He has an IU site, it’s where the previous staff went. He has a love affair with IU.
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reggie went full berzerker mode, starks stood at the line w finches flying around his head and alligator armed them both. reggie grabs brick and gets fouled. ball game. starks still standing at line w the birds.
Leal...obviously...should have been a main rotation player since day 1 at IU. No matter the roster we've had, we've been better with him on the court, than not. That doesn't mean he should have ever been starting necessarily. But his long stretches of seasons where he was relegated to the end of the bench... absurd.
There have been a lot of players that "should" have been a lot better, and more impactful towards IU playing better, than Leal. But not a ton of them that actually were. Lander, Stewart, Bates, Gunn, Banks, Cupps, Carlyle... all guys that got minutes over Leal, for long stretches at times, that shouldn't have. I could see early in some seasons maybe, since those guys are all varying degrees more talented than Leal. But at some point, you have to play the guy/guys that give you the best chance at winning. Over every single one of those guys, Leal gave IU that. Some were more skilled, some were bigger, some were more athletic, all of them some of our fans would prefer the potential they provide over the realistic output. But none of them were better overall basketball players than Leal was, when they were largely playing over him.
Woodson is an awful basketball coach. He's basically a glorified AAU coach, in my eyes.
Leal is a great athlete. Plays bigger than he is. Nice ups.
Not a top level D1 player though.
see everyone. This is the stupid shit I’m talking about. Complete nonsense. Anyone who thinks like this is a loser and has no business cheering for IU. We will never get to a Final 4 again if players like this are playing here. They don’t contribute to championship caliber teams.
Our fanbase is dumb as dirt.
Do you guys even read the articles, or listen to the pundits, that praise him for his defense and rebounding? No one is arguing that he should be THE point guard starter for IU, or any high major team. No one is...despite Hot Sauce trying to shift the narrative there. But he absolutely has a spot on most winning programs roster (1), and unless the team is chalked full of NBA level talent, he also would have some form of main rotational role (2). He's 6-5, can guard the best of the best PG's in the country, and also effectively guard wing scorers, and can help out on the boards, and he's willing and able to promote good ball and player movement. MOST coaches would value that, highly and consistently.
He isn't going to play basketball after college. He isn't an NBA level talent or athlete. So to compete for Natty's, you can't have him running your team, or have all that many other players like him. But 100%, without question, he has a spot on any level college team.
Hot Sauce/Cav can spew his bullshit And One talk all he wants. He has ZERO clue about effective roster construction, locker room dynamics, etc... He proved that long ago. But he continues to, to those that are willing to read his BS... but when you actually think beyond the carnival barker aspects of it, it doesn't make basketball sense.
Yeah, Shaq sucked at FTs, so he clearly was worthless. That's the level of thinking we get from pipsqueaks around here.
truth hurts, Tamar got mvp last night Leal played his last college game (hopefully).
Hard to get people to listen to your takes when reality of the big fat L hit you in the face. A6’5 athletically limited player shooting 61.9% FT shooter should be a main rotation player. Sureeeee keep typing on here North lol. No1 in the real world is listening.
Explain it to the folks that understand basketball and winning. I’m sure they will love it.
You don’t think that perhaps Leal gained intelligence watching from the bench for all those years? Or, he matured from a physical standpoint to help him on D and rebounding?
I can’t tell if you are saying he should have been a main rotation guy since day 1 is sarcasm.
Who, besides you, is bringing a Tamar/Leal comparison? They're completely different levels of player. It'd be nice to combine the two of them actually, your boy would probably already be in the NBA if he could play defense and rebound, and maybe dish out an assist or two here and there.
I would take March of 2025 Tamar over Leal...obviously. But why not have BOTH of them? Leal would cover Tamar's ass on defense and on the boards, and Tamar would make plays on the offensive end.
Compared to this board or the general population? Yes, Leal is a great athlete. Compared to other P5 D1 guards? Below average. He's heady, uses his body well, and is smart and aggressive and a really good rebounder and inside player for his size, but he's not a great, or even good run and jump athlete.
