Trump Zelensky today.....

[GooglyMooglyWooglyBoogly]

It's unfortunate that a populist position regarding the NATO(US) catastrophic adventure in Ukraine engenders a response of such poor quality.
To think that understanding the dynamic involved in my experience, would codify my response to the disaster in Ukraine is foolish.
NATO(US) provoked this conflict, largely funded by a mix of Federal Agencies, including USAID, CIA, State Department, FDA, CDC. The graft, fraud and corruption is endemic to the modern Federal government and Ukraine is like a new sandbox.
Another fine mess this bunch of inept placeholders has gotten us into.

Mas. Something that I feel Western media has not given enough time of day to is the treatment of ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine post 2014 up until Russia’s invasion in 2022.

I’ve heard reports that it was abhorrent and conflicting assurances that it was a Putin psyop and the only people targeted were Russian proxy forces.

Can you clarify?

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

It's unfortunate that a populist position regarding the NATO(US) catastrophic adventure in Ukraine engenders a response of such poor quality.
To think that understanding the dynamic involved in my experience, would codify my response to the disaster in Ukraine is foolish.
NATO(US) provoked this conflict, largely funded by a mix of Federal Agencies, including USAID, CIA, State Department, FDA, CDC. The graft, fraud and corruption is endemic to the modern Federal government and Ukraine is like a new sandbox.
Another fine mess this bunch of inept placeholders has gotten us into.

Wrong. Thanks for constantly providing the Russian propaganda so it can be ignored.

 

[iuwclurker]

It's unfortunate that a populist position regarding the NATO(US) catastrophic adventure in Ukraine engenders a response of such poor quality.
To think that understanding the dynamic involved in my experience, would codify my response to the disaster in Ukraine is foolish.
NATO(US) provoked this conflict, largely funded by a mix of Federal Agencies, including USAID, CIA, State Department, FDA, CDC. The graft, fraud and corruption is endemic to the modern Federal government and Ukraine is like a new sandbox.
Another fine mess this bunch of inept placeholders has gotten us into.

Putin is just plain dumb. He’s so dumb he got provoked, as you’re saying, into sending thousands of his soldiers to their death. All he had to do was stick to bare chested horseback riding and none of this would have happened. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

 

[GooglyMooglyWooglyBoogly]

Putin is just plain dumb. He’s so dumb he got provoked, as you’re saying, into sending thousands of his soldiers to their death. All he had to do was stick to bare chested horseback riding and none of this would have happened. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Russia has always been a proud and geographically hawkish country.

Shame on us for thinking they would accept an antagonistic military alliances on their border any more than we would.

We are headed for a bi-polar world if we aren’t there already.

Unless we are willing to go to kinetic war with China, Russia and her allies (which would be suicidal) we will have to learn to render unto Caesar’s what is Caesar’s and make the best of it.

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

Has it been more than 24 hours yet?

https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/trumps-ukraine-peace-strategy-put-to-test-after-putin-balks-at-cease-fire-00c8460b?mod=mhp

Putin needs a Pro Russian govt in place in Keiv. That's the one and only goal. This has never been about slivers of land. Trump is lost and absorbed with very short term thinking, and is playing to a domestic audience.

What blows my mind is this: didn't he think if he played his cards right, he could have had a pro-Russian gov't with Zelenskyy? I know he campaigned as pro-Europe, but he was decidedly less pro-Europe than his runoff opponent, right? He was very critical of anti-Russian discrimination by the Ukrainian government. I feel like Putin had a diplomatic solution to his problem before the war even started, and it simply didn't occur to him.

 

[ribbont]

Your links are from 2017 and 2019 (6-8 years ago). I might consider if Trump has made his current policy known.

Well, the links refute Trump has been a "RUSSIAN PUPPET!!!" Maybe Obama was the real puppet?

As for now, why would he reveal his negotiating tactics to the world? The only thing we know Trump gave Russia so far is a public pronouncement that Ukraine will not be in NATO, something the Biden admin didn't understand and actually encourage of Ukraine.

