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why was Columbia U. getting $400,000,000.00 million

About half the people in “college” should be in a trade school.
Better for them, their families and the schools.
I agree with the sentiment, but would disagree with “about half.” The world still needs doctors, lawyers, architects, etc.

I do think some schools have been strategic about what they offer and students and families have been smarter about what they spend tuition dollars on. I don’t have a link to back this up, but I’d guess there are fewer Philosophy-type majors than there were a couple of decades ago.
 
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There’s nothing to disagree with. I wasn’t sharing an opinion. There are pretty big strings attached to just about every dollar in an endowment and gift agreements are pretty binding.
I'm commenting about what I think the law should be w/r/t university endowments, obviously.
 
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They can be amended. A mess but can be. They also can have unrestricted donor dollars.
Of course, but unrestricted funds by definition aren’t part of the endowment. And changing the donor intent for endowed funds can happen, but rarely does.

Unrestricted funds are usually generated from an annual appeal and while big schools can generate a lot of money from those, they’re not raiding the kind of money they have in their endowments.
 
Schools don’t “spend” endowments. They don’t touch the principle of that money. Without jumping through some major hoops and cutting through red tape it’s illegal to tap into that. All the interest from that pays for things like endowed chairs, scholarships and other things they’ve raised money to pay for things in perpetuity.

All of that money is tied to donor wishes and agreements. And has a specific purpose tied to it. Big endowments are insane, but they’re definitely not slush funds colleges and universities could/should tap into.
I was referring to the government grants, not the endowments.🙄
 
Purdue remains a top tier engineering school, no doubt. And just like IU, they attract a lot of private investment dollars to utilize the educated workforce.

On tuition, you need to look a little deeper. Purdue has kept tuition steady by accepting a large percentage of international students. It’s a state university in name only at this point. It doesn’t accept that many Indiana kids anymore. That is how Purdue responded to the funding cuts from the state legislature. I for one don’t think that’s a great thing for the state.
I've known many kids over that last 10 years, at least, that have had no problem getting into Purdue. My great nephew, who lived with us, was a direct admit to their Computer Science department and he went to small farm school in Howard County.

I would like to see some statistics on your claim that Purdue doesn't accept many Indiana kids anymore.
 
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I've known many kids over that last 10 years, at least, that have had no problem getting into Purdue. My great nephew, who lived with us, was a direct admit to their Computer Science department and he went to small farm school in Howard County.

I would like to see some statistics on your claim that Purdue doesn't accept many Indiana kids anymore.
It’s currently 46%.

 
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International students accounted for about 1,000 our of about 11,000 freshmen this year. That doesn't sound excessive.
International students make up about 19% of the total student body, and 43% of grad students. IMO, those are significant percentages.

The Purdue Indy campus will be interesting to see how that shakes out. Unlike IU, Purdue is treating the Indy campus as part of the flagship WL campus. They are really building there and hopefully it will have a larger percentage of in state kids.
 
Purdue remains a top tier engineering school, no doubt. And just like IU, they attract a lot of private investment dollars to utilize the educated workforce.

On tuition, you need to look a little deeper. Purdue has kept tuition steady by accepting a large percentage of international students. It’s a state university in name only at this point. It doesn’t accept that many Indiana kids anymore. That is how Purdue responded to the funding cuts from the state legislature. I for one don’t think that’s a great thing for the state.
I think that's what a lot of schools are doing these days. My daughter has been accepted to Pitt, Duquesne, Kenyon, Case Western Reserve, Xavier, Dayton, Cincinnati, Ohio and Butler. She has great grades and great test scores and has been offered the opportunity to apply to honors programs at some of those places.

She was accepted to a branch campus at Ohio State. We didn't hear this from the horse's mouth (OSU admissions), but we were told that OSU has a set goal/amount of Ohio students they want to accept and bring in out of state/international kids as part of their overall recruiting strategy.
 
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I think that's what a lot of schools are doing these days. My daughter has been accepted to Pitt, Duquesne, Kenyon, Case Western Reserve, Xavier, Dayton, Cincinnati, Ohio and Butler. She has great grades and great test scores and has been offered the opportunity to apply to honors programs at some of those places.

