Who the hell defends this?
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I thought conservatives were against govt interference. If Harvard is doing something wrong then wouldn't the repercussions be losing enrollment. Let the customers (students/parents) be the judge of the business/university. Free market and all that.
It's the height of silliness to assert that the President of Harvard is keen on enabling antisemitism much as it was silly to suggest that the Chancellor of UCLA was keen on enabling antisemitism last Spring. It's no surprise that the same administration that is pushing the moronic genocide of white farmers in South Africa narrative is pushing this unserious stuff.
Oxford: 46%
Cambridge: 40%
Heidelberg: 20%
Copenhagen: 10%
Sorbonne: 20%
Utrecht: 15%
For context.
Many people agree with you. That being the case, what is the connection between alleged Israeli war crimes and protests, demonstrations, and public space occupations all intended to intimidate and prevent Jews from attending class or move about campus. Along these lines the former president of Harvard University made an absolute fool out of herself as she attempted to justify Harvard University’s acquiescence in Jewish student intimidation.
Harvard and other institutions who think their shit doesn’t stink have big problems.
I think it’s probably true that they’re less inclined to do anything about it than they would be if it was Klan stuff.
All we can do is speculate, of course. But I feel safe enough in throwing that guess out there.
I've seen claims that this happened, but no real evidence. It's been fashionable for people to characterize easily offended college students as "snowflakes" needing a "safe space." Does that not apply here?
Disagree. Harvard’s track record re free speech and viewpoint discrimination isn’t great.
I would not want to go to Harvard. And that’s a sad thing to write
Yeah, I think they’re pretty selective too.
But, again, if somebody isn’t selective about it — like they always truly embrace the virtue of free speech, consistently and neutrally — then I’d be the first to jump to their defense.
We saw the testimony of these “elite” college presidents. Bumbling fools. It defies common sense to think that in light of same they aren’t engaging in viewpoint discrimination
It does.
And, if they want to do that, that is also their prerogative. They are private institutions, after all.
But, if so, then they pretty much forfeit their right to the free speech defense when being asked the kinds of questions they were asked at that hearing.
Pick a side of the fence, folks.
They’ve not only been accused of it, they’ve settled a couple lawsuits to that end…and, importantly I think, made a public statement recognizing the need to up their efforts in this regard.
I get that settling a suit doesn’t necessarily mean acknowledging the claim. But I’d say that publicly declaring a need to change their practices does, doesn’t it?
Here’s the story.
A jew? No. But there’s a temporal element to this as well. The mileiu that precedes him.
This is a place without a clean record of viewpoint accommodation
I would not want to go to Harvard
Are you equating the protests against the conduct of Israel's war in Gaza with "Klan stuff"?
The handling of those protests and the counter-protests against those protests is what got Block run out of UCLA.
So, then probably not Larry Summers (2001-2006) or Drew Faust (2007-2018) or Laurence Bacow (2018-2023) either then. Just the six months that Claudine Gay was President makes Harvard antisemetic? That mileiu? And one wonders why I find it hard to take this criticism seriously?
And one wonders why you ignore the dispositions of lawsuits against them.
Harvard, Kestenbaum Agree to Confidential Settlement in Antisemitism Lawsuit | News | The Harvard Crimson
Harvard and lawyers representing Alexander “Shabbos” Kestenbaum in his Title VI lawsuit against the University reached a settlement on Thursday, ending Kestenbaum’s 16-month legal fight against Harvard.
This is a billion dollar hedge fund operating as a university that engages in viewpoint discrimination. They are not a defendant that NEEDS to settle. On principle alone they had a vested interest in being absolved of these disparaging allegations
Was their behavior tacit? Explicit? They settled. That’s more than enough for me to know they were culpable
No. I recognize a distinction between antisemitism and good faith criticism of Israel. But I also recognize there’s some decent amount of overlap. Naturally, antisemites are going to be critical of Israel, too.
So my analogy is between antisemitism and anti-black racism.
And do I think that Harvard (etal) have been more tolerant of antisemitism than they would be of a similar presence of anti-black racism?
Yeah, I do.
And one wonders why you ignore the dispositions of lawsuits against them.
Harvard, Kestenbaum Agree to Confidential Settlement in Antisemitism Lawsuit | News | The Harvard Crimson
Harvard and lawyers representing Alexander “Shabbos” Kestenbaum in his Title VI lawsuit against the University reached a settlement on Thursday, ending Kestenbaum’s 16-month legal fight against Harvard.www.thecrimson.com
This is a billion dollar hedge fund operating as a university that engages in viewpoint discrimination. They are not a defendant that NEEDS to settle. On principle alone they had a vested interest in being absolved of these disparaging allegations
Was their behavior tacit? Explicit? They settled. That’s more than enough for me
They not only settled the lawsuits, before they did that they openly recognized that the university had to make more efforts to combat antisemitic acts on campus.