 

[ribbont]

???
Some fantasy world you live in

When I clicked your link on my phone, it took me to the chart and showed the annual data. The screen is too small to see the details. Now that I am on a PC, I can see the details, and it is exactly as I stated. Nov 4th, it was at 39.15. Jan 22, 52.27, and Jan 31, 2022, it was 88.20 and peaked at 123 after the invasion.

So from Biden's election (and months of campaigning to end oil) to his inauguration, oil spiked 33%. About a year late, it jumped again 69%. One could say those increases were due to the economy coming back online. Maybe part of it. But economic data from Q420 showed the economy was coming back. Only an incompetent fool would put a damper on the recovery by limiting oil supply with regulations. Biden could have waited a year or 2 before adding those regulations to allow us to recover from the pandemic. But bowing to the climate zealots was more important.

Edit: Shout-out to @outside shooter for the link to prove my point. Much appreciated.

Again, thank you for the link showing how Biden rhetoric and policies affected oil prices in the year prior to Russia invading Ukraine. I'm sure Putin enjoyed the increased revenue.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-oil-gas-revenue-windfall-2022-01-21/

 

[Spartans9312]

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

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Putin's counter should be a non-starter.

 

[Bub_rub]

Russia has always been a proud and geographically hawkish country.

Shame on us for thinking they would accept an antagonistic military alliances on their border any more than we would.

We are headed for a bi-polar world if we aren’t there already.

Unless we are willing to go to kinetic war with China, Russia and her allies (which would be suicidal) we will have to learn to render unto Caesar’s what is Caesar’s and make the best of it.

Ya, God forbid a nation on Russia’s border should have the right to choose their own path, like the Baltic countries have been doing for 30 years.

Now populists want the world to accept that democracy depends on how far you are away from one-party superpowers? And Liberal Democracies just need to accept it? Where was this talk during his first term?

 

[Spartans9312]

Putin's counter should be a non-starter.

 

[iuwclurker]

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Zelenskyy surely doesn’t act like he’s desperate for a cease-fire.

 

[DANC]

What’s to be done? I wanted DeSantis, Mcm wanted DeSantis, we all wanted DeSantis.

It didn’t happen. Trump is a force of nature, greatest political figure of our era.

Btw if Trump being a “buddy” of Putin keeps him from invading countries, maybe more President’s should be his “buddy”.

I don't think Putin's 'buddy' would do something like this. It's receiveved virtually no media coverage.

 

[DANC]

Was it? In the movie Patton says, "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making some other poor dumb bastard die for his country." However, did he ever really say that? He probably said some version of that, as did many in the decades before and since, including DIs and other military leaders.

Quote Origin: No Bastard Ever Won a War by Dying for His Country – Quote Investigator®

quoteinvestigator.com

I don't care who said it first. I have no idea what difference it makes anyway. It's an attitude that is different than the Russian "It's heroic to die for the Motherland (or Fatherland for Nazi Germany)".

I don't know why Mas would even care.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

I don't care who said it first. I have no idea what difference it makes anyway. It's an attitude that is different than the Russian "It's heroic to die for the Motherland (or Fatherland for Nazi Germany)".

I don't know why Mas would even care.

I have no doubt that your DI said it. I've heard it and said it myself too. I always thought it started with the movie, so I looked it up and found out versions of it have been said even before Patton or the character of Patton in the movie by many, which actually wasn't all that surprising to me.

Mas is on the other side of this, and he simply wanted a gotcha IMO.

 

[iuwclurker]

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Theater of the absurd.

Ukraine was attacked. As punishment for fighting back Ukraine no longer gets to have an army or any weapons.

 

[DANC]

Like the Blood Moon eclipse last night... Other planets are aligning. I've become one with @DANC

Only took like a decade. Cheers Dan. 😂

I'm glad you finally came to your senses.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Ya, God forbid a nation on Russia’s border should have the right to choose their own path, the Baltic countries have been doing for 30 years.

