Trump is a Putin puppet. Pointing it out does nothing with the negotiations
Trump Zelensky today.....
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Because it is happening in Ukraine at the present and that is pertinent to the situation.
Are you an American? I don't care about Democrats or Republicans. These methods are logical to you:
Talks about restarting direct flights, ceasing sanctions, and expanding economic relations with Russia before the Ukraine-Russia talks even begin?
The Ukraine parliament including opposition parties have approved this. Why is it our business? Why should we meddle in other countries politics?
I'm not expert, either, but as long as Ukraine is occupying a big part of Kursk, Russia proper, I don't think they're in that dire a situation.
Easy. Ego Man’s negotiating with (or cowtowing to) Putin. The Dems are “negotiating” with the American public for votes. The Dems have no other source of power currently.
There's never been a time in our lifetimes that we've had an alliance with either China or Russia against the other.
No, because it is common occurrence but Trump is trying to pretend it's something nefarious so his sheep turn on Zelenskyy.
The problem is people are saying this is something Z is doing to consolidate his own power, and that's just a lie. The law cancelling the election during martial law was written before the war and the implementation of martial law has to be approved by parliament, and has been 14 times.
For some reason, some political actors in this nation are interested in telling a false narrative about Z that makes him the bad guy. We should really be concerned with why that is.
For sure i understand Z wanting the dems to win and his gravy train continuing. I do think it is wrong for Trump to possibly allow his emotions get in the way. If he truly is. If this can get resolved soon I think Europe will get over it in hurry. Lets face it Europe needs us as much or more than we need them militarily or economically.
Yeah, that’s not what I said. You’re moving the goalposts.
Suffice to say your original comment was incorrect.
So i don't know about the so called sheep. I have been a supporter of Z and Ukraine. However when he says he does not want a ceasefire I have to question it.
Why would anyone want a ceasefire if the other party can break it at will without consequence? Is that even a ceasefire? Saying we will take Russia at their word is sufficient?
Would you want a cease fire with your neighbor if every time you have made one in the past he has broken it?
(Thinking cap not required…)
No I’m merely pointing out that in the late 60’s when China and Russia were fighting an undeclared border war and we had to threaten Russia away from pre-emptively nuking China, it’s safe to say their relations with each other were terrible. When Nixon did rapprochement in the 70’s, again their relationship was not good.
To act as if China/ Russia relations have always been good and will always be good because they have a common enemy in the U.S. had no basis in fact or history.
But do we know that Trump is "cowtowing" to Putin? We have no idea what terms he and Putin have agreed upon or even if there are any terms.
What 'capitulation ' are you talking about?
Direct flights? Is the US government in the air travel business now? Wouldn't the US carriers make this decision? What economic sanctions? Russia has already stated publicly that US business seeking to return to Russia would be subject to significant fines for their actions in withdrawing from the Russian market. Russia is currently selling more petroleum products than ever before, including to the US and the West, settled in Rubles, not the US dollar.
Europe, like the US, is on the brink of financial collapse. Throwing away our treasure to secure a failed concept must end.
The prize here is Russia, not Ukraine.
So, you have no solution, no ideas. Just keep the Biden staus quo of let the killing go on. Got it.
So alternative is we just continue to send money to continue to let the dying continue. Like I said previously how long before Putin goes crazy and starts using nukes? Then who benefits? NOBODY, How about we give peace a chance? There is nothing that says we can not restart our support if Putin reneges.
Putin is not American and doesn’t have an American mindset. He’s strategic. He doesn’t seek the immediate gratification of a short-term deal. He has long-term goals. He grabs a chunk of land, then consolidates and prepares for the next one some years later. This is what Ukraine and the Europeans are cognizant of, wary of, and trying to prevent.
Right no i do believe he is looking for a way out of this war. It is starting to look like their Afghanistan all over again. Except Putin is also crazy and if we don't find away to end it he is capable of unleashing nukes. I definitely hope I am wrong about that, if we can't end this thing.
No. I'm working and was just reading replies back to me at lunch. I will later.
I don't think Putin is crazy, exactly. He's mad, in that he thinks Russia is rightfully an empire. But he's not crazy enough to used nukes and have them used against him.
I think he would be taken out by his own people if he tried that.
A chihuahua that now occupies parts of Russia itself.
Putin had grand plans at the beginning, has managed to capture a solid path to the sea at the cost of some million casualties supposedly, has a nation suffering serious war weariness so yes, he’d love the gift of a status quo peace treaty so he can take some years to rebuild, rinse and repeat. Putin’s ultimate goal is to reestablish hegemony over the iron curtain countries. Nothing short will fulfill his dreams for his legacy.
Ego Man’s only dream in this is any sort of peace that results in a Nobel prize.
And every Russian troop in the field knows what the Ukrops did to the civilians in the small, unguarded salient in Kursk.
So just give Putin what he wants because he might use nukes?
He's not going to use them because we have the threat of nukes as well.
Are you for negotiating with terrorists as well?
NATO's description of NATO-Ukraine relations is a good source:
Putin is far, far from crazy. He is fully aware of the situations in the EU and especially the UK, socially, economically, and militarily.
All of Europe couldn't field two combat capable divisions. Poland , I believe, has the largest army in eastern Europe, but is way more interested in dividing up what remains of Ukraine than getting it's infrastructure decimated by fckjng with Russia. Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal .....please...they want no part of it..
NATO came to our defense after 9/11 attacks. What did your Russia do?
NATO is a defensive alliance, not an offensive one. Russia illegally invaded Ukraine. However, you support Russia and shit on Ukraine and NATO. There's nothing patriotic about that. Not one thing.
By the way, the stuff about Zelensky being gay, stolen $100 billion of US military aid, etc. is all false and comes straight from your Russian misinformation sources. Every time you post additional Russian misinformation further proves you're either a useful idiot for Putin, or you're paid. Either way, it's not good.
Beyond dumb. Putin has more leverage than Zelensky. You have zero clue on the Putin Trump relationship, what Putin wants, what Trump will give him, nothing.
Why don’t we let this all play out and see what the outcome is. TDS is so prevalent here and so dumb.
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