Quite the sample size there, fellaAfter that yea it's all they have done
Quite the sample size there, fellaAfter that yea it's all they have done
You seem a little off. Feel free to ignore.Hilariously stupid fan fiction. Delusion on a level of the 2020 election being stolen.
Nice post! Enjoyed reading that.The admin's decision to punish IU basketball has been going on since they fired Coach Knight. He lost his job and part of his legacy. IU basketball has been non relevant nationally in every year since 2002 (Knight recruits). The admin got to tell everyone that they stood on the moral high ground and were too good for a coach like Bob Knight. It's IU, any coach can win at Indiana...
Admin chooses to continue with Mike Davis. It saved them from potentially losing half the team to transferring (and the 2002 tournament run) but it caused IU basketball to take steps backyards.
Admin chooses Kelvin Sampson to get them back. Then he tries to skirt rules. This caused the admin to self report and fire him. The basketball program then takes the punishment and the really good team that had w/ Eric Gordon and DJ White implodes. IU admin gets to tell everyone that they are the moral high ground school, unlike the other blue bloods.
Admin chooses the cleanest coach they can find...Tom Crean. After three years of misery, he is able to recruit Cody Zeller and other good role players. The program then finally gets great play from CZ, Yogi, Thomas Bryant, Watford, Hulls, Sheehey, Olidipo, and others. Then it becomes evident with the roller coaster results that Crean needs an extremely good roster in order to win. IU basketball becomes just another program.
Admin then chooses another "clean" coach in Archie Miller. He was the young Knight like and fiery defensive minded coach that IU needs in order to become nationally relevant again. He was unproven at the power conference level but he projected like someone that could do it. He recruits the state well and getting the state's best players give him some exciting rosters. Then it becomes clear to all the fans that he can't do much with the talent. He was in over his head. IU basketball becomes an average at best program. The respect of being a blue blood is gone.
Admin chooses one of Coach Knight's greatest and favorite players of all time, Mike Woodson. He knows and openly discusses how IU is a blue blood and possibly the best place to play in America. Fans and alumni love the swagger and how much he loves Coach Knight. He recruits at a high level and enjoys great years from TJD, KW, JHS, Gallo, and others. However, they can't get past the slightly above average level. MW has zero college experience and they can't level up even with good players. Some IU fans/alumni are now to the point of feeling that being in the last 4 in for the NCAA Tournament is actually a really good year.
IU Admin is now back to choosing another coach. Chris Beard, the closest thing to Coach Knight that you can find, appears to be open to coaching IU. His teams overachieve every year. He has just brought another school with zero legacy (minus TX) to national relevance and to their best seasons ever. Rick Pitino, perhaps the best mind in college basketball today, says CB would be the one and only guy to hire if he were the admin at IU. He does have a police report of an incident with an ex. Both she and CB have stated that CB was not the aggressor and it was self defense. All charges were dropped. Does IU admin continue to punish the basketball program and pass on the best available coach and the best chance to bring the basketball program back to national relevance? They can tell their fans/alumni that they are the moral high ground school who won't accept a person with any incidents in their past. They can hire a cleaner but lesser qualified coach. There is some pride in doing it that way and it would appease some fans/alumni to do that. However, they aren't hurting Chris Beard. He will win and be successful at any university that is lucking enough to have him. Then there is the other choice. If IU admin is done punishing the basketball program they hire CB and return it to being a fun to watch and national championship level program. Does the IU admin want to get IU back to being in a top 5-7 team each year again (Pitino's words)? IU admin has to decide again. Scott Dolson and Pamela Whitten and the rest of the decision making team, please choose what is best for the basketball program.
I think we got woodson because we went after one big name and got a no. I dont think all the big names turned us down i dont think dolson was given the chance to even ask themMiller was the #1 hot coach the year IU got him. Woodson was hired because the big names turned us down ( still should have tried a mid major guy or something).
The admin cares. They aren’t intentionally trying to punish the basketball program.
Its three coaches over 17 years.Quite the sample size there, fella
In your infinite wisdom, who better than Crean was going to take on our dumpster fire who wasn’t squeaky clean and would have outperformed him?Its three coaches over 17 years.
Pitino, Calipari, Pearl, Beilein, even Lon Krueger would have worked.In your infinite wisdom, who better than Crean was going to take on our dumpster fire who wasn’t squeaky clean and would have outperformed him?
Pitino, Calipari, Pearl, Beilein, even Lon Krueger would have worked.
Crean was better than Krueger. And most, if not all, of those guys weren’t coming here to a roster consisting of Bobby Capobianco, Tom Pritchard and whatever leftovers we had from Sampson (virtually none).Pitino, Calipari, Pearl, Beilein, even Lon Krueger would have worked.
I think there were times when all were interested. Crean’s rebuild was brutal. Luckily Zeller made an instant 180 impact.Would have worked, maybe but out of those which one would have come to IU and deal with the mess after Sampson?
Rick Greenspan wanted to hire Beilein in 2006 but couldn’t get the money to pay for Beilein’s contract buyout. IU didn’t support the basketball program for decades as I have been saying.When was Beliein passed on because of his age? Was that the Davis firing or the Sampson firing?
