Those first few games this season we were a completely different team. We routed a top 25 team like it was nothing and looked to be at the same level as Duke and Kansas. It seems like after the Arkansas loss, we fell apart. As happy as I am with our record and our come from behind wins over unranked but good Louisville at home and Butler, I think this team has much more in them. First, we have two top NBA draft picks on the floor. Add to that size, depth and players that know how to guard, and we have a top 10 team. I think this young team has to work on careless turnover and working more as a team and less one on one. We need to work on screening to get Romeo open more often and get more open good shots. I think against Marquette we saw our potential and who we can become. Lets hope that this team gets back to that level of playing and we can win the Big Ten and go deep in the tournament this year! My point on this thread is we know the potential is there.
What happened to that team that blew out Marquette?
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The issue starts with thinking this team looked like they were on par with duke and kansas. Expectations shouldn't have been that high even after that win, imo.
Personally, I thought Butler looked more like a top 25 team than we did yesterday. Hopefully the team doesn’t get into the “we can start off slow, get down by double digits, and come back to win” mindset. If we do that against Michigan, Michigan St, or half of the other teams in the Big 10 this season or that matter, it might be a different story
There hasn’t been a consistent third scorer on this team. Fitzner is a total defensive liability. Romeo still looks like a freshman at times.
I completely disagree with that. We are Indiana. An elite team who should expect nothing less than being a top 10 team every year. Especially this year. Morgan will be a top 5 NBA draft pick and Langford will be right around that as well. That's two top future NBA lottery picks in our starting 5. How are we going to ever expect to be more talented than this? Sure, Romeo is a Freshman but that is today's game. He is one and done and so will the Mcdonalds AA we have coming in next year and the year after that and so on. We arent Purdue. We get Mr. Basketballs and Mcdonalds All Americans and they get our refuge. It has always been that way and these past two years has proven it still is. Because of that, we should expect more of our team than a Purdue fan expects of their team.
Morgan in no way will be a top five draft pick. Wow. He will be lucky to get drafted.
Thank you for lightly trolling the board...
I can see Morgan getting drafted, but no way in the Lottery. Unless yesterday becomes the norm.
I was hoping Romeo would forego his freshman season and immediately start playing like a sophomore.
Maybe not a top 5 pick but he will go in the first round. Especially if he keeps playing like he did yesterday.
After your top 5 draft pick comment I realized you are clueless and I stopped reading.
We can’t play every game at home. It’s impossible to overstate the advantage of playing at Assembly Hall.
Yesterday was a great win. Best win of the year so far!
Yesterday was a great win. Best win of the year so far!
Indiana was an elite team but it started to fall apart during Knight’s final years and the destruction was total after Sampson. IU started at ground zero w Crean, leveled off w Cody and Vic and struggled until CAM entered the scene to clean up Crean’s mess. Archie is a good coach for us but until the administration is fully behind the men’s basketball program we’ll never win another NCAA. These aren’t the days of Indiana Farm Bureau commercials, Chuck Marlowe and the Mop Lady. Last time I looked, Purdue is doing pretty well but I doubt their administration cares much for doing what it takes to win at a high level, say, like Butler. If the athletics dept is bringing in enough $$$ why bother spending much more for an unequal return on investment? If Archie can win a championship then maybe McRobbie will reconsider IU’s investment in the basketball program. If McRobbie was truly interested in winning Fred wouldnt be AD. Just my opinion.
Hesitate to ask but enlighten us: what is it Admin should be/isn't doing that would be indicative of being "fully behind the men’s basketball program" and that additionally constitutes "what it takes to win"?
What happened to that team that blew out Marquette?
