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Trump Zelensky today.....

100% agree.

Also want to link this just because it makes me happy.

This came out on Sanders:

"The worst formal interview I've ever been in in my life,” a longtime assistant coach said. “He's so entitled. He takes unnecessary sacks. He never plays on time. He has horrible body language. He blames teammates. ... But the biggest thing is, he's not that good."
 
This came out on Sanders:

"The worst formal interview I've ever been in in my life,” a longtime assistant coach said. “He's so entitled. He takes unnecessary sacks. He never plays on time. He has horrible body language. He blames teammates. ... But the biggest thing is, he's not that good."

Yeah, I've never understood the hype.

Pittsburgh needs a qb and passed, twice. I believe Cleveland needs one, and they passed three times.

If his dad wasn't Prime, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
 
A suicide.



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Is she the one who accused Trump??
 
Sorry--missed your note last night--I was riveted to the NFL draft enjoying the Sanders draft stock drop now into the 4th round.

After the dissolution of the Soviet Union, Europe and the United States made several mistakes: (1) The Russian invasion of Chechnya (after its agreed upon independence). This was the admitted false flag operation where Putin's operatives bombed an apartment in Russia to justify an invasion; (2) Invasion of Georgia; (3) 2003-2013 russian murder attempts of non-russian puppets in the Ukraine; and (4) Russian Crimea invasion in 2014. They were mistakes because the United States and Europe did nothing.

The security agreement that the UK, Russia and the US signed (maybe France was on there too--don't recall), in exchange or the Ukraine giving up its nukes was and is a useless agreement. A side note--any country that gives up nukes or stops developing nukes, would be hard pressed to give up those weapons.

Today, the Ukraine has reclaimed a sizeable amount of the land that the Russian's captured at the start of the war. That is not unimpressive. Russia's advance has been stalled for the most part, relying exclusively on long range missiles and drones. 3 on, the Russians aren't where they wanted to be. That is the only leverage the Ukraine has at the moment under the current US administration. Europe's continued contributions to the war effort have increased, but most of their military equipment isn't as good as our to be decomissioned weapon systems/tanks/armored vehicles that constitute 75% of what we have provided to the Ukraine. I would point out that US Military was spot on when they told the Ukranians that planes weren't going to make a difference because of all the anti-aircraft systems the russians moved in. And for similarly reasons, that is why you aren't seeing Russian planes either.

If I was the current president in this situation, and the only goal was to stop the war I would do the following:

1. stop tweeting about it;
2. stop publically taking sides;
3. have serious conversations with congress in a private setting to encourage them not to buy into the russian disinformation and just be quiet for a period of time.

Russia looks at us now as if we are backing the Putin regime, and we know this because they talk about it on Russian TV, etc, We also know this because of goofy comments from president about going into business with Russia, developing land with Russia, blah blah.

4. Go to Europe--the war isn't going to end unless Europe is involved. Put together a joint plan where you convey to the russians that Europe and US will permit some of the following for Russia: (1) some land; (2) Crimea; (3) reduced sanctions will occur over a period of time to ensure compliance. Russia agrees to relinquish any claim to X billion of dollars held by Europe and US for the rebuild of the Ukraine; establishment of 5-10 mile wide DMZ. If that isn't agreeable to the Russians, you then convey that the West will up its arms contributions to the Ukraine, and the US says "we won't object if Europe puts troops on the ground". Russia isn't going to use nukes and they cannot sustain or fight a multi-front war.

Simultaneously, you need to approach China--layout the plan and get them to not object. They might publically object, but China wants cash more than anything else.

Would Russia take such an approach seriously? I think they would, but much might be conditioned on (1) through (3) above. We already see Poland and the other former eastern bloc countries rev up their training and spending. If Putin rejects and thinks it is a bluff--then short of complete capitulation by the Ukraine, there might not be much anyone can do to stop the war.

It is 6:30 a.m, so not sure how much sense this makes when I'm only a half a cup of coffee into my day
Totally agree with turning down the volume and working behind the scenes. Putin and Zelensky both probably feel backed into a corner and don't have much wiggle room with their people.
 
He's blaming everyone else when he said he would end the war day 1.

