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top 4: 1) Beard. 2) Iowa State. 3) May. 4) Collins. what say u

While not my first pick, I do like Collins. I think he runs a good system and is probably hamstrung a bit being at NW. He's not my first choice but he would be successful with a full war chest and lower academic requirements. Just how successful is what makes me a little concerned. I do think his floor would be much higher than what we currently have.
 
no worries, I get it. Like I said, it's therapy for many. Seems to have opposite effect on me now. Bad mojo deja vu.

if season goes south, could be a real ugly power struggle coming. But a bloodletting will be needed, so remove the gloves and see who wins.
If the season goes south, I just don't see the power struggle many portend. I find it incredibly hard to believe the folks that ponied up millions to assemble this team are going to be OK with subpar results. Almost everyone said this was the best roster in the B10 and a top 10/20 team nationally. The folks who predicted worse results, were doing it almost exclusively because they didn't believe in this coaching staff. Being on the bubble is going to be underachieving in almost everyone's eyes. The school and AD are also going to be feeling the effects of the loss of interest and game attendance. If what others have said is true and QB's term is up this summer, who does everyone think is going to be arguing to keep CMW, aside from him?
 
If the season goes south, I just don't see the power struggle many portend. I find it incredibly hard to believe the folks that ponied up millions to assemble this team are going to be OK with subpar results. Almost everyone said this was the best roster in the B10 and a top 10/20 team nationally. The folks who predicted worse results, were doing it almost exclusively because they didn't believe in this coaching staff. Being on the bubble is going to be underachieving in almost everyone's eyes. The school and AD are also going to be feeling the effects of the loss of interest and game attendance. If what others have said is true and QB's term is up this summer, who does everyone think is going to be arguing to keep CMW, aside from him?
didn't know QB could be done in July. If team continues to underwhelm, you would hope CMW sees the writing on the wall.

Back in September...was really hoping we'd be having different discussions right now. At present moment, CMW does not appear to the right man for the job, and probably never was. The whole Fife/Matta training wheels arrangement thing was weird from day 1. I think TJD's skills propped up the team for 2 yrs and CMW's greatest accomplishment was convincing TJD to stay when he first got the job. If that didn't happen, I doubt CMW makes it through last season because without TJD, I don't think we ever see a NCAA tourney game in yrs 1-2.
 
didn't know QB could be done in July. If team continues to underwhelm, you would hope CMW sees the writing on the wall.

Back in September...was really hoping we'd be having different discussions right now. At present moment, CMW does not appear to the right man for the job, and probably never was. The whole Fife/Matta training wheels arrangement thing was weird from day 1. I think TJD's skills propped up the team for 2 yrs and CMW's greatest accomplishment was convincing TJD to stay when he first got the job. If that didn't happen, I doubt CMW makes it through last season because without TJD, I don't think we ever see a NCAA tourney game in yrs 1-2.
It was weird, but no weirder than hiring a coach with no college coaching experience. It made sense, IF CMW was the type who would have taken advantage of it and leaned on them. He doesn't appear to be a collaborator like that and seems very much an authoritarian who doesn't surround himself with folks who will challenge him; just yes men. Yep, 100% agree on TJD being his best ever recruiting win. Dolson should be pouring over candidates all year and just find a face-saving way for CMW to depart. I think he will if he gets paid, he can't be enjoying this.
 
Did a quick search and wanted to see if anyone had more details on the matter. Woody’s buyout is halved as of March 31, correct? So the amount owed goes from 8.4 to 4.2 million for his last two seasons? I wonder if that has any impact on the timing of the firing.
 
Did a quick search and wanted to see if anyone had more details on the matter. Woody’s buyout is halved as of March 31, correct? So the amount owed goes from 8.4 to 4.2 million for his last two seasons? I wonder if that has any impact on the timing of the firing.
If I remember correctly, his raise in ‘23 took away the buyout step down. We owe him his whole remaining contract paid out $1M per year. That’s gonna be about $8.4M like you said.
 
If I remember correctly, his raise in ‘23 took away the buyout step down. We owe him his whole remaining contract paid out $1M per year. That’s gonna be about $8.4M like you said.
This is my understanding as well...1 m per, for 8 years if he's fired at seasons end. Wouldn't be shocked to see it get negotiated down to 1 payment for something like 5 mil. Certainly not peanuts, but big scheme, not a hurdle even worth thinking about if a move is desired.
 
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If the season goes south, I just don't see the power struggle many portend. I find it incredibly hard to believe the folks that ponied up millions to assemble this team are going to be OK with subpar results. Almost everyone said this was the best roster in the B10 and a top 10/20 team nationally. The folks who predicted worse results, were doing it almost exclusively because they didn't believe in this coaching staff. Being on the bubble is going to be underachieving in almost everyone's eyes. The school and AD are also going to be feeling the effects of the loss of interest and game attendance. If what others have said is true and QB's term is up this summer, who does everyone think is going to be arguing to keep CMW, aside from him?
Do the various owners each own a piece of the team, or do they own certain players?