She was accepted to a branch campus at Ohio State. We didn't hear this from the horse's mouth (OSU admissions), but we were told that OSU has a set goal/amount of Ohio students they want to accept and bring in out of state/international kids as part of their overall recruiting strategy.
Depaul
Xavier
Butler
IU
PU
UK (don't ****ing start with me, as I'm pretty sure that one was out of spite)
Cincinnati


Still pending:

Fordham (why)
USC (CA version, again why)

IU and PU took the longest to get back and, predictably, $0 attached. 1300+ SAT, good enoungh grades (3.7 non weighted, 4.something weighted).

State schools are sellers at this point. Of course they'll chase the highest dollar. Does put a decent amount of pressure on the privates to compete though.
 
1995: 74% in state undergrad
2005: 67%
2015: 52%
2024: 46%
2024 in state tuition at purdue ~10K
2024 out of state ~29K

in-state is dropping.....go figure

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Let's not get too wound up about US News stats. Some schools blatantly play the game to move up and down in these rankings, to the detriment of quality and other rankings. Based on those I've interacted with and interviewed, I don't see much difference between kids from most Big Ten schools.
It’s what parents and kids look at tho. It’s the only game in town
 
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Let's not get too wound up about US News stats. Some schools blatantly play the game to move up and down in these rankings, to the detriment of quality and other rankings. Based on those I've interacted with and interviewed, I don't see much difference between kids from most Big Ten schools.
Some outright lie. Like Columbia
 
I think that's what a lot of schools are doing these days. My daughter has been accepted to Pitt, Duquesne, Kenyon, Case Western Reserve, Xavier, Dayton, Cincinnati, Ohio and Butler. She has great grades and great test scores and has been offered the opportunity to apply to honors programs at some of those places.

She was accepted to a branch campus at Ohio State. We didn't hear this from the horse's mouth (OSU admissions), but we were told that OSU has a set goal/amount of Ohio students they want to accept and bring in out of state/international kids as part of their overall recruiting strategy.
Define “great” test scores? I don’t know how any of this plays out yet but find out next year with my daughter. She hasn’t taken ACT or SAT yet but will be doing so shortly.

Unfortunately, I don’t think there is much information to be gleaned from high grades anymore. Grade inflation is the norm everywhere.
 
Define “great” test scores? I don’t know how any of this plays out yet but find out next year with my daughter. She hasn’t taken ACT or SAT yet but will be doing so shortly.

Unfortunately, I don’t think there is much information to be gleaned from high grades anymore. Grade inflation is the norm everywhere.
My daughter didn't even take the ACT. So many schools are still test optional. She took the SAT b/c she thought she could do better than 1300 (which seems to be the first bar to chin in these things). She did. Yay.

Not sure it matter much at all. She didn't get into either of the higher level schools she applied to (Notre Dame/northwestern) and she didn't send a test score. Though, had she been 1500+ maybe it would have matter more.
 
It's so competitive these days. My son had perfect SAT scores. Actual max scores, and a 4.0+ GPA at a magnet HS, as an Eagle scout. Tons of community service hours. He still couldn't get into MIT, Caltech, and Stanford for math/engineering. It came down to Cornell, Ga Tech, Purdue (yuck), and Carnegie Mellon. It worked out though. Cornell BA Summa Cum Laude, grad student now at Carnegie Mellon.
 
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Define “great” test scores? I don’t know how any of this plays out yet but find out next year with my daughter. She hasn’t taken ACT or SAT yet but will be doing so shortly.

Unfortunately, I don’t think there is much information to be gleaned from high grades anymore. Grade inflation is the norm everywhere.
Not everywhere son. Not everywhere

Stay single kings
 
It's so competitive these days. My son had perfect SAT scores. Actual max scores, and a 4.0+ GPA at a magnet HS, as an Eagle scout. Tons of community service hours. He still couldn't get into MIT, Caltech, and Stanford for math/engineering. It came down to Cornell, Ga Tech, Purdue (yuck), and Carnegie Mellon. It worked out though. Cornell BA Summa Cum Laude, grad student now at Carnegie Mellon.
I was accepted to Cornell. Was an athlete first. So was very proud of being accepted to Cornell. Until someone we all know called it suny Ithaca. There’s always a pecking order
 
My daughter didn't even take the ACT. So many schools are still test optional. She took the SAT b/c she thought she could do better than 1300 (which seems to be the first bar to chin in these things). She did. Yay.

Not sure it matter much at all. She didn't get into either of the higher level schools she applied to (Notre Dame/northwestern) and she didn't send a test score. Though, had she been 1500+ maybe it would have matter more.
Yeah 1500+ seems to be the benchmark for what I’d call great. Something that puts you in the running (not even close to a guarantee, unfortunately) for a Top 25 school.

