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Trump's ending the war

Just curious, why do you care so much about the war ending. Do you have relatives in the region. Not trying to be a dick with this question.

As I see it, Putin is 100 percent to blame fur this and Russia should not see any benefits from this invasion.

I agree with your assessment vis-à-vis Russia being the aggressor, being to blame and that they shouldn't benefit whatsoever from their aggression in Ukraine (including Crimea). They shouldn't be rewarded, but they will be. This is but another chapter in post Soviet Union Russia's playbook of attempts to exert their influence in their former Republics. They foment dissent by backing seperatist groups, which are funded and trained by Russia, and ultimately putting their own boots on the ground take what they want.

As far as your curiosity, I imagine Snarl is like many and fears that the longer this war goes on the more likely that twunt Putin will do something that destabilizes the entire region leading to a larger conflict.
 
The Neville Chamberlain of our time - Donald Trump. Appeasing Putin at every chance he gets. Spouting Russian disinformation and throwing away alliances with our best allies. It will take decades for the U.S. to recover from this on the international stage.
Now Putin is Hitler. From Stalin to Hitler.
Another (among many) reminder of the abject failure of the American educational system.
 
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You really think he wouldn't have done the same under Trump?

Are you really comfortable with how Trump is making Z and Ukraine out to be the ones at fault.

Let's not pretend we have not benefited at all from this war. We provided Ukraine with a lot of older equipment, we have learned a ton about drone warfare, and have seen firsthand how weak the Russian army is. All without putting an American soldier in harms way. The only thing propping Russia up is nukes.

Trump's just pissed because Zelensky won't sign over mineral rights.
 
So if Putin threatens nuclear war we should immediately surrender to him because, well, what if he's serious? Is that really the precedent you want to set? North Korea has nukes, how much should we pay them not to attack us?
No. Let’s continue to send billions to Ukraine while we are going broke. Let’s continue to support Ukraine in a war it has zero chance of winning while countless more humans die. That’s what you are for, whether you understand it or not.
 
No. Let’s continue to send billions to Ukraine while we are going broke. Let’s continue to support Ukraine in a war it has zero chance of winning while countless more humans die. That’s what you are for, whether you understand it or not.

I am all for any solution that doesn't reward countries for naked land grabs. You want more of these wars because allowing it will send a message it is open season on your neighbor. How many more will die as every country sizes up their neighbors.
 
I am all for any solution that doesn't reward countries for naked land grabs. You want more of these wars because allowing it will send a message it is open season on your neighbor. How many more will die as every country sizes up their neighbors.
You are for “any solution that doesn’t reward countries for naked land grabs”. Any solution? Really? You simply confirmed my previous post was correct. We are not the world’s police. And we shouldn’t be.

What you fear, is unlikely to happen.
 
American guarantees to Ukraine will be seen as trustworthy as the Budapest Agreement is looked at now.

Quite a few "conservatives" have lost the forest for the trees.
The U.S. didn’t violate the Budapest Memorandum. In fact, we’ve done quite a bit to try and uphold it.

Quite a few “Conservatives” have cast off realpolitik in favor of jingoism and protracted military quagmires.
 
He gave Soviet-Russia 11 billion dollars of that money to supply them during the war. It wasn't repaid.
I seem to remember reading once that we agreed to a settlement with the Soviets many years later that they would repay some of the Lend Lease funds in exchange for Most Favored Nation trade status…which we never gave to them until after the dissolution of the USSR.
 
Now Putin is Hitler. From Stalin to Hitler.
Another (among many) reminder of the abject failure of the American educational system.
U.S. involvement in Ukraine will be looked at historically speaking as more analogous to our involvement in Vietnam than our involvement in WW2.

Granted not nearly as calamitous as Vietnam’s given 10’s of thousands of lives won’t have been lost. But all the same pointlessness and mismanagement to achieve a goal of little strategic value.
 
I have an idea I have not seen, the two captured Oblasts become DMZ independent country. Sure, it will vote in a pro-Russian government. But the UN patrols it to keep everyone out, NATO, Ukraine, Russia. Over time I suspect they become less pro-Russian.
Who do we see as Our biggest threat? China?
 
The U.S. didn’t violate the Budapest Memorandum. In fact, we’ve done quite a bit to try and uphold it.

Quite a few “Conservatives” have cast off realpolitik in favor of jingoism and protracted military quagmires.
Yeah, some realpolitik genius being demonstrated at the moment. Totally practical to have your opponent in the unfavorable position after dumping $100B into having him grind his Army into dust only to give up everything before you even get to the negotiation table all while throwing your allies under the bus to boot.

****ing genius I tell you. Bismarck ain't got nothing on this Grandmaster.
 
Yeah, some realpolitik genius being demonstrated at the moment. Totally practical to have your opponent in the unfavorable position after dumping $100B into having him grind his Army into dust only to give up everything before you even get to the negotiation table all while throwing your allies under the bus to boot.

****ing genius I tell you. Bismarck ain't got nothing on this Grandmaster.
Unfavorable position? Is that your assessment of this conflict, that Ukraine has Russia on the ropes and is about to take back territory?

Get serious please. Kyiv stands, Ukraine is sovereign, as long as that remains the case we are not “giving up everything”.

A ceasefire will be reached, hopefully by the end of the year. The terms will be seen as eminently reasonable by a majority of Americans.

Those with an axe to grind will lament it as appeasement and cowardice.

We need to work you back into shape, once a reasonable poster in my view. Everyone’s a small c conservative until their little corner of the government gets targeted.
 


If true, greatest negotiator ever. Wonder if Vlad gave Trump the courtesy of a reach around.
As far as concessions go, not a terrible one. Especially if it’s a sticking point for Russia.

What’s that total amount to? Like 500 troops?

 
You are for “any solution that doesn’t reward countries for naked land grabs”. Any solution? Really? You simply confirmed my previous post was correct. We are not the world’s police. And we shouldn’t be.

What you fear, is unlikely to happen.
Right, it has never happened before. Look up casualties from WWI and 2. Look up Japan's expansion in Dec.-Jan of 1941.North Korea trying to take South Korea.

We aren't being the world's policemen, we aren't committing any troops to Ukraine at all. Policemen have to physically intervene and we haven't and will not. The majority of equipment we send them is stuff we were going to scrap. Our front line equipment isn't going. So yes, sending them an older M1A1 that was going to be decommissioned goes in the books as a cost to the US, but in reality it isn't. We are the world's high end junkyard.

I feel very confident we are working inside the system Ike wanted. He used to be considered a conservative. You might look at all the treaties we still have today started by Ike.
 

Considering Chicago's notoriously tough gun laws, it's interesting to ponder whether we'd be better armed -- even if Illinois has almost twice Indiana's population.

Of course, Central and Southern Illinois might break off and join with us.

But, then, Chicagoans have more experience killing people. Their homicide rate is 23 per 100k and Indiana's is only about 6.2. So there's that too.
 
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