We have one but didn't play him until it was too late. The Portal is key and we need a dual threat guy. Not seeing much there yet.
What caused the last two seasons?
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IU had covid issues like everyone else. Our rivals want to downplay our sucess with that BS.
Hell, covid cost IU an I on the chain for god's sake.
Those two years TA had things rolling. They were both solid teams. Tom Allen has since lost the momentum he had and seems unlikely to get it back. As I have said many times,...Staff churn is one of the big contributors IMO.
Nor does yours, especially in light of the facts I’ve repeatedly laid out, but we can certainly agree to disagree. It’s all water under the bridge now as even people who got fooled by 2020 realize we need new leadership.
IU will never be able to consistently recruit enough skill to win on both sides of the ball. In my opinion, IU was really onto something running the academy offense the last two games. Run that and put your best athletes on defense where your defensive-minded coach knows what to do with them. That’s a recipe for consistent bowl-level seasons. Done and done.
Given the OL situation, sticking with CB or JT made no sense. They got it right the last two games but then lighting struck yet again.
1. Lost recruiting momentum
2. Lost DeBoer.
3. Lost Wommack.
2. Lost DeBoer.
3. Lost Wommack.
DeBoer wasn't here in 2020 for the millionth time
Last year's recruiting class Dasan and Lucas was best graded ever.
We have never replaced Jamar Johnson as a ball hawk.
The offense in 2020 wasn't as good as it was in 2019 either. I'm not sure how much of that was because we didn't play the out of conference games but it started the downward movement that year.
So losing DeBoer doesnt still have impact in 2021 or 2022? Of course it does.
Same with the insistence sportswriters recruiting “ratings” matter - they don’t. (Same guys said McCulley was a great QB.) I’ve watched 50 superstar recruits who were allegedly gonna change IU football fail to make much impact. Dasan and Lucas weren’t enough - we went 4-8 because we implemented a complicated O scheme that required a mobile QB after taking an immobile portal QB.
Yeah when Penix threw for 400 yards at OSU it looked awful. But hey it had nothing to do with a healthy Michael Penix. It was all DeBoer right?
It was both.
DeBoer knew how to use Penix.
Some “it’s all about me and my brilliance” OC’s might make him run a dual-threat “pass-run” read-the-safety-shoestrings triple option veer.
Doesn't change my opinion.
DeBoer + Penix was great.
Losing them is still hurting this team TODAY.
IU shoulda tried to keep DeBoer AND Wommack, at all costs, and if DeBoer stayed, so woulda Penix.
Penix was Kellen Lewis on passing steroids.
The only way KD would’ve stayed was if we fired Allen and made him the head coach. Been there, done that, failed at that.
We missed on KD. He likely would have stayed if the money was right.
Nope. He wanted to be a head coach. He had no ties to the midwest or IU. He had the chance to take his family back to CA where he had roots. He only had to put in 2 years to get a much better HC opportunity than IU. By all accounts he liked IU and his time here - but he had plans to be running his own program. Losing him was inevitable.
He didn't have that opportunity in B'town. At that point, nobody was thinking about firing Tom Allen. DeBoer had a great opportunity to become a head coach at a place where he had strong ties and a high possibility of immediate success. He wasn't staying for any amount of money when that opportunity arose. A guy with DeBoer's history and ambition doesn't have any intention of spending his career as a highly-paid coordinator. Wishful thinking, hindsight, and revisionism do not equal reality.
This version has been around for awhile. They could have kept him, but they are not serious enough about staff comp
This version has been around because it's the only logical version if you understand anything about the nature of coaches/coaching.
And, therefore, you probably shouldn’t state it with such certainty if you’re unwilling to offer proofs or reveal supposed sources, a habit of yours, one which is rather reminiscent of your foil.
If you think he was going to stay here as a coordinator simply for more $, and pass up the opportunity to become a FBS head coach, you clearly don't understand the nature of people in this profession. But as long as it fits your bias and your narrative, believe what you wish.
Interesting. Two people stating their rather different opinions. Not sure what your role is.
I never pretend to have "sources". If I have one I state who it is at least by reference. No idea where that came from. I think you have me mixed up with someone else.
It’s easy enough to do so, really, the mixing up.
But that aside, you’ve yet to explain on what grounds rests your certainty about the arrangement which could have been reached with KD. We’re all ears, all of us.
Sorry, I'm late to the party on this post, but, again, we don't have to over-think it:
What caused the last two years?
BAD OFFENSIVE LINE PLAY
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Neither has anyone else.
Money talks.
But seriously, thanks so very much for your concern and undivided attention.
Well, that and the loss of the exclusive Covid Invisibility Shield (CIS) that was installed over all of the athletic complex.
Actually you are spot on. OL play limited the running game, the passing game, broke two QBs and kept the defense (and the opponents offense) on the field way too much.
We all blame Hiller and TA for keeping him 18 months too long, and that may be accurate...but none of us really know.
What a mess.
There needs to be a limit on how much NIL money is obtained each year to even out that huge disparity in programs. They will probably never do that, though, and that could be a huge problem in the future. Many football programs dropped the sport in the 1950s because they could no longer afford it. The great San Francisco team of 1951, who had a huge number of NFL stars, dropped it right after that season.
Correct! That was the anchor that didn't get lifted until half way through this season. Now they have to rebuild it all over again.
So let’s say the NIL limit is $5,000,000 per year.
Would it take LSU/Texas/A&M.etc 1,2 or 3 seconds to exceed the limit with under the table money? My guess is 1 second.
The bigger threat to IU is the ability to leave the program without sitting out a year as that means we might lose virtually any of our players that have a good season.
There was already a HUGE disparity in programs prior to NIL and that’s not changing. We don’t need Texas NIL money but do need enough to compete with the lower-middle tier teams (ie to play in the same sand box we, and 85% of teams, have always been in ).
One of the things I thought I saw early was what appeared to have been the complete lack of coaching directed at the upper classmen. It just looked liked the thought they were already game ready (they weren't, not even close) and didn't bother to.get them ready...😖
I expect there would be cheating at some programs. I don't know if there is any accounting so the NCAA would be able to penalize those schools exceeding the limit. I was just trying to think of some way the less profitable programs would have a chance. If a team does develop a sleeper player into a star he will probably leave for more money.
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