One bowl bid since 1993. Since 1993 basketball has been to an elite 8 in 1993, championship game in 2002, sweet 16 in 94,12 and 13 which is not great but a lot of programs have never done that. To me it is non sense to try to compare IU basketball against IU basketball because the histories are not even close. I was born in 1970 and have witnessed maybe 7 or 8 good season with no great seasons but in basketball I have at least witnessed 3 national championships and 3 other final fours.
Will It Ever Be Our Turn?
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Northwestern's success has very little to do with the level of talent in the Chicago area.
I didn't say that IU was a final destination job. I just think the hurdles of IU (down for so long in a tough conference) keep it from being a stepping stone which to me means a quick in and out. Coaches coming here would need to be committed to a semi-long term build. Cincy is a "stepping stone" job, IU is a "bridging the Grand Canyon" job.
No help needed, though I'll try to help educate you a bit. NU has some Chicago area players but they recruit nationally. It's a matter of academics as much as football ability, since many Chicago area kids who are good enough players would struggle to get in there. On the current roster, they have nearly as many players from Ohio (17) as they do from the Chicago area (20). They cast a wide net because academics require them to. Hope that helps you understand it better. I didn't address the "stepping stone" comment because there's no validity to your view.
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To me I think the fans are part of the problem with IU football, not saying all of it but a little portion of the problem. With this discussion about fans leaving and the late start time does not look good when it comes to recruiting. I would bet that MSU or OSU fans are not complaining about the start times of their games and I would bet that a lot of them have long drives back home as well. also the big time coaches want night games to show off for the recruits and want the better recruits coming to night games.
Don't you think part of the reason we have not been able to get either one of the top QB's in the country which were from Indy is the support our teams get from the fans. Peters is going to UM and he sees the stadium full with over 100,000 fans which the majority stays until the ends. Johnson is going to UT which has over 100,000 for every game so tell me which schools are you going to pick. They come to an IU game and see 35,000 people in a 50,000 seat stadium at the start of the game and by the end of it is lucky to have 15,000 people in the stands.
Don't you think part of the reason we have not been able to get either one of the top QB's in the country which were from Indy is the support our teams get from the fans. Peters is going to UM and he sees the stadium full with over 100,000 fans which the majority stays until the ends. Johnson is going to UT which has over 100,000 for every game so tell me which schools are you going to pick. They come to an IU game and see 35,000 people in a 50,000 seat stadium at the start of the game and by the end of it is lucky to have 15,000 people in the stands.
Name one IU football coach besides Sam Wyche who left voluntarily for a higher profile/better paying coaching position. Cincinnati is a stepping stone, IU has been a graveyard for college head coaches. I don't think any of our coaches in the last 50 years (excluding Wyche) took the IU job with the idea of moving on to a more lucrative position. I think Pont, Corso, Mallory, Cameron, DiNardo, Hoeppner, and Lynch all viewed IU as a destination job where they could have long-term success. I don't know about Wilson's perspective when he took the job and I don't know that anyone has ever heard him say. Sadly, we haven't had enough success for any of the aforementioned to have that option.
You have to hire a good coach before anyone will hire him away. You didn't name any good coaches. Mallory may have had a time when he was viewed that way, but things quickly leveled out.
Let me put it another way: you don't want a coach that thinks IU is a destination job. They probably aren't good enough. Maybe you get lucky and get a Snyder or Alvarez who arrive and then decide they love the place. Hire from the Hayden Frye coaching tree, I guess.
Nobody is going to Cincy for the talent.
Nothing takes more than 4 years in college sports. At least, not for good coaches. The 8 year turn around is a myth IU fans tell themselves to make themselves feel better.
Coach Hoeppner referred to the IU job as his "dream job." Would you not have hired him?
YES! That's it! If only Wilson made a couple more million per year........ obviously it's all tied to Wilson's pay.
I named EVERY coach who has been the head coach at IU in the last 50 years. The fact that only one of those guys moved on to a bigger job invalidates your assertion that IU is a stepping stone, regardless of whether in your opinion they were good coaches or not. Your statement doesn't hold up, that's the point - not whether or not any of these guys were good coaches. FWIW, every one of these guys had success at coaching stops before arriving at IU and they all had some success in specific years in Bloomington. They weren't geniuses who suddenly became stupid or vice -versa.
One thing that is always true, however. Those who know the least about the game are always dead sure that the coach is the reason for failure to win.
Haha...this from IU football fans is the best. Reread the first post and see if you can find your simple reading comprehension error , you dolt.
None of those guys were good coaches at IU. That's why they didn't move up. In case you didn't notice it, most of them were fired by Indiana.
IU is a stepping stone job for any decent coach. The fact that this school is so inept it hasn't hired a single coach worthy of promotion in 50 years doesn't negate that fact. It just makes IU stupid...and sad. I can see that this fan base gets largely what it deserves though.
Personal experience is an excellent teacher. That's why I would assume that you are a very good judge of what is stupid and pathetic.
You were out of football arguments 2 posts ago. You should have given up then.
At least you never have to experience the pain of actually knowing how bad the football is that you watch. Enjoy the bliss.
Perhaps you should little about IU and Big Ten football before you wade into something that is well over your head. You don't seem to realize how much you don't know, and it's a great deal. You missed badly on your petty numbers dig, and you were equally ignorant regarding the cliched babble about IU being a "stepping stone". Back to the kids table, please.
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Essentially, we are the Penn State of basketball, and football, but in reverse.
Great fan support and history at our "primary" sport, but rarely challenge the new guys for conference titles, save a year or two. Always a "loud" place to play AH/H Valley. Legendary coach who's ultimate exit was filled with controversy. Still looking to find the right coach to return us to the glory days.
For both, in our "other" sport....we challenge for a low level bowl or NCAA berth every 10-15 years or so. The fanbase could largely not care less either way...which sucks.
Great fan support and history at our "primary" sport, but rarely challenge the new guys for conference titles, save a year or two. Always a "loud" place to play AH/H Valley. Legendary coach who's ultimate exit was filled with controversy. Still looking to find the right coach to return us to the glory days.
For both, in our "other" sport....we challenge for a low level bowl or NCAA berth every 10-15 years or so. The fanbase could largely not care less either way...which sucks.
Took Cutcliffe 6 years at Duke. You don't see many turnarounds past 4 years because coaches typically only get 4-5 to do it (sometimes even less).
Its not elite talent, but Cincy has a roster full of experienced talent that can compete at its level under their coaches. And that's what's attractive to incoming coaches. For the first time in over 20 years, IU finally might be able to say that.
Pretty good analogy, although I'd argue that Penn State sits in a better position because basketball programs can turn on a dime. They just got a very big recruit in bball and made investments in their arena.
On their worst attendance day for basketball, their arena is filled more to capacity than Memorial Stadium.
Of course, their are the economics of it too. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the school in a much better position is the one that fills its football stadium with 100,000 and basketball arena with 9,000 than the one with 40,000 and 17,000.
The blueprint for a complete overhaul of an athletic program is Wisconsin. Invested in football, built a powerhouse. Took proceeds and invested in basketball, built a powerhouse. Of course,they have the benefits of better fan support in the entire state.
it has nothing to do with the CURRENT pay of IU's CURRENT football coach--and everything to do with the next football coach (whether his last name is Wilson or not)