Now populists want the world to accept that democracy depends on how far you are away from one-party superpowers? And Liberal Democracies just need to accept it? Where was this talk during

When Mexico's jewish, communist raised President decides to 'choose their own path';

And aligns with the 'Brics' , and allows their
new partners to build Level 4 Biolabs in proximity to US Borders, to openly bribe media and influencers(most of them already purchased, they have a price), donate $Billions to elected officials, train,arm, equip and provision a large standing army, work to overthrow legitimate elections,
underwrite secession issues...relentlessly propagandize North and Central America

You would be okay with this?

You wouldn't react?

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

When Mexico's jewish, communist raised President decides to 'choose their own path';

And aligns with the 'Brics' , and allows their
new partners to build Level 4 Biolabs in proximity to US Borders, to openly bribe media and influencers(most of them already purchased, they have a price), donate $Billions to elected officials, train,arm, equip and provision a large standing army, work to overthrow legitimate elections,
underwrite secession issues...relentlessly propagandize North and Central America

You would be okay with this?

You wouldn't react?

Say what?

 

[iuwclurker]

Say what?

Maybe he caught something from igotwinners.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Say what?

He is just quoting official Russian propaganda about fictitious biolabs. Yet he bristles about being called a Russian asset. I don't know what else to call someone who takes everything the FSB says as gospel.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

He is just quoting official Russian propaganda about fictitious biolabs. Yet he bristles about being called a Russian asset. I don't know what else to call someone who takes everything the FSB says as gospel.

There is absolutely no doubt he gets tons of his misinformation direct from Russian influenced sites. He won't link them because it would be clear. It's very sad to see an Amercian become a useful idiot for a potential adversary.

 

[DANC]

When Mexico's jewish, communist raised President decides to 'choose their own path';

And aligns with the 'Brics' , and allows their
new partners to build Level 4 Biolabs in proximity to US Borders, to openly bribe media and influencers(most of them already purchased, they have a price), donate $Billions to elected officials, train,arm, equip and provision a large standing army, work to overthrow legitimate elections,
underwrite secession issues...relentlessly propagandize North and Central America

You would be okay with this?

You wouldn't react?

Mexico is already poisoning our population at an alarming rate and has virtually invaded the US with illegals.

Yet, we still haven't invaded them.

 

[ribbont]

Mexico is already poisoning our population at an alarming rate and has virtually invaded the US with illegals.

Yet, we still haven't invaded them.

But we might go after the cartels. Could be a tough fight since they have some of our weapons.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

There is absolutely no doubt he gets tons of his misinformation direct from Russian influenced sites. He won't link them because it would be clear. It's very sad to see an Amercian become a useful idiot for a potential adversary.

I get that what he saw in Vietnam causes him to hate America. We should never have been there. At the same point the weapons used against him and his men were likely supplied by what is now Russia. It seems strange they get a free pass.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

build Level 4 Biolabs in proximity to US Borders

Everything else that you typed, I simply don't understand, BUT.
The above part; we instantly create a completely circumferential super hot atmospheric condition around the place, while a few seconds later, super heating the center part with overlying circles of super heat. All of this designed so that nothing can live to escape the center, NOTHING.

That should be an easy to understand mental picture.

 

[ribbont]

He is just quoting official Russian propaganda about fictitious biolabs. Yet he bristles about being called a Russian asset. I don't know what else to call someone who takes everything the FSB says as gospel.

Normally I would believe you but considering our history with MK Ultra, Gulf of Tonkin, and more recently COVID, I am not sure what to believe. I do believe Ukraine and Z have oppressed the UOC and he us not the great president many think he is.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Normally I would believe you but considering our history with MK Ultra, Gulf of Tonkin, and more recently COVID, I am not sure what to believe. I do believe Ukraine and Z have oppressed the UOC and he us not the great president many think he is.

You think we are the only nation that lies?

 

[ribbont]

You think we are the only nation that lies?

Oh hell no. But you say Russian propaganda and I wonder, how do you know? I watched a propaganda machine for 3 years tell me Trump is Russian puppet, a puppet that gave Ukraine javelin missles and stopped the Nord 2.

 

[outside shooter]

Thank you for the link

You jump on random market volatility and covid/post-covid effects to try to prove a misguided point, and fail miserably.