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Trump Tariffs

Unsurprising. There is no national emergency that authorized the President, any President, to implement these tariffs.
The President decides if there is an emergency. Not some Marxist judge.

The authority to impose tariffs is primarily granted to Congress under Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution, which gives Congress the power to "lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises" and to "regulate Commerce with foreign Nations." However, over time, Congress has delegated significant tariff-related powers to the President through various laws, particularly for use in specific circumstances, including emergencies. Below, I address your question about who determines if there is an actual emergency in the context of tariff powers granted to the President, incorporating relevant information from the provided sources.
Laws Granting Presidential Tariff Powers
Several statutes delegate tariff authority to the President, often tied to specific conditions, including national emergencies:
International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA, 1977):
Authority: IEEPA allows the President to regulate international economic transactions in response to an "unusual and extraordinary threat" to national security, foreign policy, or the economy, provided a national emergency is declared.
Emergency Determination: The President has broad discretion to declare a national emergency under IEEPA. The law does not explicitly mention tariffs, but recent actions by President Trump (as of 2025) have used IEEPA to impose tariffs, citing emergencies like trade deficits, illegal immigration, and fentanyl trafficking.
Who Determines the Emergency?: The President unilaterally declares the emergency, with minimal procedural hurdles. The National Emergencies Act (NEA) requires the President to consult Congress and submit periodic reports, but it does not require congressional approval for the declaration itself. Courts are generally deferential to the President’s determination, often treating it as a "political question" unless the action is manifestly unauthorized.
National Emergencies Act (NEA, 1976):
Authority: The NEA provides a framework for declaring national emergencies, unlocking various statutory powers, including those under IEEPA. It allows the President to access over 150 statutory powers during an emergency.
Emergency Determination: The President has the sole authority to declare a national emergency, specifying the powers to be exercised. Congress can terminate the declaration with a veto-proof supermajority, but this is rare due to political challenges.
Who Determines the Emergency?: The President declares the emergency, with no initial requirement for congressional or judicial approval. However, legal challenges can arise if the declaration is deemed an overreach, though courts rarely intervene.
Trade Expansion Act of 1962 (Section 232):
Authority: Section 232 allows the President to impose tariffs or quotas on imports deemed a threat to national security, following an investigation by the Department of Commerce.
Emergency Determination: While not explicitly requiring a "national emergency," the President determines whether a national security threat exists based on the Commerce Department’s findings. The definition of "national security" is broad, encompassing economic impacts on critical industries.
Who Determines the Emergency?: The President, informed by the Commerce Department’s investigation, makes the final determination. Congress has no direct role, though proposed legislation seeks to require congressional approval for Section 232 tariffs.
Trade Act of 1974 (Section 301 and Section 122):
Authority: Section 301 allows the President, through the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR), to impose tariffs in response to unfair trade practices by foreign countries. Section 122 permits temporary tariffs to address significant balance-of-payments deficits or other international payments issues.
Emergency Determination: Section 122 explicitly mentions "fundamental international payments problems," which the President can interpret broadly. Section 301 does not require an emergency but involves USTR investigations.
Who Determines the Emergency?: For Section 122, the President determines the existence of a balance-of-payments emergency. For Section 301, the USTR’s findings guide the President’s decision, but no formal emergency declaration is needed.
Tariff Act of 1930 (Section 338):
Authority: Section 338 allows the President to impose tariffs up to 50% on countries found to discriminate against U.S. commerce, following a U.S. International Trade Commission (USITC) investigation.
Emergency Determination: No emergency declaration is required, but the President determines whether discrimination exists based on USITC findings.
Who Determines the Emergency?: The President, informed by the USITC, decides whether to act, with no explicit emergency requirement.
Who Determines the Emergency?
Across these laws, the President typically has significant discretion to determine whether an emergency or triggering condition exists:
IEEPA and NEA: The President unilaterally declares a national emergency, with Congress having limited ability to terminate it (requiring a veto-proof supermajority). Courts may review but are highly deferential, often citing the "political question" doctrine.
Section 232: The President relies on the Commerce Department’s investigation but makes the final call on whether a national security threat justifies tariffs.
Section 122 and Section 301: The President or USTR determines the conditions (e.g., balance-of-payments issues or unfair trade practices), with no formal emergency declaration needed.
Section 338: The President acts based on USITC findings of discrimination, without an emergency requirement.
Checks and Challenges
Congressional Oversight: Congress can attempt to limit or revoke presidential tariff powers through legislation, such as the proposed Trade Review Act of 2025 or the STABLE Trade Policy Act, which aim to require congressional approval for certain tariffs. However, these face political hurdles, especially with a Republican-controlled Congress in 2025.
Judicial Review: Legal challenges, like those filed by the New Civil Liberties Alliance, argue that using IEEPA for tariffs is unlawful, as tariffs are not explicitly authorized under the statute. However, courts often defer to the President on emergency declarations, making successful challenges difficult.
Practical Limits: Public and international backlash, as seen with tariffs on Canada, Mexico, and China, can pressure the President to pause or modify tariffs, as occurred in March 2025.
Recent Context (2025)
President Trump has used IEEPA and other statutes to impose significant tariffs, declaring emergencies related to trade deficits, fentanyl, and illegal immigration. For example:
A 10% baseline tariff on nearly all imports and higher rates (e.g., 125% on China) were justified under IEEPA, citing trade imbalances as a national emergency.
Tariffs on Canada and Mexico (25%) and China (10%) were imposed in February 2025, citing immigration and drug trafficking as emergencies.
These actions have sparked legal challenges and bipartisan calls for Congress to reclaim tariff authority, but the President’s broad discretion under current law remains a significant factor.
 