What do you mean??? Just because he’s had zero dunks in his career, that just means he was smart enough to take the layup and get it beat in the second row. Heady player
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Oh no that is being dead serious. Again, it’s why our fanbase isn’t really that smart. Too much of the fanbase actually think guys from Indiana some how have super human powers that make up for their actual abilities.
Yep Leal and Shaq. Good comparison. Another insult you’re gone.
And you’re on thin ice.
. Learn from your ban warnings, or you won’t be here any longer!
He has had dunks... but don't let facts get in the way of your free styling... it is entertaining I guess. Which is really all you're after.What do you mean??? Just because he’s had zero dunks in his career, that just means he was smart enough to take the layup and get it beat in the second row. Heady player
Dunks, as in plural? I might not remember if he had one (though I should would be the talk of the town). But you’re telling me out of his 31 made 2 point FGs in 5 years here, 2 or more of them were dunks??? Was one this year?? Please refresh my memory.
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The thing that kills me is Leal’s two one ‘n one free throw attempts. Neither was even close to going in. As a senior and former Mr Basketball, he should have nailed at least two, if not three of those four possibilities. Was it spontaneous stage fright? Earwigs? Gremlins on his wing? I expect more from this level of experience.
What about when he hit the rim 5 times the game before on a ft. Then celebrated with a full throttle fist in the air after. Never seen that with that much time left on the clock. Laughing stock is what he’s made us.
No clue...maybe I'm remembering HS and AAU as much as anything? Maybe the put back dunk this year where he got fouled, and it rimmed out? Maybe the break away 2 handed dunk from last year or the year before. Or maybe the 360 dunks I used to see him do regularly in AAU warmups.
Its a dumb thing to focus on no matter what. Especially when he's using his dunking ability athleticism to rebound with bigger B10 level bigs, fairly consistently...which is one of the actual practical benefits of being able to dunk. Dunking is exciting, its obviously a momentum building play...but the bigger benefit is it implies you can do more practical things...like rebound. Anthony can dunk, but he's obviously not a "dunker".
Go back and watch the few games he ended up playing his first year. At Wisconsin comes to mind his freshman year. He came in that game and played over 30 minutes, hit some big shots, shut down Trice for long stretches, and we took a top 10 Wisconsin team to overtime. He barely played before that, he barely played after that. When he has played decent minutes, we've been better, and more competitive, with all 5 of his rosters. Its a fact. That is supported by metrics. That is supported by eye test. I'm NOT saying he should have started all 5 years. Or played 30 minutes per game all 5 years. But there are countless games like that game his freshman year, that say he should have been a main rotation guy the entire time.
DESPITE all the very valid shortcomings he has. You can argue all you want if IU basketball should have guys like him contributing/starting, whatever. I don't think there are any valid arguments against him being a main rotation guy, for the actual teams, with the coaching staffs, he actually had while at IU. And this is basically the first year, in his career, that he's earned, been given, however it happened, regular time as one of the main rotation guards. Shocking that he's being talked about as an All B10 defensive team type player...that his defensive metrics are elite nationally, and the best in the B10 for guards...that our offense became more efficient...
You can focus on Leal being the reason we're 19-13, and probably missing the tournament...orrr, you can focus on the rest of the roster, and the coaching staff. I'm choosing the latter. Because that makes much more sense to me.
I also remember Galloway’s “three” attempt that caught nothing but net…beneath the rim, not through. Maddening at this point in his career.
Poor Jared looked like he just saw a ghost when Ant started dropping F-bombs.
He gave it a “woah”. My man would not do well in an urban setting lol.
I do miss me some Sloan screens though.....he was the master of the sliding screen...made Jay an AA his soph yr. (well, Jay had a little to do with it too)
I remember that WI game....too bad that was the best shooting game in his entire career at IU.
While I don't have an axe to grind like my good buddy Cav, I will say, there is no reason Leal should not be shooting 75%+ from the line. Mind boggling how he struggles from the FT line. Had same feeling when Phin was here and apparently he was a near 90% FT shooter in HS at McCutcheon, yet mid 60s at IU. Defies logic.
Leal has nothing to do with making IU a a laughing stock.
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