Especially, why would he say that when he also said he had mentally declassified all the records anyway?
Nonetheless, whether classified or declassified, the documents are still property of the U.S. government and he still shouldn't have them.
Trump indicted….again
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Nonetheless, whether classified or declassified, the documents are still property of the U.S. government and he still shouldn't have them.
Yes, seriously.
You said: "That's what people said to Sam Adams..... (not the beer maker)."
But, the Founding Father Sam Adams was a beer maker. That's why Boston Beer Co. chose the brand SAM ADAMS.
He was talking about the classified documents because he didn't think it would get out to the public.
I believe conservative media and posters on here (repeating it) say he could declassify stuff so Trump took that and ran with it hoping he could escape with that excuse. About the same time, he also went with the "i didn't know about the documents" excuse because he couldn't decide on which conflicting excuse he wanted to use.
This isn't true: "Why did they wait until 18 months after he left office to request it back?"
The govt formally requested Trump return documents after only like 2-3 months after Trump left office, after the Archives had a chance to check their lists and inventories to see what documents were missing.
But he read it on Twitter!
I was explaining why the dictator wannabe remains a threat to American democracy.
Yes, standing alone, they're not crimes. But they provide the basis for some/much of his extensive criminal activity.
Just an FYI - - obstruction of justice is a crime. So is election interference. So is racketeering.
We don't even know the half of it yet, but Jack Smith is not fvcking around. Neither is Fani Willis. Given Trump's history, it's not unreasonable to assume that the evidence is going to be devastating for him.
I think there are problems with the system, but some of it I get. We want people who accidentally take material to return it. They won't do that if they face 10 years. So there is always going to be a reward for those who cooperate over those that do not. And people who do the incredibly stupid, Sandy Berger I am looking at you, will get hit particularly hard.
But there is a huge disparity between what would happen to a military officer or State employee and a politician. That needs to be closed. Mishandling documents is serious and all should face similar music.
I don't know...there have been A LOT of people go down already that worked with Trump...many of them have publicly turned on him. He's still the leading candidate for the Republican nomination.
You wrote, "stop the 2-tier system of justice in this country."
Nice to see that you're following the official Republican talking-points memo this morning.
I didn't realize Republicans want to end the "two-tier system of justice" that has historically favored old, fat, rich white men and corporations over the interests of low income average Joes.
Trump's goose is cooked if he doesn't keep receiving the favorable treatment the legal system usually gives people like him.
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You make it sound as though this stuff is already proven.
If this is so well-established, why didn't Trump's administration prosecute both Bidens and Hillary when he had the chance? After all, Trump was President four whole years.
This one is much more dangerous than the Stormy Daniels situation. Trump is going to have to make some major decisions like is he going to be a husband or a wife when he goes to prison.
That is kind of questionable. His family was in the malt business. He worked for his family malt house which made the malt for beer, not really a brewhouse.
Close connection that is probably why the idea of him being a brewer sprung up, but still different.
Really good breakdown here, just based on what we know from court filings/media reporters. Prosecution may have more.
www.scribd.com
Also this quote from Trump from 2016
And the tape of Trump saying this put together is pretty much game, set, match for anyone with a functioning brain.
Just Security Model Prosecution Memo - Trump Classified Documents Second Edition June 2023 | PDF | Donald Trump | American Government
A team of former federal prosecutors, defense counsel, and other legal experts drafted a "model prosecution memo" for the potential case of United States vs. Donald Trump in the Special Counsel Jack Smith's classified documents investigation.
Also this quote from Trump from 2016
And the tape of Trump saying this put together is pretty much game, set, match for anyone with a functioning brain.
Maybe he will get lucky and some of his Jan 6ers will be in there with him to offer protection.
I would not call it questionable, but rather it is unclear if his involvement extended beyond malting. From the article linked below:
It’s unclear if Adams himself was a brewer, but colonial records reveal that he was at least a maltster and involved in the beer business. A 1751 advertisement in the Boston Evening Post read, “Strong beer, or malt for those who incline to brew it themselves; to be sold by Samuel Adams, at a very reasonable rate.”
How Samuel Adams Became Linked to Beer | HISTORY
Before patriot firebrand Samuel Adams successfully brewed revolution with the Sons of Liberty, he failed in the beer business.
www.history.com
If he keeps up the grift to raise enough Lil Debbies in there, he just may be able to keep himself prison-pure. Now make no mistake... he'll want to eat them all when the depression and tears set in as he learns from behind bars that he lost to Joe Biden again.
If half-way through his sentence, he's not smearing "witch hunt" and "I won" on the cell walls with his stink-hole finger paint, then he actually may do just fine in lock-up.
I can get with unclear, that was my intended meaning when using questionable.I would not call it questionable, but rather it is unclear if his involvement extended beyond malting. From the article linked below:
It’s unclear if Adams himself was a brewer, but colonial records reveal that he was at least a maltster and involved in the beer business. A 1751 advertisement in the Boston Evening Post read, “Strong beer, or malt for those who incline to brew it themselves; to be sold by Samuel Adams, at a very reasonable rate.”
How Samuel Adams Became Linked to Beer | HISTORY
Before patriot firebrand Samuel Adams successfully brewed revolution with the Sons of Liberty, he failed in the beer business.
This doesn't say anything about switching votes but it's along the lines that i mentioned.
Democrats Have Spent $20M Trying to Help Trump-Loving GOP Candidates Win
The Democratic Governors Association has spent millions promoting a pro-Trump gubernatorial candidate. But why?
www.newsweek.com
Biden better get his ass ready. Some Republican DA somewhere will prosecute him once he’s out of office now that this glass has been broken.
Take it away Jimmy!
Take it away Jimmy!
So you don't think Trump will get a fair trial? I agree.
They are fast-tracking this thing so that the trial will happen right in the middle of the general campaign.
So even you believe she's hopelessly biased?
Better tell your SC nominee Garland who appointed her.
Touche. I thought Sam Adams beer was just a marketing ploy.
Learn something new every day!
A sitting president arresting his political opponent….is not good
If we’re going to break from this precedent as a country, it damn well be for something more serious than Trump wanting his letter from Kim Jong Un as a keepsake.
lol Trump appointed her and she got many of her rulings overturned last time Trump had her as a judge when she tried to rule in his favor.
Might want to use google before thinking you made a point
.That’s fair. What’s the point in talking about what Biden should do? His intentions and priorities could not be more clear. He seemingly fumbled this on purpose. Take that America!
You forgot to add cliff notes for us lazy people
Interesting notes from the indictment:
1. Trump and his team were way more incompetent than could possibly have been imagined. The classified info that he wrongfully took to Mar-a-Lago sat in boxes on a stage in a ballroom for months while events were taking place in that ballroom. Like decorations.
2. Interestingly, Trump was not charged with disclosure of classified info, despite the indictment detailing two instances of him doing exactly that.
1. Trump and his team were way more incompetent than could possibly have been imagined. The classified info that he wrongfully took to Mar-a-Lago sat in boxes on a stage in a ballroom for months while events were taking place in that ballroom. Like decorations.
2. Interestingly, Trump was not charged with disclosure of classified info, despite the indictment detailing two instances of him doing exactly that.