The President decides if there is an emergency. Not some Marxist judge.

The authority to impose tariffs is primarily granted to Congress under Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution, which gives Congress the power to "lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises" and to "regulate Commerce with foreign Nations." However, over time, Congress has delegated significant tariff-related powers to the President through various laws, particularly for use in specific circumstances, including emergencies. Below, I address your question about who determines if there is an actual emergency in the context of tariff powers granted to the President, incorporating relevant information from the provided sources.
Laws Granting Presidential Tariff Powers
Several statutes delegate tariff authority to the President, often tied to specific conditions, including national emergencies:
International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA, 1977):
Authority: IEEPA allows the President to regulate international economic transactions in response to an "unusual and extraordinary threat" to national security, foreign policy, or the economy, provided a national emergency is declared.
Emergency Determination: The President has broad discretion to declare a national emergency under IEEPA. The law does not explicitly mention tariffs, but recent actions by President Trump (as of 2025) have used IEEPA to impose tariffs, citing emergencies like trade deficits, illegal immigration, and fentanyl trafficking.
Who Determines the Emergency?: The President unilaterally declares the emergency, with minimal procedural hurdles. The National Emergencies Act (NEA) requires the President to consult Congress and submit periodic reports, but it does not require congressional approval for the declaration itself. Courts are generally deferential to the President’s determination, often treating it as a "political question" unless the action is manifestly unauthorized.
National Emergencies Act (NEA, 1976):
Authority: The NEA provides a framework for declaring national emergencies, unlocking various statutory powers, including those under IEEPA. It allows the President to access over 150 statutory powers during an emergency.
Emergency Determination: The President has the sole authority to declare a national emergency, specifying the powers to be exercised. Congress can terminate the declaration with a veto-proof supermajority, but this is rare due to political challenges.
Who Determines the Emergency?: The President declares the emergency, with no initial requirement for congressional or judicial approval. However, legal challenges can arise if the declaration is deemed an overreach, though courts rarely intervene.
Trade Expansion Act of 1962 (Section 232):
Authority: Section 232 allows the President to impose tariffs or quotas on imports deemed a threat to national security, following an investigation by the Department of Commerce.
Emergency Determination: While not explicitly requiring a "national emergency," the President determines whether a national security threat exists based on the Commerce Department’s findings. The definition of "national security" is broad, encompassing economic impacts on critical industries.
Who Determines the Emergency?: The President, informed by the Commerce Department’s investigation, makes the final determination. Congress has no direct role, though proposed legislation seeks to require congressional approval for Section 232 tariffs.
Trade Act of 1974 (Section 301 and Section 122):
Authority: Section 301 allows the President, through the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR), to impose tariffs in response to unfair trade practices by foreign countries. Section 122 permits temporary tariffs to address significant balance-of-payments deficits or other international payments issues.
Emergency Determination: Section 122 explicitly mentions "fundamental international payments problems," which the President can interpret broadly. Section 301 does not require an emergency but involves USTR investigations.
Who Determines the Emergency?: For Section 122, the President determines the existence of a balance-of-payments emergency. For Section 301, the USTR’s findings guide the President’s decision, but no formal emergency declaration is needed.
Tariff Act of 1930 (Section 338):