Hilarious.
The other day he posted “Vladimir STOP!” after Putin bombed Kyiv. That night, Putin bombed Kyiv again.

Two months ago, he issued a “last warning” to Hamas and promised that all the Hamas scumbags would be quickly annihilated if they “don’t do as I say” (i.e. immediately release all the hostages). Dozens of hostages remain in captivity.

The world is learning what most of us already know - - that’s he’s full of bluster and bullshit.
 
I think a lot of your criticisms on this topic should be directed at Obama and the Western leaders in 2014, too.


In 2014, after Russia had already annexed Crimea, shot down MH17, and sent Russian troops and security services into combat in Ukraine’s Donbas, Obama staunchly opposed sending arms to Ukraine. He responded to the Russian invasion of Crimea with only minor sanctions targeting Russian individuals, state banks, and a handful of companies. He rejected a leading U.S. role in diplomatic efforts to end Russia’s war, delegating responsibility to France and Germany. While it makes logical sense to expect European countries to take charge of security on their continent, these countries lack the United States’ geopolitical heft, and Putin has never accepted them as peers of or negotiating partners for Russia. What’s more, these two European countries were heavily dependent on trade with Russia and showed little interest in the security of Eastern European countries. Most damaging was Obama’s clear statement that Ukraine was not a U.S. strategic priority.

Speaking with the Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg after Russia’s annexation of Crimea and aggression in the Donbas, Obama emphasized the limits of his commitment to Ukraine. As Goldberg wrote: “Obama’s theory here is simple: Ukraine is a core Russian interest but not an American one, so Russia will always be able to maintain escalatory dominance there.” Goldberg then cited Obama as saying, “The fact is that Ukraine, which is a non-NATO country, is going to be vulnerable to military domination by Russia no matter what we do.” In other words, a U.S. president all but acknowledged Ukraine as a Russian client state, telegraphing to the leader of an aggressive, revisionist power that the United States would stand down if Russia were to widen its war. Moreover, the doctrine of Russian escalation dominance—that the Kremlin would always be willing to exercise superior power to get its way in Ukraine, whereas the United States would not—became the governing principle of U.S. policy. This principle echoes to this day, holding back U.S. support for Ukraine.

Can an argument be made that Obama was pretty much right?

No foreign nation has sent their own troops there - or seems eager to do so, even considering where things stand.

Europe obviously fears further Russian aggression and expansion, and understandably so. But as much as they huffed and puffed about having to take the lead following Trump’s insouciance, have they?

I gather that American concerns in Asia pretty far outweigh what’s happening in Europe. Maybe they shouldn’t - but they do.
 
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So, do either of you have a solution? Or just keep doing the same thing for another 3, 7, 10 yrs? Because the only plan I saw from Biden and the Dems was to just keep sending money to Ukraine for a war they cannot win. What happens when there are no more Ukrainian fighters?
Arm the Ukes with everything short of nukes...and let them use all of it on the mother facking invaders.
 
That doesn address what you said or what I said. The point is z won’t negotiate. He must. Or the Ukrainians need to shit can him and save what is left of their country.
Pretty much correct.
The 'war' is lost.
NATO has no options.
The German and US tanks didn't stop Russia.
The F-16s didn't stop Russia.
HIMARS didn't stop Russia.
Patriot systems didn't stop Russia.
US 'mercenaries ' didn't stop Russia.

Obama warned anyone who would listen publicly against the folly of fighting in Ukraine, yet the unelected warpigs, USAID,the State Department, VOA , CIA , and of course the military-industrial-surveillance complex lobbyists were all in. Obama was ignored.

And here we are.
 
Pretty much correct.
The 'war' is lost.
NATO has no options.
The German and US tanks didn't stop Russia.
The F-16s didn't stop Russia.
HIMARS didn't stop Russia.
Patriot systems didn't stop Russia.
US 'mercenaries ' didn't stop Russia.

Obama warned anyone who would listen publicly against the folly of fighting in Ukraine, yet the unelected warpigs, USAID,the State Department, VOA , CIA , and of course the military-industrial-surveillance complex lobbyists were all in. Obama was ignored.