My understanding of it was they felt he was too old. He would have been 60 or 61 at that time.Rick Greenspan wanted to hire Beilein in 2006 but couldn’t get the money to pay for Beilein’s contract buyout. IU didn’t support the basketball program for decades as I have been saying.
Agree. I meant BOT.None of that is on Dolson, who's running point on this hire. I'm sure he had to fight like hell to "retire" Woody when he did.
Beilein was 53 in 2006.My understanding of it was they felt he was too old. He would have been 60 or 61 at that time.
My bad. Thought he was pushing 80Beilein was 53 in 2006.
Cody saved CTC’s ass.I think there were times when all were interested. Crean’s rebuild was brutal. Luckily Zeller made an instant 180 impact.
He also got him a second contract and lots of $$$Cody saved CTC’s ass.
I've been curious if our fine academic institution is still bulking at having a basketball coach be the face of the University.
That was Brand, Murray Serber, and a handful of effete snobs, all of which are dead and gone. No one today would object to having a quality winner as our front man. Pam Whitten strongly supports athletics and the Board is behind her.
If that is the case, the next coach will be a proven program builder and winner. This chatter about a good but not great coach in BB or an unproven D2 in BM is so annoying.That was Brand, Murray Serber, and a handful of effete snobs, all of which are dead and gone. No one today would object to having a quality winner as our front man. Pam Whitten strongly supports athletics and the Board is behind her.
The deep state is deeper and wider than you know. They're the ones who kept us out of the B1G football championship game and who always make sure we get a shitty draw on the rare occasions we make the NCAA basketball tournament. Not to mention making sure we always get hosed by the refs.You don’t think it’s a cabal of evil doers and libtards that are suppressing athletic excellence? There’s no other possible reason why this once powerful program could’ve fallen to such mediocre results. It’s the Indiana University Deep State.
Do you seriously expect IU to hire a coach with a history of being charged with felony domestic violence?Totally agree Chris Beard should be IU’s next coach he is by far the best coach for the job the past is the past and he has been fine since Texas let him go. I want IU to be relevant again year in and year out and Beard is the coach to get the job done. Get it done Scott !!!!!!!!
Go past the headline to read more about this. She did the attacking and both sides have stated on record that he was trying to defend himself. The misinformation on this is everywhere.Do you seriously expect IU to hire a coach with a history of being charged with felony domestic violence?
The charges were dropped only about two years ago.
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They have been mediocre for 30 years. No one would run Knight out until he ran it all the way in the ground. Should have cut ties in mid 90s.You don’t think it’s a cabal of evil doers and libtards that are suppressing athletic excellence? There’s no other possible reason why this once powerful program could’ve fallen to such mediocre results. It’s the Indiana University Deep State.
And you should gobble a Richard, blasphemer.They have been mediocre for 30 years. No one would run Knight out until he ran it all the way in the ground. Should have cut ties in mid 90s.
They have been mediocre for 30 years. No one would run Knight out until he ran it all the way in the ground. Should have cut ties in mid 90s.
He knew it. He often said he stayed at IU 10 years too long (I might be wrong about the number).Not that anyone has asked for it, but my opinion is that RMK got shown the door at just the right time. He was already not living up to his own winning standards the he set. Plus he was phoning it in with recruiting. Throw in some choking players and disregarding “zero tolerance” and even he would admit it was time to move on. He was so awesome when he was in his prime, and then fell off dramatically.
I think people misunderstand the gravity of oportunities. When Henderson blew out his knee, a friend of mine said "We're #1, we will be fine". I told him, "No, we probably just lost any chance at a title with that injury". When Knight was fired, I told people "Coach Knight IS Indiana", and people kept saying: "The game has passed him by. It's time for Indiana to find a modern coach who isn't so hard on the players".The narrative that IU doesn’t want to win is just nonsense. It was nearly unanimous ( including Coach Knight) that Archie was a good hire. Didn’t turn out that way but it’s just silly to think that was incompetent. Same goes for those thinking it’s because they don’t want to win that Beard won’t be hired.
IU fans have been through bad hire after bad hire for 25 years now.I think people misunderstand the gravity of oportunities. When Henderson blew out his knee, a friend of mine said "We're #1, we will be fine". I told him, "No, we probably just lost any chance at a title with that injury". When Knight was fired, I told people "Coach Knight IS Indiana", and people kept saying: "The game has passed him by. It's time for Indiana to find a modern coach who isn't so hard on the players".
I will tell you that although Beard isn't the only one who could succeed at IU, he is one of a small number. And a number of the others are not currently coaching, or unable to be hired.
This is the last opportunity to get the coaching hire right before the basketball program collapses. Get this one wrong, and they will not need even 12,000 seats going forward, let alone 17,000. The fans will not hold on this time if they get it wrong.
Fans will return if we ever get it right again. Football games were selling out by the end of the season. That hardly ever happens but it did because we were finally winning. And we had been the worst program in the country up until that point.The fans will not hold on this time if they get it wrong.
I 100% agree. Knight did help build that, “we are better than those other cheating schools” stuff.
That’s the problem with playing the moral police. Others may have cheated but they probably didn’t do half of Knight’s negative things.
This is true.Rick Greenspan wanted to hire Beilein in 2006 but couldn’t get the money to pay for Beilein’s contract buyout. IU didn’t support the basketball program for decades as I have been saying.