But I’ve also heard crazy stories of kids here getting 1600s or 36 ACT and getting rejected from Wisconsin or Illinois.
 
Yeah 1500+ seems to be the benchmark for what I’d call great. Something that puts you in the running (not even close to a guarantee, unfortunately) for a Top 25 school.

But I’ve also heard crazy stories of kids here getting 1600s or 36 ACT and getting rejected from Wisconsin or Illinois.
U of fla has gotten that way.
 
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Xavier
Butler
IU
PU
UK (don't ****ing start with me, as I'm pretty sure that one was out of spite)
Cincinnati


Still pending:

Fordham (why)
USC (CA version, again why)

IU and PU took the longest to get back and, predictably, $0 attached. 1300+ SAT, good enoungh grades (3.7 non weighted, 4.something weighted).

State schools are sellers at this point. Of course they'll chase the highest dollar. Does put a decent amount of pressure on the privates to compete though.
Purdue is notorious for not giving any money these days. IU was pretty minimal. A $1,000 merit scholarship when total cost is $30k+ is pissing in the ocean.
 
Yeah 1500+ seems to be the benchmark for what I’d call great. Something that puts you in the running (not even close to a guarantee, unfortunately) for a Top 25 school.

But I’ve also heard crazy stories of kids here getting 1600s or 36 ACT and getting rejected from Wisconsin or Illinois.
There’s a whole menu of schools still out there tho. Come on down to arch madness next year. They’ll take ya. Leave pretension at the door of course
 
Define “great” test scores? I don’t know how any of this plays out yet but find out next year with my daughter. She hasn’t taken ACT or SAT yet but will be doing so shortly.

Unfortunately, I don’t think there is much information to be gleaned from high grades anymore. Grade inflation is the norm everywhere.
SAT scores are also inflated. 30 years ago a 1200 was banging good. I’d say 1400-1500 is the current equivalent.
 
Define “great” test scores? I don’t know how any of this plays out yet but find out next year with my daughter. She hasn’t taken ACT or SAT yet but will be doing so shortly.

Unfortunately, I don’t think there is much information to be gleaned from high grades anymore. Grade inflation is the norm everywhere.
I think she got a 28 on the ACT. Maybe that's 'good' but not 'great.'

A lot of the schools are test optional still, but I think she did submit her score.

She did appeal the regional acceptance at OSU, but we haven't heard back yet.
 
My daughter didn't even take the ACT. So many schools are still test optional. She took the SAT b/c she thought she could do better than 1300 (which seems to be the first bar to chin in these things). She did. Yay.

Not sure it matter much at all. She didn't get into either of the higher level schools she applied to (Notre Dame/northwestern) and she didn't send a test score. Though, had she been 1500+ maybe it would have matter more.
Yeah - I'm pretty sure she submitted her ACT score, but didn't need to. If I'm remembering correctly, they all were test optional (I think).

She was invited to apply for honors colleges at a few places and is appealing the OSU regional acceptance. Not sure what will come of that. For some reason she and her mom are high on Pitt. I'm kind of pulling for Xavier and Butler.
 
Oh wow. I don't agree with what that guy was saying or how he was leading protests, but it will be interesting to see how this plays out. Seems like it'll be an interesting first amendment thing.
 
Yeah - I'm pretty sure she submitted her ACT score, but didn't need to. If I'm remembering correctly, they all were test optional (I think).

She was invited to apply for honors colleges at a few places and is appealing the OSU regional acceptance. Not sure what will come of that. For some reason she and her mom are high on Pitt. I'm kind of pulling for Xavier and Butler.
Our neighbor's daughter is finishing up at Pitt this year. She's really loved it.
 
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Oh wow. I don't agree with what that guy was saying or how he was leading protests, but it will be interesting to see how this plays out. Seems like it'll be an interesting first amendment thing.

Doesn't seem like free speech when you look at what has gone on at Columbia.
 
Pitt has an impressive campus, for being in an urban setting. Not IU-Bloomington pretty, of course, but nice architecture. I've admired it a bit when visiting Carnegie Mellon to see my son. Carnegie Mellon is not much to look at, on the other hand. I guess the story is that Carnegie wasn't sure it would make it as a school,so the oldest buildings were designed such that they could be converted to factories if the whole higher ed thing was a bust. Then any new buildings added were not based on any theme.
 
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