Discussion in 'TheHoosier.com IU Hoop Forum' started by Bobbyhh, Today at 11:12 AM
That was an interesting question, so I just rewatched the Marquette game to figure it out. My conclusion is that the production of Fitzner and Durham basically peaked against Marquette and has not approached that level since. Fitzner had 16 and 4, and Al had 13 points and 5 assists. Both players hit 3s, and Fitzner was lights out in that game. Their production and offensive threat opened up the floor for Romeo to slash and Morgan to be Morgan playing inside one-on-one. IU had 13 turnovers, which was at an acceptable level as compared to recent games.
It also helps, immensely, that the Marquette game was at SSAH and the place was ROCKING! Marquette had never experienced a crowd like that, and IU fed off of that atmosphere.
Discussion in 'TheHoosier.com IU Hoop Forum' started by Bobbyhh, Today at 11:12 AM
That was an interesting question, so I just rewatched the Marquette game to figure it out. My conclusion is that the production of Fitzner and Durham basically peaked against Marquette and has not approached that level since. Fitzner had 16 and 4, and Al had 13 points and 5 assists. Both players hit 3s, and Fitzner was lights out in that game. Their production and offensive threat opened up the floor for Romeo to slash and Morgan to be Morgan playing inside one-on-one. IU had 13 turnovers, which was at an acceptable level as compared to recent games.
It also helps, immensely, that the Marquette game was at SSAH and the place was ROCKING! Marquette had never experienced a crowd like that, and IU fed off of that atmosphere.
What a mess of a post. Immediate questions that I have:
1) you mention archie and the admin not being fully behind the basketball program in the same sentence. What are you saying here? Archie was one of the most sought after up and coming coaches in the country. Were you expecting something better? If so, what?
2) butler is your example of a program doing what it takes to win? Wtf? Butler is a nice program. They caught lightning in a bottle with brad Stevens. Now they are back to just being a solid program. I'm not sure what you think their admin is doing that shows more commitment than iu. Super weird. Please enlighten us.
3) you mention purdue doing well. Their results the last decade or so are damn near identical to iu. A couple of big ten titles, a few sweet 16s, no deep tourney runs. Why do you say they are doing well?
4) oh! There is is at the end. You just hate fred glass. I'm sorry, you cant post here any longer. Fpeaugh and iugradman have our quota met here on ad hate.
Even though we may not be playing great, the close games ultimately will help in March more than a 20 point blowout. I’m glad we had that Marquette game as a blueprint for a perfect game, but the mental toughness that comes with close games can’t be taught in practice.
Teams scouted players who haven't had many college games. Its DECEMBER and we start 2 freshmen and a sophomore. Marquette isn't near the defensive level as the teams we have seen since (and nobody is really complaining much about the defense, though it certainly can improve despite being what has won us these close games, right?). Though, Marquette is better offensively than most of the teams in the run since. Anyway, playing poorly for stretches on offense and still getting quality wins without bad losses is a sign of optimism for me.
A couple data points:
1) IU was paying very little for buy games so only awful teams would agree to them. This hurt our SOS immensely.
2) It took until late 2018 to have a presentable locker room. IU’s was the worst in the conference until only very recently.
Uh-huh, saw that.
You said this:
But then followed that up with THIS:
So what exactly did beating Butler at BLF have to do with home court advantage at SSAH?
It seems pretty obvious to me that he thinks it was the best win of the year because it was against a decent team and wasn't at Assembly Hall.
This reminds me of a joke.
There are two types of people in the world:
1) Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
1. The coach wanted the schedule he had, it had nothing to do with what we were willing to pay. We paid Crean a large salary and gave him the largest recruiting budget (by far) in the BIG. IU was not adverse to spending money.
2. Cook Hall, Assembly Hall, Memorial Stadium, and various other athletic facilities are being upgraded. We are putting money behind the entire A.D. (Thank you BTN). Before that we were 1 of 2 programs in the BIG that was completely self funded in the AD. Now, I like IU sports as much as the next guy, but charging students an athletic fee on top of what tuition already costs a year so that 30 to 40 people on campus can have a "cool" locker room would have been a total misuse of funds by the school. And yeah, I know other schools are doing it, does not make it anymore right. College athletes (namely basketball and football) already have access to things that the average student would kill to have.
