Tuttle decision soon?
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He will participate in spring practice whether he's eligible to play next season or no. So I'm not sure what the rush is per se. But I would think we would know within the next few weeks what the decision is.
True,I would venture to say it wouldn’t be near as complicated if it were Michigan or OSU.
They misread his name . . . thought it was Turtle . . . decided to take it nice and sloooooooow.
If that is the case then it can be drawn to a true conclusion that the NCAA ONLY lets the big boys get away with this. Fields went through pretty much the same circumstance as Tuttle but of course Fields got his ruling rather quickly
Fields had a better reason although common sense would tell you since he didn't leave immediately and his sister is still there that it didn't really drive his decision. He had a lawyer as well and I don't know if Tuttle/IU do. NCAA usually caves to threats of legal action because they know they are sitting on a one legged stool.
There are always kids out there who were good hs quarterbacks who are willing to walk on at a P5 school. A lot of them are smart kids who know they lack some of the physical tools to have scholarship offers, but they want to come to school at a place like IU (particularly in-state kids whose friends are coming here). Many of them know that professional football is not going to be a career and they would rather be IU students than continue playing at a lower level. This was exactly the case for my roommate back in the 1970's.
Coaches like these kids because they typically are high-character guys who know how to work. They love football and being a walk-on is a chance to stay involved in the game. They are also valuable as scout-team players because they learn quickly. Most of them have other skills as well. They have been holders, kickers, punters, return guys, etc. They can be sent to work with specialists during practice without sacrificing key position players each practice.
Some of them manage to see the field on special teams or work their way into a position on the two-deep eventually, although a lot of them spend their careers on the sidelines. It's also not unusual for these kinds of players to end up as coaches. For college coaches, nothing is better than low-risk guys who tend to be great teammates because they are willing to accept their role in the program.
Being a walk-on is not for everyone. It is literally all the work and almost none of the benefits of being a scholarship guy. Many only do it for a year or two and move on to being a regular student - or decide they really do want to play on Saturday and transfer to lower divisions. Either way, I have a lot of respect for those kids and always root for them to find some reward. It was really great to see a kid like Fiacable get to take some meaningful snaps in the BSU game last year (not sure if he was a walk-on, but obviously a kid who knew he was never going to be "the guy"). Like student managers, PWOs are a critical component of most programs.
Excellent post and most HS QBs have been holders during their career and they are valuable to the team for the scout team. You never know when one of the walk on QBs will be a diamond in the rough and turn into a very good QB for the team. With the speed and skills some have they can move to a different position and excel IE the slot position.
I have my doubts on whether Tuttle is cleared. The NCAA is a fvcking joke and these latest decisions prove that fact. They move at lightening speeds for Ohio State but stall on a critical decision regarding Tuttle and Indiana...what a MFing joke!!
Sometimes I wish I would simply quit following, watching and supporting collegiate sports.
Sometimes I wish I would simply quit following, watching and supporting collegiate sports.
Fields had the racial incident with which to threaten and the NCAA wanted no part of it. Tuttle doesn't have that part or a lawyer. My guess is the NCAA denies him eligibility this year.
Just remember how they treated the Fitzgerald case (appeal). Screw the student-athlete especially if that SA is at IU playing football.
Just remember how they treated the Fitzgerald case (appeal). Screw the student-athlete especially if that SA is at IU playing football.
Because the standard is no longer "egregious behavior" by the previous school but rather "documented mitigating circumstances that are outside the student-athlete's control and directly impact the health, safety and well-being of the student-athlete." Obviously the new standard is very subjective and allows for a pretty liberal interpretation.
Since the new guidelines were implemented, 79% of football waiver requests have been approved.
So Tuttle needs to just" elaborate" a bit on an "extenuating circumstance" and it should be approved.
However... I kind of want Tuttle to be intelligible and give Penix something an extra year to get fully healthy. I'd be okay if Ramsey were to be the starter this year and let Tuttle/Penix battle it out next year. Ramsey can grad transfer somewhere - he would be highly sought after, imo. Besides, I think Debord was 95% the problem anyway, and Ramsey is a fine game manager QB.
If you broke down film of IU, you see how Ramsey created problems for the OL by bailing out when he could have stepped up in the pocket. You would also see that he didn't read intermediate routes therefore missed open receivers that could pick up yards before getting hit. I appreciate Ramsey but his limitations limited the offense more than DeBord did. With two strong armed QBs we will see how well Ramsey competes for the starting position.
Thank you. Appreciate the info.
I understand what you are saying and I don't necessarily disagree. However, in that same film, you can see that Debord's offense was less a system, but more a collection of plays. Debord's system needed a superstar QB and required too much of Ramsey and therefore he was set up to fail. He needed a Josh Dobbs (or Penix, but that's another conversation).
On the otherhand Deboer's offense is a true system, instead of just a collection of plays. It schemes together plays that play off of, and set up each other. Inside, outside, steering the defense one way then going the other. It is about getting the ball to play makers in space without requiring the QB to be a superstar. If you saw at Fresno, the TEs and RBs caught the most passes because they were the #1 option, instead of merely a dump off safety blanket for the QB if he couldnt make something happen.
I'm not saying Ramsey is better than the other two. I'm just saying we'll be better on offense in 2019 even if Tuttle is not eligible and Penix isn't 100%.
With another 1,000 yard RB, I have no doubt we are goin to score more, perhaps lots more. Hard not to imagine 1-2 more wins really.
You see the difference when you watch how DeBoer's offense responds to defensive efforts to stop them. One short coming IU's offense has had under DeBord was just looking for a play to gain yards as the plays didn't mesh with how the defense responded to the prior play.
I too am confident that the offense will be better. But, to me, will our defense be better? That will be the difference in 1 or 2
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The offense will be better because you will have a better quarterback either as a third year starter or one of two 4 stars plus players with more experience.
Coach Allen yesterday: "We don't ever know for sure, but I would assume here in the next week or so just based on when everything was turned in. So hopefully we'll get some closure on that either way."
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We have a decision and we will have another 3 way battle for the starting QB job. We have a front runner coming off an injury, a promising player that has never played, and an experienced player with more heart than ability.
My hope is that Penix or Tuttle is the clear #1 early and can run practices knowing they are the starter. I am not expecting any to make a big difference, but that can change if we have an offense with well designed and executed plays.
Someone has to teach our receivers how to run a pass pattern. We have had good receivers, but our routes have been poor. We need to create separation to give the QB the confidence t throw the ball where we can complete more than a 5 yard completion.
We will have to accept more interceptions and mistakes until a young QB learns from their mistakes. The alternative is Ramsey. He is solid and a good option for a team with a defense that can shut down the other team.
My hope is that Penix or Tuttle is the clear #1 early and can run practices knowing they are the starter. I am not expecting any to make a big difference, but that can change if we have an offense with well designed and executed plays.
Someone has to teach our receivers how to run a pass pattern. We have had good receivers, but our routes have been poor. We need to create separation to give the QB the confidence t throw the ball where we can complete more than a 5 yard completion.
We will have to accept more interceptions and mistakes until a young QB learns from their mistakes. The alternative is Ramsey. He is solid and a good option for a team with a defense that can shut down the other team.
The good news is that our new OC played WR so I'm certain he knows what he wants to see from our Receivers and has communicated that to the staff and the players.
Based on a video posted today from their twitter account the receivers looked like they were running nice crisp routes. Which is a great sign
