn ligaments in his hand. With very little supporting cast. YOU ARE NUTS.
 
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cryano said:
you guys mean that like Walk away with Archie...like March on w Archie outta here...
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Personally speaking for this guy only, I was thinking of my tee-shirt that reads, "The General May Be Gone But His Army Marches On". "March with Arch" is standing alongside Coach Miller in support as we all march through the basketball season to the final month, which, ironically, is March with all its madness. BTW, it took time to make it rhyme and therein lies the beauty, Cutie.
 
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I mean this in the nicest way. Don’t be an a#% and post about players characters. You have no clue if he was a “cancer” and every comment made about him by players and coaches has been positive.
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I don’t think he was a cancer, he just tried to put the team on his back to win because he was their best player. His problem was he didn’t trust his teammates enough for big shots. I think that this team will be much better since guys will be willing to share the ball with their teammates to to try and win
 
Boiler2205 said:
Explain how iu is going to be any better after losing a lottery pick and a all big ten center? After only getting TJD and is aaram Franklins body ready for big ten play (yes I butchered that)
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You should worry about your team. Edwards carried the team all year and Cline had good games when you needed him. Who will replace them?

To answer your question. I will assume we won't have the level of injuries we had last year. We never had the opportunity for the team to make continual improvement until late in the season. By that time we had fallen behind the league.

We lost Morgan and Langford. We will replace Romeo by a group of players. Phinisee will be in his second year and doesn't need to improve that much, but he needs to be healthy. I expect he will be more prepared and more productive. Green will provide some good minutes and some bad. He was a good replacement for Romeo in the NIT games. Franklin will hopefully contribute off the bench with Durham.

Morgan was a very productive player for 2 years. His production will be replaced by a committee consisting of Brunk, TJD, Thompson, and Davis.

The wild card is if Jerome Hunter is available to play. We don't know how good he can be, but the thought is he was our second best recruit last year.

With all our injuries and all the weird lineups and chemistry issues, we still almost made the NCAA last year. I'm only concerned with our health as a barrier to making the tournament. As far as winning a game, it depends on who we play. I'll worry about that once we are in.
 
iubud said:
You should worry about your team. Edwards carried the team all year and Cline had good games when you needed him. Who will replace them?

To answer your question. I will assume we won't have the level of injuries we had last year. We never had the opportunity for the team to make continual improvement until late in the season. By that time we had fallen behind the league.

We lost Morgan and Langford. We will replace Romeo by a group of players. Phinisee will be in his second year and doesn't need to improve that much, but he needs to be healthy. I expect he will be more prepared and more productive. Green will provide some good minutes and some bad. He was a good replacement for Romeo in the NIT games. Franklin will hopefully contribute off the bench with Durham.

Morgan was a very productive player for 2 years. His production will be replaced by a committee consisting of Brunk, TJD, Thompson, and Davis.

The wild card is if Jerome Hunter is available to play. We don't know how good he can be, but the thought is he was our second best recruit last year.

With all our injuries and all the weird lineups and chemistry issues, we still almost made the NCAA last year. I'm only concerned with our health as a barrier to making the tournament. As far as winning a game, it depends on who we play. I'll worry about that once we are in.
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You make a reasonable case for last season and a fairly noncontroversial prediction of a better future, but I stand starkly reminded of the Witchita State box score for that ten-point loss in Assembly Hall. It betrays no improvement whereas everybody was healthy (except for Romeo and his backache). Atrocious free throw statistic and equally bad shooting efficiency is what I recall and see in the box score.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=401123697

I remain hopeful of better box scores ahead.
 
iubud said:
You should worry about your team. Edwards carried the team all year and Cline had good games when you needed him. Who will replace them?

To answer your question. I will assume we won't have the level of injuries we had last year. We never had the opportunity for the team to make continual improvement until late in the season. By that time we had fallen behind the league.

We lost Morgan and Langford. We will replace Romeo by a group of players. Phinisee will be in his second year and doesn't need to improve that much, but he needs to be healthy. I expect he will be more prepared and more productive. Green will provide some good minutes and some bad. He was a good replacement for Romeo in the NIT games. Franklin will hopefully contribute off the bench with Durham.

Morgan was a very productive player for 2 years. His production will be replaced by a committee consisting of Brunk, TJD, Thompson, and Davis.

The wild card is if Jerome Hunter is available to play. We don't know how good he can be, but the thought is he was our second best recruit last year.

With all our injuries and all the weird lineups and chemistry issues, we still almost made the NCAA last year. I'm only concerned with our health as a barrier to making the tournament. As far as winning a game, it depends on who we play. I'll worry about that once we are in.
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As good as Morgan was, IU was undersized due to Deron being limited and nobody else being ready to contribute. Now IU has a legit frontline rotation... which is a must particularly in the Big 10. I believe the loss of Morgan is reduced to nearly inconsequential, due to the dramatically improved rotation of bigs.

Romeo, for all the grief he has gotten, had a great year for a frosh. If he were returning, everyone would be pretty excited about next season. Nobody is going to replace what Romeo would have been as a soph, but I think the added experience for Phin, Green and Al along with the addition of Hunter, Demezi and Franklin will make for an outstanding and diverse group.

I didn't even mention Smith and Thompson, both of which should show big improvement this season.

I'm sure there will be a disappointment or two, but this roster should be able to absorb a blow or two. Last year was full of disappointments and setbacks with too much inexperience to absorb them. All forward momentum was retarded until the very end of the season.
 
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