What is up with the OL?

[82hoosier]

Attached is an excellent article written November 4 that appeared in the IDS. It was written with four games to go in the season. The results of those last four games were as follows:

lost at Michigan 29-7
lost to Rutgers 38-3
lost to Minnesota 35-14
lost at Purdue 44-7

i can’t find a grading of the OL through the end of the season. But have to think that the season end assessments were even worse.

ANALYSIS: What’s up with Indiana football’s offensive line?

Indiana has allowed the second highest number of pressures in the Big Ten this season.

www.idsnews.com

 

[TMFT]

Thanks for the link.

IMO, no one plays mean on the OL.

It's been said on the forum that guys like Deboer knew how to play with bad talent, as if the line was suspect back then. I couldn't disagree more. Wes Martin, Simon Stepaniak, & Brandon Knight were NFL linemen. And Wes & Step in particular played like big rough sons of guns. I don't see anyone who played OL last year that really whipped anyone on the regular or seemed like they would take any pleasure in it if they did.

My case in point below (starting at the 19:00 mark). Step buried Winovich and went in for seconds. Especially after Winovich stepped on his calf the play before, I don't think Step shed a single tear about Winovich going down.

 

[Fenny72]

Besides Caleb Jones, are all the other OL returning? Is Dylan Powell leaving?

Here is a list of Stars and Ratings. I had thought our recruiting OL had improved the last two classes, but besides DJ Moore, the rest are rated similar to previous classes.

With returning experience from four OL and some young talent in the wings, hopefully we can see improvement next year. Who is most likely to be able to show the mean streak that we have been missing? Who from the list that hasn't played much will push for playing time next year? Benson, Sales?

Class	Player	Stars	Rating
2022	DJ Moore	4	5.8
2022	Bray Lynch	3	5.6
2022	Carter Smith	3	5.5
2021	Josh Sales	3	5.6
2021	Vinny Fiacable	3	5.5
2021	Zach Carpenter (Transfer)	3	5.7	starter
2020	Chris Bradberry (Juco)	2	5.3
2020	Kahlil Benson	3	5.7
2020	Luke Haggard (Juco)	3	5.5	starter
2020	Randy Holz	3	5.5
2020	Brady Feeney	3	5.5
2020	Cameron Knight	3	5.5
2020	Luke Wiginton	3	5.6
2020	Dylan Powell (Transfer)	3	5.6	Gone?
2019	Tim Weaver	2	5.4
2019	Michael Katic	3	5.5	starter
2019	Matthew Bedford	3	56	starter
2018	Aidan Rafferty	3	5.7
2018	Nick Marozas	3	5.6

 

[Baller23Boogie]

Besides Caleb Jones, are all the other OL returning? Is Dylan Powell leaving?

Here is a list of Stars and Ratings. I had thought our recruiting OL had improved the last two classes, but besides DJ Moore, the rest are rated similar to previous classes.

With returning experience from four OL and some young talent in the wings, hopefully we can see improvement next year. Who is most likely to be able to show the mean streak that we have been missing? Who from the list that hasn't played much will push for playing time next year? Benson, Sales?

Class	Player	Stars	Rating
2022	DJ Moore	4	5.8
2022	Bray Lynch	3	5.6
2022	Carter Smith	3	5.5
2021	Josh Sales	3	5.6
2021	Vinny Fiacable	3	5.5
2021	Zach Carpenter (Transfer)	3	5.7	starter
2020	Chris Bradberry (Juco)	2	5.3
2020	Kahlil Benson	3	5.7
2020	Luke Haggard (Juco)	3	5.5	starter
2020	Randy Holz	3	5.5
2020	Brady Feeney	3	5.5
2020	Cameron Knight	3	5.5
2020	Luke Wiginton	3	5.6
2020	Dylan Powell (Transfer)	3	5.6	Gone?
2019	Tim Weaver	2	5.4
2019	Michael Katic	3	5.5	starter
2019	Matthew Bedford	3	56	starter
2018	Aidan Rafferty	3	5.7
2018	Nick Marozas	3	5.6

I think Powell is done.

