Will IU admin continue to punish the basketball program?
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You seem a little off. Feel free to ignore.
I think we got woodson because we went after one big name and got a no. I dont think all the big names turned us down i dont think dolson was given the chance to even ask them
In your infinite wisdom, who better than Crean was going to take on our dumpster fire who wasn’t squeaky clean and would have outperformed him?
Pitino, Calipari, Pearl, Beilein, even Lon Krueger would have worked.
Would have worked, maybe but out of those which one would have come to IU and deal with the mess after Sampson?
Crean was better than Krueger. And most, if not all, of those guys weren’t coming here to a roster consisting of Bobby Capobianco, Tom Pritchard and whatever leftovers we had from Sampson (virtually none).
I think there were times when all were interested. Crean’s rebuild was brutal. Luckily Zeller made an instant 180 impact.
Rick Greenspan wanted to hire Beilein in 2006 but couldn’t get the money to pay for Beilein’s contract buyout. IU didn’t support the basketball program for decades as I have been saying.
My understanding of it was they felt he was too old. He would have been 60 or 61 at that time.
Agree. I meant BOT.
But I should not be so critical anyway. I’m just frustrated with where we were and where we are. What we used to be vs now.
Cody saved CTC’s ass.
He also got him a second contract and lots of $$$
I've been curious if our fine academic institution is still bulking at having a basketball coach be the face of the University.
That was Brand, Murray Serber, and a handful of effete snobs, all of which are dead and gone. No one today would object to having a quality winner as our front man. Pam Whitten strongly supports athletics and the Board is behind her.
You don’t think it’s a cabal of evil doers and libtards that are suppressing athletic excellence? There’s no other possible reason why this once powerful program could’ve fallen to such mediocre results. It’s the Indiana University Deep State.
If that is the case, the next coach will be a proven program builder and winner. This chatter about a good but not great coach in BB or an unproven D2 in BM is so annoying.
The deep state is deeper and wider than you know. They're the ones who kept us out of the B1G football championship game and who always make sure we get a shitty draw on the rare occasions we make the NCAA basketball tournament. Not to mention making sure we always get hosed by the refs.
Do you seriously expect IU to hire a coach with a history of being charged with felony domestic violence?
The charges were dropped only about two years ago.
DA drops case against fired Texas coach Beard
Travis County DA Jose Garza said that after a review of the evidence, and considering the wishes of Beard's fiancee, his office determined the charge of assault by strangulation/suffocation-family violence could not be proved beyond a reasonable doubt.
Go past the headline to read more about this. She did the attacking and both sides have stated on record that he was trying to defend himself. The misinformation on this is everywhere.Do you seriously expect IU to hire a coach with a history of being charged with felony domestic violence?
The charges were dropped only about two years ago.
DA drops case against fired Texas coach Beard
Travis County DA Jose Garza said that after a review of the evidence, and considering the wishes of Beard's fiancee, his office determined the charge of assault by strangulation/suffocation-family violence could not be proved beyond a reasonable doubt.www.espn.com
They have been mediocre for 30 years. No one would run Knight out until he ran it all the way in the ground. Should have cut ties in mid 90s.
Not that anyone has asked for it, but my opinion is that RMK got shown the door at just the right time. He was already not living up to his own winning standards the he set. Plus he was phoning it in with recruiting. Throw in some choking players and disregarding “zero tolerance” and even he would admit it was time to move on. He was so awesome when he was in his prime, and then fell off dramatically.
He knew it. He often said he stayed at IU 10 years too long (I might be wrong about the number).
I think people misunderstand the gravity of oportunities. When Henderson blew out his knee, a friend of mine said "We're #1, we will be fine". I told him, "No, we probably just lost any chance at a title with that injury". When Knight was fired, I told people "Coach Knight IS Indiana", and people kept saying: "The game has passed him by. It's time for Indiana to find a modern coach who isn't so hard on the players".
I will tell you that although Beard isn't the only one who could succeed at IU, he is one of a small number. And a number of the others are not currently coaching, or unable to be hired.
This is the last opportunity to get the coaching hire right before the basketball program collapses. Get this one wrong, and they will not need even 12,000 seats going forward, let alone 17,000. The fans will not hold on this time if they get it wrong.
IU fans have been through bad hire after bad hire for 25 years now.
Why is this the time that will sink the program?
Fans will return if we ever get it right again. Football games were selling out by the end of the season. That hardly ever happens but it did because we were finally winning. And we had been the worst program in the country up until that point.
The image of Coach with silver hair, red sweater punching the phone on the scores desk, is Bobby Knight University of S. Indiana transitioning slowly back into Indiana University. IU hadn't mattered since Eisenhower. We have been the same irrelevant non-story since 2000. We're Iowa. Unless a man can come in with the ability to wrestle mediocrity away from the administration and re-educate a fanbase and become the face of the University we shouldn't even argue. If it's not that then it's "who gives a sh7t."
This idea that there's several options to fix us, is ludicrous. There may not be any. Why would we think there is? We've had one Coach since 1953 that happened to be a fn genius that took over S. Indiana and gave us an identity. I call that a fluke when compared to the other coaches we've had.
It pi55es me off when Coach is refered to as "Knight" the guy that is somehow connected to why IU fn sucks. He is the frame of reference for any memory of greatness attached to the program.
This is true.
This was a time period that people forget about. There was no BTN back then. There were no media deals. There was no huge influx of cash coming in. Athletic departments had to survive on donations and game revenue. The schools that had more revenue also coincidentally had big football attendance. It’s why IU was always on the cheap: they had no money to spend on buyouts.
Whole new ballgame now with the realignment and revenue sharing.
It’s why that spending $15 million to term Tom Allen was an eye opener for some fans because 1) this wasn’t historically how “cheap IU” operated and 2) they have the money to do it and not bat an eye.
Pitino was probably only available after Davis. Beilein same. He was already at Michigan same time as Sampson was here. Cal could have been had, but no way they were going after him coming off Sampson. Pearl, probably. But he was already into shit by summer of 2008 that would cost him his job later.
So no, don't think your list touches on reality of time and place.
I don't piss on a man's grave but per Wiki, Sperber is still alive. With that said, there is no human being on the planet more pleased with the demise of the IU basketball dynasty than that motherF$#cker. When the time comes, if you have been an IU bball fan, there is no man's grave worthing pissing on more than Murray Sperber.
I get a jolt every time I see or hear "Murray Sperber". I had him for English & he was a tool. I was lucky he was only the lecturer and not my group leader.
He was the tip of the spear in the anti-Knight anti-sport faculty campaign. Raised in Canada and educated at Purdue then Berkley, he ended up teaching "Cultural Studies of Sport in Education" at Berkley. I believe he has Emeritus status at IU, which also irks me.
