I get that, but the bigger reason he was let go is the type of characters Sampson and allowed to come in. There were some bad hombres.
I couldn't care less about the three way calls.
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We fired Sampson
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I couldn't care less about the three way calls.
They just don't understand the drugs and thugs that he had at IU. It was basically inmates raping girls on campus. Just ask this board.
IU would have gotten far worse than losing a scholarship to keep Samscum, he was given a show cause and out of college ball for five years, had IU fought it they'd have gotten the death penalty
They could have not been allowed to play basketball for 5 years, 100% should have kept him. NO1 calls him samscum except IU fans.
no1 thinks he's dirty, He's a HOF coach, and IU fans are complete morons for thinking he is dirty.
Cancel the season fir IU, 2 year ban on participating in NCAA events or games in bashetball and a 5 year TV ban, see SMU death penalty. The president of the college coaching association called for harsher penalties on extra contacts, saying other than money it was the most effective way to cheat. Then prsident's name Kelvin Samscum, while in the middle of his cheating spree at OU.. Kelvin put himself in the NCAA cross hairs and he would have never coached a game at IU had they tried keeping him, IU would have gotten the death penalty without doubt or hesitation.
Damn you actually believe the BS you’re spouting too.
If IU operated like KU, UK, LOU, or UNC nothing would have happened. Nada. All IUs doing so people like you think they were operating in a must fire situation. Man. They gotcha!!
You couldn’t be more right. Sampson was as pure as the wind driven snow. It was all those around him at Oklahoma, and then Indiana that acted outside the rules; Sampson, here as he was, was betrayed and targeted via the university.
Enough with the revisionist history. It’s all been documented what he did how his players were failing, how there was drug use in the locker room. unfortunately for Sampson he learned from this and seems to have turned it around..
Continue to think that if we had kept him, we’d have 12 banners now and everything would just be excellent. Doing so lets you ignore the facts and the actual truth of our situation and how it came about.
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That's a long reply to my little joke about how dumb I think it is for people post that they think we could have retained Sampson.
And, agreed.,
He didn't get a show cause for phone calls. He received a show cause for lying to the NCAA. He was f***** regardless if IU fired him or not.
IU did not hire Samscum from OU. OU fired him, despite the OU AD liking him, he had to let the cheater go. U picked him up from the rubbish bin, knowing he was a cheater, then didn't supervise him as required by the NCAA regs.
here is the facts and actual truth. It is the only truth that is known. Since we fired him we have went to two sweet 16s in what 20 years now? Kelvin has also gone to how many now at a school that had won 2 tourney games since 85 before he came. Those are the facts.
No, he's right, Herbert insisted on Sampson, the AD did not want Samscum at IU. It was the same as the Woodson hire, the AD was told who to hire by people higher up the food chain.
Bullshit. Great basketball coach, but his sanctions and subsequent show-cause will always follow him.
It absolutely was, All of Samscum's success before the show cause was from cheating. He was a mediocre recruiter until he got out the phone and tripled the amount of allowed calls to recruits and ignored no contact periods.
None of those guys had reached campus yet. Why do you think he brought in a bunch of JUCO's his first year?
Yeah iu was looking for a known cheater with a mediocre record before he dialed his way to better recruits. Learn the full details of this before you keep showing your ignorance
Can you name a great coach who doesn't have sanctions, reprimands, or questionable incidents somewhere in his past?
Great coaches work just on the edge of dirty, because all the other ones do too, and that's how you have to do to win at that level. If you want squeaky clean and successful, don't look at any high D1 program. Maybe D3.
And he lied like crazy to IU-his employer at the time. That'll get you fired anywhere.
You don't know what the f*** you're talking about. Pulling Sampson when we did would be the equivalent of pulling somebody like Nate Oats today. He was more than qualified to coach at IU based on resume.
How many great coaches have a 5 year show-cause on their record and nobody talks/remembers it after the fact?
I'm not disagreeing that the best coaches bend the rules. But bending the rules and actually getting caught and punished for said rule breaking are two different things.
No, Kelvin Sampson was not fired by the University of Oklahoma. Instead, he resigned in 2006 to take the head coaching position at Indiana University. However, his tenure at Oklahoma ended under the shadow of an NCAA investigation that found he and his staff had made over 500 impermissible phone calls to recruits between 2000 and 2004. These violations could have jeopardized his position had he stayed at Oklahoma15.
Sampson's subsequent tenure at Indiana also ended in controversy, as he faced additional NCAA violations for similar infractions, leading to his resignation in 200846.
Citations:
- https://www.sportscasting.com/news/...n-banned-coaching-college-basketball-5-years/
- https://www.si.com/college/indiana/...iness-during-kelvin-sampson-rob-senderoff-era
- https://www.espn.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&sportCat=ncb&id=3244843
- https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/news/story?id=3725832
- https://www.cbssports.com/college-b...led-for-ncaa-violations-that-are-now-allowed/
- https://indianahq.com/kelvin-sampson/
- https://www.chicagotribune.com/2019...estored-houston-to-prominence-and-vice-versa/
- https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...=2ahUKEwiBvue97rSMAxV0cvUHHXiiBzQQ_B16BAgBEAI
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Such an ironic post considering you're trying to tell us OU fired him before we hired him. Go back to the Boiler Upload shithole.
None of the recruits centered around the investigation made it to campus. Tu Holloway, Devin Ebanks, etc
So he resigned before he was fired, mostly semantics but I accept the correction.
Purdue got a tap on the wrist and a few forfeited games for much worse.
He wasn't close to being fired from Oklahoma. Sampson and Joe Castilgione had a great working relationship and still have a relationship to this day. He was saddened when Sampson left for IU.
Look, can we end the thread and be one big happy family again?
If the reports of Drew Adams coming on board are true. And the belief by Cavanagh (ed.) and others that he's been part of shady AAU-style recruiting that other big programs have long been involved with. It means we have our Sampson-style guy now. So the pro Sampson crowd can be fully on board. As well as the anti-Sampsonites since he will not be coaching here.
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If the reports of Drew Adams coming on board are true. And the belief by Cavanagh (ed.) and others that he's been part of shady AAU-style recruiting that other big programs have long been involved with. It means we have our Sampson-style guy now. So the pro Sampson crowd can be fully on board. As well as the anti-Sampsonites since he will not be coaching here.
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No U, and he sucked at cheating before. If we are gonna cheat, cheat with Sampson caliber folks.
Don't forget that he lied to investigators to add to the problems of the repeat violations at IU, and that went over like a lead balloon with the NCAA.
Really a car ride is worse than repeated systematic cheating in recruiting? You are either uninformed or a complete moron.
Even Kraft points out Samscum resigned from OU to avoid being fired. IU hired him off the unemployment line.
Like every other coach in the country was doing? Yes, I'm sure the amount of texts he sent motivated players to sign with him.
*eyeroll*
According to Samscum, it was the second most effective way to cheat, behind only paying players, that was just before he got caught while he was college basketball association president calling for stricter controls and harsher punishments on guilty coaches, all while he was dialing away cheating his ass off.