Having a Jewish president doesn’t absolve them of any of this. A university community is a helluva lot more than its president.
My son told me graduating from Indiana was easy, just find ways of saying white man is bad in every course.
That sounds similar to what my son said during his freshman year. He texted me a couple handouts he got in one course…and hoo-boy, how things have changed since I was in college.
Thankfully, he moved on to more major-centric courses after that and said he got a lot less of that stuff.
That really is bullshit. Wtf is wrong with these campuses. Teach. Save the advocacy
A degree from Indiana is still worth a ton. My son is doing well. I am blessed. I taught him how to think.
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Funny that you would post this now after challenging, just prior to last year’s presidential election, other posters’ assertions that the US economy was the envy of the world.
So, lawsuit settlements are evidence of guilt? Okay, we're gonna have fun with this.And one wonders why you ignore the dispositions of lawsuits against them.
Harvard, Kestenbaum Agree to Confidential Settlement in Antisemitism Lawsuit | News | The Harvard Crimson
Harvard and lawyers representing Alexander “Shabbos” Kestenbaum in his Title VI lawsuit against the University reached a settlement on Thursday, ending Kestenbaum’s 16-month legal fight against Harvard.
This is a billion dollar hedge fund operating as a university that engages in viewpoint discrimination. They are not a defendant that NEEDS to settle. On principle alone they had a vested interest in being absolved of these disparaging allegations
Was their behavior tacit? Explicit? They settled. That’s more than enough for me to know they were culpable
Who were the people that Republicans in Congress subpoenaed to appear before them to testify about this topic? The ones who would be tasked with leading any change in policy?
That antisemitism exists on college campuses doesn't make them antisemitic. Sadly, there's antisemitism all across America, but that doesn't make America an antisemitic country. Heck, we got Len and accuro, but I wouldn't call the Cooler an antisemitic website.
A defendant with unlimited resources and far more power than the plaintiffs and certainly capable of clearing itself 1) didn’t get it dismissed or summaried out and 2) elected to settle and make numerous changes.
Incidentally the eeoc is also investigating Harvard now for discriminating against whites and Asians
Yes, the US has fallen so far, people were running across the border into our country like swarms of locusts.Well, our economy used to be the envy of the world and now that’s no longer true. Our democracy used to be the envy of the world and now that’s quickly dying. Our universities are the envy of the world, so I guess that’s next for the Trump administration to destroy.
Cracks are emerging in the idea of America’s economic exceptionalism
The U.S. economy and equity markets may be underperforming this year due to a surge in policy uncertainty, a decline in consumer sentiments, a delay in business investment, and a gradual weakening …thehill.com
‘In a real sense, US democracy has died’: how Trump is emulating Hungary’s Orbán
Trump has moved to gut the federal government, fire critics and reward allies – a path similar to ‘would-be dictators’ like Orbán, experts saywww.theguardian.com
America’s Coming Brain Drain
Trump’s war on universities could kill U.S. innovation.www.foreignaffairs.com
You should actually visit parts of the world other than Indiana.
My issue is the degree to which I believe it’s tolerated - particularly as relates to other forms of hate.
If there was as much anti-black racism expressed on campuses as antisemitism, do you think they’d shrug their shoulders at it?
As I’ve said, I’m perfectly fine with the defense of free speech that is often made…but only if that’s practiced universally.
But it’s not. And not simply as it relates to different forms of bigotry. Wasn’t it at Stanford Law School where they shouted down a conservative judge…with the aid of a member of the faculty who basically blamed it on the judge to his face?
If they really do want to be free speech zones, they have a helluva lot of work to do. If they want to practice viewpoint discrimination, that’s fine. But they can’t lay claim to being a haven for free speech if that’s the case.
Poor k-12 public education causes numbers 1, 2 and 3. Poor education has been an issue for 30 years. Trump had nothing to do with it.Well, our economy used to be the envy of the world and now that’s no longer true. Our democracy used to be the envy of the world and now that’s quickly dying. Our universities are the envy of the world, so I guess that’s next for the Trump administration to destroy.
Cracks are emerging in the idea of America’s economic exceptionalism
The U.S. economy and equity markets may be underperforming this year due to a surge in policy uncertainty, a decline in consumer sentiments, a delay in business investment, and a gradual weakening …thehill.com‘In a real sense, US democracy has died’: how Trump is emulating Hungary’s Orbán
Trump has moved to gut the federal government, fire critics and reward allies – a path similar to ‘would-be dictators’ like Orbán, experts sayAmerica’s Coming Brain Drain
Trump’s war on universities could kill U.S. innovation.
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