Authority: Section 338 allows the President to impose tariffs up to 50% on countries found to discriminate against U.S. commerce, following a U.S. International Trade Commission (USITC) investigation.
Emergency Determination: No emergency declaration is required, but the President determines whether discrimination exists based on USITC findings.
Who Determines the Emergency?: The President, informed by the USITC, decides whether to act, with no explicit emergency requirement.
Who Determines the Emergency?
Across these laws, the President typically has significant discretion to determine whether an emergency or triggering condition exists:
IEEPA and NEA: The President unilaterally declares a national emergency, with Congress having limited ability to terminate it (requiring a veto-proof supermajority). Courts may review but are highly deferential, often citing the "political question" doctrine.
Section 232: The President relies on the Commerce Department’s investigation but makes the final call on whether a national security threat justifies tariffs.
Section 122 and Section 301: The President or USTR determines the conditions (e.g., balance-of-payments issues or unfair trade practices), with no formal emergency declaration needed.
Section 338: The President acts based on USITC findings of discrimination, without an emergency requirement.
Checks and Challenges
Congressional Oversight: Congress can attempt to limit or revoke presidential tariff powers through legislation, such as the proposed Trade Review Act of 2025 or the STABLE Trade Policy Act, which aim to require congressional approval for certain tariffs. However, these face political hurdles, especially with a Republican-controlled Congress in 2025.
Judicial Review: Legal challenges, like those filed by the New Civil Liberties Alliance, argue that using IEEPA for tariffs is unlawful, as tariffs are not explicitly authorized under the statute. However, courts often defer to the President on emergency declarations, making successful challenges difficult.
Practical Limits: Public and international backlash, as seen with tariffs on Canada, Mexico, and China, can pressure the President to pause or modify tariffs, as occurred in March 2025.
Recent Context (2025)
President Trump has used IEEPA and other statutes to impose significant tariffs, declaring emergencies related to trade deficits, fentanyl, and illegal immigration. For example:
A 10% baseline tariff on nearly all imports and higher rates (e.g., 125% on China) were justified under IEEPA, citing trade imbalances as a national emergency.
Tariffs on Canada and Mexico (25%) and China (10%) were imposed in February 2025, citing immigration and drug trafficking as emergencies.
These actions have sparked legal challenges and bipartisan calls for Congress to reclaim tariff authority, but the President’s broad discretion under current law remains a significant factor.
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Conclusion
For tariffs authorized under emergency powers, particularly via IEEPA and the NEA, the President has near-unilateral authority to determine whether an emergency exists. Other statutes like Section 232, Section 301, and Section 338 involve agency investigations (Commerce, USTR, or USITC), but the President retains the final decision. Congressional and judicial checks exist but are limited by political and legal deference to executive authority. If you’re referring to a specific tariff action or law, let me know, and I can provide more tailored details!
 
Income not asset values. Salaries and hourly pay and shit. The most populist President in a lifetime.
Equities are extremely overpriced compared to long term averages. Stock market is at 2x GDP and homes are not affordable. Maybe it will continue to go up, but a 50% correction in the stock market would put it in the historical average range.
 
Equities are extremely overpriced compared to long term averages. Stock market is at 2x GDP and homes are not affordable. Maybe it will continue to go up, but a 50% correction in the stock market would put it in the historical average range.
Maybe. In the end assets are worth what people are willing to pay for them. You can dwell on P/R ratios being out of whack, but if people keep buying expensive stocks and homes it doesn’t necessarily indicate a bubble.
 
Income not asset values. Salaries and hourly pay and shit. The most populist President in a lifetime.
Googly, agree with you about Trump being what is called populist. Populism as described below as taken from this.