 

[Indianaftw]

Here are the stats from a service I use. Its explained on the top with the categories and rank of each category below.​

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Run-blocking stats​

• Line Yards per Carry: For 2018, we are experimenting with a new definition for college line yardage based on film study and generalization. Instead of the ALY figure FO used for the NFL, this one is tighter: the line gets credit for rushing yardage between 0-3 yards (instead of 0-4) and 50% credit for yards 4-8 (instead of 5-10). Anything over 8 yards is quantified as a highlight opportunity, and credit goes to the runner. As with the pro definition, lost yardage still counts for 125%. (Garbage time is filtered out for all line yardage averages.)
• Standard Downs Line Yards per Carry: The raw, unadjusted per-carry line yardage for a team on standard downs (first down, second-and-7 or fewer, third-and-4 or fewer, fourth-and-4 or fewer).
• Passing Downs Line Yards per Carry: The same unadjusted averages for rushing on passing downs.
• Opportunity Rate: The percentage of carries (when four yards are available) that gain at least four yards, i.e. the percentage of carries in which the line does its job, so to speak.
• Power Success Rate: This is the same as on the NFL side -- percentage of runs on third or fourth down, two yards or less to go, that achieved a first down or touchdown.
• Stuff Rate: Same as STUFFED on the NFL side -- percentage of carries by running backs that are stopped at or before the line of scrimmage.

Pass-blocking stats​

• Sack Rate: Unadjusted sack rate for all non-garbage time pass attempts.
• Standard Downs Sack Rate: Unadjusted sack rate for standard downs pass attempts.
• Passing Downs Sack Rate: Unadjusted sack rate for passing downs pass attempts.

Offense

Avg. Line Yards

Rk

Std. Downs Line Yards

Rk

Pass. Downs Line Yards

Rk

Opp. Rate

Rk

Power Success Rate

Rk

Stuff Rate

Rk

Sack Rate

Rk

Std. Downs Sack Rate

Rk

Pass. Downs Sack Rate

Rk

Indiana

2.35​

119​

2.14​

126​

2.92​

66​

43.50%​

110​

69.20%​

66​

17.90%​

68​

7.50%​

91​

6.00%​

83​

8.20%​

69​

...

 

[vesuvius13]

Here are the stats from a service I use. Its explained on the top with the categories and rank of each category below.​

​

Run-blocking stats​

• Line Yards per Carry: For 2018, we are experimenting with a new definition for college line yardage based on film study and generalization. Instead of the ALY figure FO used for the NFL, this one is tighter: the line gets credit for rushing yardage between 0-3 yards (instead of 0-4) and 50% credit for yards 4-8 (instead of 5-10). Anything over 8 yards is quantified as a highlight opportunity, and credit goes to the runner. As with the pro definition, lost yardage still counts for 125%. (Garbage time is filtered out for all line yardage averages.)
• Standard Downs Line Yards per Carry: The raw, unadjusted per-carry line yardage for a team on standard downs (first down, second-and-7 or fewer, third-and-4 or fewer, fourth-and-4 or fewer).
• Passing Downs Line Yards per Carry: The same unadjusted averages for rushing on passing downs.
• Opportunity Rate: The percentage of carries (when four yards are available) that gain at least four yards, i.e. the percentage of carries in which the line does its job, so to speak.
• Power Success Rate: This is the same as on the NFL side -- percentage of runs on third or fourth down, two yards or less to go, that achieved a first down or touchdown.
• Stuff Rate: Same as STUFFED on the NFL side -- percentage of carries by running backs that are stopped at or before the line of scrimmage.

Pass-blocking stats​

• Sack Rate: Unadjusted sack rate for all non-garbage time pass attempts.
• Standard Downs Sack Rate: Unadjusted sack rate for standard downs pass attempts.
• Passing Downs Sack Rate: Unadjusted sack rate for passing downs pass attempts.

Offense

Avg. Line Yards

Rk

Std. Downs Line Yards

Rk

Pass. Downs Line Yards

Rk

Opp. Rate

Rk

Power Success Rate

Rk

Stuff Rate

Rk

Sack Rate

Rk

Std. Downs Sack Rate

Rk

Pass. Downs Sack Rate

Rk

Indiana

2.35​

119​

2.14​

126​

2.92​

66​

43.50%​

110​

69.20%​

66​

17.90%​

68​

7.50%​

91​

6.00%​

83​

8.20%​

69​

...

Coach Hiller needs to teach the OL some toughness and willingness to get after the defensive players.

 

[Indianaftw]

Coach Hiller needs to teach the OL some toughness and willingness to get after the defensive players.

Whats really disturbing are these reports about McCullough and why he left? Sad man.

 

[Jssanto]

Whats really disturbing are these reports about McCullough and why he left? Sad man.

Why did he leave?