Tenn will be a great defensive team. They were flying around. Some killer big guards too.I didn’t see the exhibition, but…,,
Isn’t it reasonable to think that both teams would be further along defensively, than offensively? Especially considering each team with a number of new portal players.
Thanks for the reply. No doubt we have players to be maybe top ten good. The offensive scares me. Long stretches of lots of dribbling and no scoring. We can’t be great and have those 5-7 minutes scoring droughts in the game.Pace. More players involved making plays with the ball. Less double post. Nothing earth shatteringly different. But I saw enough that I didn't feel compelled to come here and bash Woodson...which I've done numerous times after games since he arrived in Bloomington. And I'm sure I'll do at some point this season.
I was hoping for it, but asking someone like Woodson to completely change his offense is probably not overly realistic. There are still going to be a lot of ISO elements. He's still going to run certain things through the post. And ironically, it'll never look like the offense he became an All American in during college. Its going to cost him some games this year, and will continue to hold him back recruiting certain types of high level perimeter prospects.
But I did come away more encouraged than I expected to be, after seeing the score, and following along on Hooky's play by play in the chat. Certainly not Coach Cignetti levels of encouraged, but I can see some things there...
Agree on all. One minor quibble with Rice were the few times I thought he over dribbled. But overall he was great.Interesting game. Offense was a bit better, but I get the concerns, I have them. Defense was pretty good. Despite some of our struggles, we beat a good team on the road, and we have obvious upside with two key players getting back in the line-up, and Carlyle can do a lot more once he gets comfortable.
Overall... pretty encouraging for an early scrimmage. Rice was better than I expected and I had some high expectations. Wow.
And Tennessee shot very poorly from deep too. It kills me how fans see one game, an exhibition game no less, and they project out the entire year one facet of play from that one performance. Tennessee and IU will both have much better shooting performances going forward. Guaranteed. Or does that not fit into your agenda?Not sure a contender….4/19 from 3 and no bench scoring. Cupps, Hatton, Goode gave nothing
Over dribbling, and balls sticking too long, is a by product of most of the stuff Woodson runs offensively. I think Rice executed what we traditionally know of Woodson's offense, very well.Agree on all. One minor quibble with Rice were the few times I thought he over dribbled. But overall he was great.
Reneau going to be solid this year. I wish he'd move the ball a little quicker at times. Sometimes it sticks too long.
Agenda?? Or was that maybe a concern coming in with this roster and it shows it didn’t improve.And Tennessee shot very poorly from deep too. It kills me how fans see one game, an exhibition game no less, and they project out the entire year one facet of play from that one performance. Tennessee and IU will both have much better shooting performances going forward. Guaranteed. Or does that not fit into your agenda?
It didn't improve? Based on an October charity game? This is exactly what pushing an agenda means.Agenda?? Or was that maybe a concern coming in with this roster and it shows it didn’t improve.
Fair point.Over dribbling, and balls sticking too long, is a by product of most of the stuff Woodson runs offensively. I think Rice executed what we traditionally know of Woodson's offense, very well.
It literally improved, dramatically, within the game.Agenda?? Or was that maybe a concern coming in with this roster and it shows it didn’t improve.
Our top two bench players didn't play lolNot sure a contender….4/19 from 3 and no bench scoring. Cupps, Hatton, Goode gave nothing
Carlyle I fear wont live up to alot of peoples hype as a 14ppg+ scorer. Atleast not this season.Based solely on what I've seen in the scrimmage and exhibition game, Rice is much better than I thought he would be and, thus far, I could say the opposite about Carlisle. Thankfully it's only October.
I gave up wasting time on bsmitty. He's an obvious Purdoo fan. Every post he makes is tearing down IU or defending the Broilees. He makes it obvious when he gets super defensive on anything negative said about Purdoo here.It literally improved, dramatically, within the game.
Carlyle played extremely well defensively and had 4 assists. This likely goes unnoticed in an exhibition game.
Let's hope Tucker makes us forget all about McNeeley.Yeah, he and McNeeley are breathing a sigh of relief right now.
There is an obvious effort to push the tempo. I would venture to guess that (save Ballo, Hatton and Dallas) anyone who gets the rebound has the green light to get it and go. I still get frustrated at the lack of player movement in the half court. I’m not going to kid anyone, I’m no basketball savant. But I judge an offense based on how I would feel trying to defend against it. There isn’t much that we do that seems to make the defense work. Guys are stationary a lot. But there are a lot of ways to skin a cat and as long as it wins I guess I don’t really care what it looks like.Its hard to say this when the team struggled so much for a good chunk of the game, but I was actually encouraged by the offense.