Populism doesn't inherently ignore the Constitution. Instead, it often involves a specific interpretation of the Constitution and its role in democratic society, sometimes prioritizing the "will of the people" over other constitutional principles like checks and balances. While some populist movements may challenge or even seek to reform constitutional structures, they often do so within the existing framework, rather than outright rejecting it.
 
Googly, agree with you about Trump being what is called populist. Populism as described below as taken from this.

Populism doesn't inherently ignore the Constitution. Instead, it often involves a specific interpretation of the Constitution and its role in democratic society, sometimes prioritizing the "will of the people" over other constitutional principles like checks and balances. While some populist movements may challenge or even seek to reform constitutional structures, they often do so within the existing framework, rather than outright rejecting it.
Populism is a derogatory term the media uses against people who go against their prevailing narrative, Hoot. Don't let them put you in a box. You're too old for that shit😁
 
Maybe. In the end assets are worth what people are willing to pay for them. You can dwell on P/R ratios being out of whack, but if people keep buying expensive stocks and homes it doesn’t necessarily indicate a bubble.
Perhaps it's different this time, but I don't want to be overweight U.S. equities right now.
 
Populism is a derogatory term the media uses against people who go against their prevailing narrative, Hoot. Don't let them put you in a box. You're too old for that shit😁
SC, agree about our political dialogue including lots of words which are twisted to fit a political narrative as can be used in both the main and social media.

By the way #1, hate to label myself conservative or liberal for fear I will end up in a box and remain completely closed minded.

By the way #2, am too old for lots of shit. Just glad I still try to do it anyway. Cannot decide if this is good or bad.
 
#teamandroid for the win!

So... Tell me Google AI, where do Android phones come from?

Answer: Android phones are manufactured in various locations worldwide, but primarily in Asia. Major manufacturing hubs include China, India, and Vietnam, where many brands like Samsung, LG, Motorola, and others have factories. South Korea, Taiwan, and Japan also play significant roles in smartphone manufacturing or assembly. While some Google Pixel phones have been made in China, the company has been moving production to other locations like Vietnam and India.

The Purism Liberty Phone is the only smartphone currently manufactured entirely in the United States. As far as I know, I have never heard of it or seen it, even once

Made in Asia too. Standby for very expensive cell phones.
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So many questions. Does it come in orange? Does it weigh 3 pounds and claim to weigh 8 ounces? Are search results limited to Newsmax and Faux? Does it have built-in Boebert theater porn?
 
The President decides if there is an emergency. Not some Marxist judge.