And here we are.
Ukraine has beaten the shit out of the Russians with our equipment. They haven't won the war, but Russia has lost far more personnel and equipment than the Russians because their equipment sucks and their military training sucks too.
 
Pretty much correct.
The 'war' is lost.
NATO has no options.
The German and US tanks didn't stop Russia.
The F-16s didn't stop Russia.
HIMARS didn't stop Russia.
Patriot systems didn't stop Russia.
US 'mercenaries ' didn't stop Russia.

Obama warned anyone who would listen publicly against the folly of fighting in Ukraine, yet the unelected warpigs, USAID,the State Department, VOA , CIA , and of course the military-industrial-surveillance complex lobbyists were all in. Obama was ignored.

And here we are.
You sound just like Squealer from Animal Farm.
 
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Can an argument be made that Obama was pretty much right?

No foreign nation has sent their own troops there - or seems eager to do so, even considering where things stand.

Europe obviously fears further Russian aggression and expansion, and understandably so. But as much as they huffed and puffed about having to take the lead following Trump’s insouciance, have they?

I gather that American concerns in Asia pretty far outweigh what’s happening in Europe. Maybe they shouldn’t - but they do.
If you admit Obama was right, it becomes more difficult to criticize Trump and unfortunately, that's the focus of most thought on this issue--either defending or attacking the man.

But everyone thought then that Russia would or could roll over Ukraine. Our intelligence about their military capabilities was clearly woefully misinformed. Now, we know that is not the case so I think it's fair to say it's a different situation, at least on that front.
 
Do you follow ANYONE a who is sane? Seriously anyone? Roger Stone, Catturd, Laura Loomer, Dan Dakich, Jack P…..a whole bunch of loons.
You'd be shocked to learn how many stories she has broken. Sometimes she gets stuff wrong yes. But she's right a lot. And other outlets are reporting the same.
 
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If you admit Obama was right, it becomes more difficult to criticize Trump and unfortunately, that's the focus of most thought on this issue--either defending or attacking the man.

But everyone thought then that Russia would or could roll over Ukraine. Our intelligence about their military capabilities was clearly woefully misinformed. Now, we know that is not the case so I think it's fair to say it's a different situation, at least on that front.

Unfortunately, so much of our thought on a lot of issues comes down to the personalities pushing/opposing them, rather than the merits. And it’s never in my lifetime been more the case than it is now - because Donald Trump engenders such strong feelings on both sides.

It really wasn’t that long ago that tariffs and other forms of protectionism were curse words in Republican circles. Nowadays, gobs of Republicans think they’re the hallmark of strong and sound macroeconomic governance…because (and only because) Donald Trump had said so.

It’s really frustrating and is going to lead to a lot of bad outcomes.
 
Unfortunately, so much of our thought on a lot of issues comes down to the personalities pushing/opposing them, rather than the merits. And it’s never in my lifetime been more the case than it is now - because Donald Trump engenders such strong feelings on both sides.

It really wasn’t that long ago that tariffs and other forms of protectionism were curse words in Republican circles. Nowadays, gobs of Republicans think they’re the hallmark of strong and sound macroeconomic governance…because (and only because) Donald Trump had said so.

It’s really frustrating and is going to lead to a lot of bad outcomes.
The Republican Party has changed a ton. Many people who were previously Democrats are now Trump voters. See his record votes with minorities.

And no, we don't agree with Trump on everything. His vaccine was incredibly stupid. His $5k proposal to have more kids seems dumb too. But he's right most of the time and the Dems are completely insane.
 
The Republican Party has changed a ton.
On that, we definitely agree. On whether it’s a change for the better, I’m sure that we don’t.

But I will say that I think the old guard GOP brought this all upon themselves. They were a lot better at talking than they were at doing. And I think they got to a very different place on immigration than most of their voters - Trump noticed and capitalized on it.
 
The Republican Party has changed a ton. Many people who were previously Democrats are now Trump voters. See his record votes with minorities.

And no, we don't agree with Trump on everything. His vaccine was incredibly stupid. His $5k proposal to have more kids seems dumb too. But he's right most of the time and the Dems are completely insane.
Were you a moonbat Democrat? That would explain much.
 
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