First of all, Tennessee is an elite defensive program, and they have a lot of length and athleticism to continue that this season. A lot of teams are going to struggle to score against them this year.
Further, I've been one of Woodson's biggest critics when it comes to the offensive style he's implemented while at IU. And while I'd like to see a little more ball and player movement, overall, I did like the pace of play for longer stretches being faster. And there seemed to be much less dribble ISO and post ISO stuff than his teams normally employ.
I still have concerns his system won't be dynamic enough, and/or varied enough, to allow us to consistently beat top 20 level teams this year. With the lack in overall ball and player movement, at times, the offense will be prone to being stagnant for stretches...and that will hurt us against good teams at times. But to just say the offense looked the "same", isn't accurate.
I think Trey could end up being a huge "addition" to what we saw yesterday as well. If nothing else, Trey does move the ball with pace. With him off the ball, its one less guy that the ball should stop or "die" with.
Looked like he tweaked his back too. He was wincing and grabbing at it.Carlyle played extremely well defensively and had 4 assists. This likely goes unnoticed in an exhibition game.
Was it from that fall late?Looked like he tweaked his back too. He was wincing and grabbing at it.
Didn't watch him a ton, but I did see him on the perimeter set to shoot and calling for the ball. Didn't come to him, but had it, I have no doubt he was pulling the trigger. He looked like he put on weight and looked better moving with and without the ball I thought, for the limited time I saw him. I think he'll be solid for what he is: a backup PG. With both Carlyle and Galloway, I think they'll take some of his minutes so I doubt he'll get much more than 10 a game, but I think he'll be fine and will be one of our better spot up shooters.I appreciate Cupps and am glad he dons the cream and crimson, but, hoops-wise, he might have been better off at a mid-major. That said, he's only played one season plus one exhibition game, so the jury is still out.
If Cupps wants to be a solid contributor at IU, he needs to look for his shot MUCH more. Everyone with an iota of basketball knowledge realizes IU has been in desperate need of a consistent perimeter threat since Woody stepped foot on campus. Maybe GC will be that guy someday. 🫰
Cupps was fine last night in limited minutes. Attacked the basket on multiple occasions and played solid defense on Ziegler.Didn't watch him a ton, but I did see him on the perimeter set to shoot and calling for the ball. Didn't come to him, but had it, I have no doubt he was pulling the trigger. He looked like he put on weight and looked better moving with and without the ball I thought, for the limited time I saw him. I think he'll be solid for what he is: a backup PG. With both Carlyle and Galloway, I think they'll take some of his minutes so I doubt he'll get much more than 10 a game, but I think he'll be fine and will be one of our better spot up shooters.
Haha making 1 three improves it when you were 0-11It literally improved, dramatically, within the game.
Which means they were 4 for 8 in the second half. Kinda fits the narrative of what he said no?Haha making 1 three improves it when you were 0-11
No narrative other than identifying we still struggle to shoot from outside.Which means they were 4 for 8 in the second half. Kinda fits the narrative of what he said no?
someone in here posted how Ballo go his shot blocked in yesterdays game. UT had two guys that played above the rim and were excellent shot blockers. No cause for concern getting your shot blocked by those guys.....Tenn will be a great defensive team. They were flying around. Some killer big guards too.
I’d be shocked if they are not top ten in Kenpom on d at the end of the year.
Not your narrative, the narrative of the poster who said there was major improvement over the course of the game.No narrative other than identifying we still struggle to shoot from outside.
That's not our full bench but you know that. Add Tucker and Galloway who will play in front of everyone listed.Not sure a contender….4/19 from 3 and no bench scoring. Cupps, Hatton, Goode gave nothing
Easily, probably lower, considering they were #3 last year but probably 110 in offense. They don't have a go to guy or a main scoring threat and that showed at end game.I’d be shocked if they are not top ten in Kenpom on d at the end of the year.
right, but that's a positive for IU... which doesn't fit bsmitty's narrative.Which means they were 4 for 8 in the second half. Kinda fits the narrative of what he said no?
He's sure watching with great anticipation for the first sign of struggle.right, but that's a positive for IU... which doesn't fit bsmitty's narrative.
I guess if you view that as progress than ok. 4-19 from 3 is bad anyway you spin itright, but that's a positive for IU... which doesn't fit bsmitty's narrative.
How is that spin? 0% in the first half to 50% in the second. No spin whatsoever. That does not constitute improvement over the course of the game?I guess if you view that as progress than ok. 4-19 from 3 is bad anyway you spin it