The authority to impose tariffs is primarily granted to Congress under Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution, which gives Congress the power to "lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises" and to "regulate Commerce with foreign Nations." However, over time, Congress has delegated significant tariff-related powers to the President through various laws, particularly for use in specific circumstances, including emergencies. Below, I address your question about who determines if there is an actual emergency in the context of tariff powers granted to the President, incorporating relevant information from the provided sources.
Laws Granting Presidential Tariff Powers
Several statutes delegate tariff authority to the President, often tied to specific conditions, including national emergencies:
International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA, 1977):
Authority: IEEPA allows the President to regulate international economic transactions in response to an "unusual and extraordinary threat" to national security, foreign policy, or the economy, provided a national emergency is declared.
Emergency Determination: The President has broad discretion to declare a national emergency under IEEPA. The law does not explicitly mention tariffs, but recent actions by President Trump (as of 2025) have used IEEPA to impose tariffs, citing emergencies like trade deficits, illegal immigration, and fentanyl trafficking.
Who Determines the Emergency?: The President unilaterally declares the emergency, with minimal procedural hurdles. The National Emergencies Act (NEA) requires the President to consult Congress and submit periodic reports, but it does not require congressional approval for the declaration itself. Courts are generally deferential to the President’s determination, often treating it as a "political question" unless the action is manifestly unauthorized.
National Emergencies Act (NEA, 1976):
Authority: The NEA provides a framework for declaring national emergencies, unlocking various statutory powers, including those under IEEPA. It allows the President to access over 150 statutory powers during an emergency.
Emergency Determination: The President has the sole authority to declare a national emergency, specifying the powers to be exercised. Congress can terminate the declaration with a veto-proof supermajority, but this is rare due to political challenges.
Who Determines the Emergency?: The President declares the emergency, with no initial requirement for congressional or judicial approval. However, legal challenges can arise if the declaration is deemed an overreach, though courts rarely intervene.
Trade Expansion Act of 1962 (Section 232):
Authority: Section 232 allows the President to impose tariffs or quotas on imports deemed a threat to national security, following an investigation by the Department of Commerce.
Emergency Determination: While not explicitly requiring a "national emergency," the President determines whether a national security threat exists based on the Commerce Department’s findings. The definition of "national security" is broad, encompassing economic impacts on critical industries.
Who Determines the Emergency?: The President, informed by the Commerce Department’s investigation, makes the final determination. Congress has no direct role, though proposed legislation seeks to require congressional approval for Section 232 tariffs.
Trade Act of 1974 (Section 301 and Section 122):
Authority: Section 301 allows the President, through the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR), to impose tariffs in response to unfair trade practices by foreign countries. Section 122 permits temporary tariffs to address significant balance-of-payments deficits or other international payments issues.
Emergency Determination: Section 122 explicitly mentions "fundamental international payments problems," which the President can interpret broadly. Section 301 does not require an emergency but involves USTR investigations.
Who Determines the Emergency?: For Section 122, the President determines the existence of a balance-of-payments emergency. For Section 301, the USTR’s findings guide the President’s decision, but no formal emergency declaration is needed.
Tariff Act of 1930 (Section 338):
Authority: Section 338 allows the President to impose tariffs up to 50% on countries found to discriminate against U.S. commerce, following a U.S. International Trade Commission (USITC) investigation.
Emergency Determination: No emergency declaration is required, but the President determines whether discrimination exists based on USITC findings.
Who Determines the Emergency?: The President, informed by the USITC, decides whether to act, with no explicit emergency requirement.
Who Determines the Emergency?
Across these laws, the President typically has significant discretion to determine whether an emergency or triggering condition exists:
IEEPA and NEA: The President unilaterally declares a national emergency, with Congress having limited ability to terminate it (requiring a veto-proof supermajority). Courts may review but are highly deferential, often citing the "political question" doctrine.
Section 232: The President relies on the Commerce Department’s investigation but makes the final call on whether a national security threat justifies tariffs.
Section 122 and Section 301: The President or USTR determines the conditions (e.g., balance-of-payments issues or unfair trade practices), with no formal emergency declaration needed.
Section 338: The President acts based on USITC findings of discrimination, without an emergency requirement.
Checks and Challenges
Congressional Oversight: Congress can attempt to limit or revoke presidential tariff powers through legislation, such as the proposed Trade Review Act of 2025 or the STABLE Trade Policy Act, which aim to require congressional approval for certain tariffs. However, these face political hurdles, especially with a Republican-controlled Congress in 2025.
Judicial Review: Legal challenges, like those filed by the New Civil Liberties Alliance, argue that using IEEPA for tariffs is unlawful, as tariffs are not explicitly authorized under the statute. However, courts often defer to the President on emergency declarations, making successful challenges difficult.
Practical Limits: Public and international backlash, as seen with tariffs on Canada, Mexico, and China, can pressure the President to pause or modify tariffs, as occurred in March 2025.
Recent Context (2025)
President Trump has used IEEPA and other statutes to impose significant tariffs, declaring emergencies related to trade deficits, fentanyl, and illegal immigration. For example:
A 10% baseline tariff on nearly all imports and higher rates (e.g., 125% on China) were justified under IEEPA, citing trade imbalances as a national emergency.
Tariffs on Canada and Mexico (25%) and China (10%) were imposed in February 2025, citing immigration and drug trafficking as emergencies.
These actions have sparked legal challenges and bipartisan calls for Congress to reclaim tariff authority, but the President’s broad discretion under current law remains a significant factor.
president doesn't just get to make up emergencies as he sees fit.

Might as well just label him king and be done with it.
 
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Today moron Trump announced we reached a deal with the UK and added because so we have our first deal with the European Union. Do you think his advisors will explain Brexit to him?

The UK prime minister did a good job not to laugh.
 
Today moron Trump announced we reached a deal with the UK and added because so we have our first deal with the European Union. Do you think his advisors will explain Brexit to him?

The UK prime minister did a good job not to laugh.
I'm sure he did.

 
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