I'm hoping he'll play like a Sophomore next year--just like one, & I think that's what he SHOULD do, but there's almost zero chance he will. He has...a long way to go, he's flashed brilliance, but in all honesty, he is not as advanced as advertised. & Although it's a minor thing as it relates to draft stock, he has absolutely no excuse for being such a poor FT shooter. That drives me INSANE!!! Not just him, but several of our kids. If I were a coach I would go ballistic over that. It's akin to not knowing the snap count in football, or not running balls out in baseball, & those aren't great analogies, but the point is--there's just no excuse for missing that many free throws.
My god, this team isn't and never was going to be top 10. They are a top 25ish team that will finish in the top 4-5 in the Big 10 and if everything goes right might make the second weekend. Your expectations are ridiculous in comparison, there are still a lot of holes on this team.
No, I’d kind of like to know what exactly you think the administration should be doing to support basketball that they are not already doing. We have a gigantic budget and outstanding facilities. Just built a brand new locker room as well.
Thank you for asking in a courteous manner.
I remember a story from way back when IU would release its yearly athletic program news release, maybe a calendar, magazine, something like that. Knight noticed on the cover of the program that the men’s basketball prominence had been reduced to include other sports. He said he knew right then he wouldnt receive the support he needed to succeed as in previous years.
Yes, I realize that doesn’t ‘prove’ anything and maybe that’s just Knight’s ego talking. I don’t know all the particular machinations behind an administration’s support for a particular sport but I imagine an ‘all in’ attitude is just the start. It is good that better facilities have been built, but I would also add a separate living quarters for the team with all the doodads other schools have.
On a personal aside, I’m not even in favor of spending a zillion dollars for such a dormitory unless it is paid by private donations, but if you wanna win ...
Lastly, why do I believe the administration doesn’t have the program’s best interest in mind? Because of Fred Glass. I don’t hate Fred Glass just as I didn’t hate Ghost Tom Crean. Tom reached his high mark w Cody and Vic and shouldhave been replaced after the disastrous Syracuse game. But Fred Glass kept him and let mediocrity continue. I believe an AD, if he wannts to win at a high level needs to be ruthless. Fred just wants to be popular and make funny comments. I think an AD needs to make tough decisions, be willing to eat a contract, demand better schedules, that sort of thing. A successful business starts from the top and demands excellent workers. The administration might be great, the coach might be great, but middle management (AD) might be the issue keeping us from #6.
Again, just my opinion as an observer for forty years, not an athlete or even graduate of the school. Just a fan.
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The team that beat Marquette was there against Butler...they just only showed up for the last 10 minutes of the game, instead of the first 20.
Also, Marquette played like crap against us in the first half, because our defense is basically perfectly designed to stop a ball-hogging volume scorer like Markus Howard, and he played right into it, with a bunch of ill-advised drives and shots.
Most teams aren't so poorly coached that they will try over and over again to do the one thing our defense is designed to stop. Even the coaches at ISU and Ft. Wayne knew better than that. That's why we looked so much better than Marquette, as opposed to the other, better coached teams we've played.
Also, Marquette played like crap against us in the first half, because our defense is basically perfectly designed to stop a ball-hogging volume scorer like Markus Howard, and he played right into it, with a bunch of ill-advised drives and shots.
Most teams aren't so poorly coached that they will try over and over again to do the one thing our defense is designed to stop. Even the coaches at ISU and Ft. Wayne knew better than that. That's why we looked so much better than Marquette, as opposed to the other, better coached teams we've played.
Seriously?
Someone was asking where the team is that beat Marquette. My response is essentially it’s the same team but we won’t look as good away from AH.
Then I said it was still a great win. It impresses me more to beat a team by 1 on a neutral site than to beat the same team by 30 at home.
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