Is it so simple that boosters pay the team with the sole goal of winning, or do they invest in players, where the goal is more muddied (there could be conflicts of interest).

in other words, can we underperform as a team but a booster hit the jackpot on a player?
 
I don't need to lay out anything. I don't know the facts and neither do you. The point is that the facts don't matter here. This isn't a court of law. Only the narrative matters. And "a guy who beats women" would be the narrative. IU wouldn't want that.

Well that's not entirely true. You know that his girlfriend was trying to screw him over by calling the police and then when she realized how serious her calling the police was she tried to recant. The police didn't let her and away everybody went down the conveyor belt. That reflects very poorly on her. To the extent there was something there reflects poorly on Beard.

The narrative, though, isn't correct. But it would be a huge upset if it didn't affect things negatively in terms of IU's chances of hiring him (assuming, for this exercise that one or both parties were considering it).

I agree with you that the narrative will be what you said. It's also frustrating that an incorrect narrative and its consequences always prevails.
 
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Do the various owners each own a piece of the team, or do they own certain players?

Is it so simple that boosters pay the team with the sole goal of winning, or do they invest in players, where the goal is more muddied (there could be conflicts of interest).

in other words, can we underperform as a team but a booster hit the jackpot on a player?
NIL boosters don't get anything from the players beyond them playing for IU. I wouldn't really count that players may show up for a bball camp or corporate event a few times per year. There is no ownership stake.

Most boosters give their money to a NIL collective who facilitates paying the players. Much easier way to donate to NIL. Again, only thing boosters get are players playing for IU. And there is no guarantee the players will be good, especially with Woody spending your NIL.
 
I know that there WERE two car dealerships in Salem, giving/lending cars to players in return for them to show up on the car lot a couple times a year for autograph sessions. I'm sure those dealerships got to "choose" whom they wanted to sponsor. MR has brought at least one Ford back to the dealer in not-so-good-shape to exchange for another one. Got that first hand from a salesperson.
 
Well that's not entirely true. You know that his girlfriend was trying to screw him over by calling the police and then when she realized how serious her calling the police was she tried to recant. The police didn't let her and away everybody went down the conveyor belt. That reflects very poorly on her. To the extent there was something there reflects poorly on Beard.

The narrative, though, isn't correct. But it would be a huge upset if it didn't affect things negatively in terms of IU's chances of hiring him (assuming, for this exercise that one or both parties were considering it).

I agree with you that the narrative will be what you said. It's also frustrating that an incorrect narrative and its consequences always prevails.
Texas is not a state that exercises mandatory arrest for a domestic violence complaint. This means the responding officer(s) had probable cause to arrest Beard based on physical evidence or other witness statements regardless if the girlfriend "was trying to screw him over". The district attorney later dropped the case because of an uncooperating witness, but that doesn't mean a domestic violence didn't occur.
 
Do the various owners each own a piece of the team, or do they own certain players?

Is it so simple that boosters pay the team with the sole goal of winning, or do they invest in players, where the goal is more muddied (there could be conflicts of interest).

in other words, can we underperform as a team but a booster hit the jackpot on a player?
I'm not sure what you're saying or asking? Owners? My understanding of the purpose and way NIL is supposed to work is it's essentially like an advertising deal for the player. They get paid regardless, just like most endorsements get paid regardless of how well the product or service does. If the NIL foundation/provider agrees to pay a kid a million dollars, that's it. I do think they can tie it to an appearance or endorsement, so maybe if they did that and the player didn't complete it, they could sue them I suppose. But, I don't believe NIL is any sort of "investment" where the donor gets a payoff if the kid goes pro or something. Not that different than outside, where you could pay me to endorse your business or make an appearance. If you want to do that, I can provide my venmo.
 
I'm not sure what you're saying or asking? Owners? My understanding of the purpose and way NIL is supposed to work is it's essentially like an advertising deal for the player. They get paid regardless, just like most endorsements get paid regardless of how well the product or service does. If the NIL foundation/provider agrees to pay a kid a million dollars, that's it. I do think they can tie it to an appearance or endorsement, so maybe if they did that and the player didn't complete it, they could sue them I suppose. But, I don't believe NIL is any sort of "investment" where the donor gets a payoff if the kid goes pro or something. Not that different than outside, where you could pay me to endorse your business or make an appearance. If you want to do that, I can provide my venmo.
My question was in regards to how the NIL payments flow. In other words, there is nothing to stop one owner from paying a single player. Now, if you are paying a kid and he ends up being the best college basketball player, and the #1 draft choice, wouldn’t you think that as the company endorsing that player you would benefit financially?
 
My question was in regards to how the NIL payments flow. In other words, there is nothing to stop one owner from paying a single player. Now, if you are paying a kid and he ends up being the best college basketball player, and the #1 draft choice, wouldn’t you think that as the company endorsing that player you would benefit financially?
I have some decent info that once the revenue sharing gets fully going, there will be attempts to regulate NIL money. Essentially attempts to enforce the original intent of NIL. So outside of rev sharing, no more “pay to play”.

I don’t doubt that “they” will try. But I won’t hold my breath on anything having any teeth. Toothpaste is too far out of the tube.

If it does have teeth…players will get some money directly from the conferences and/or schools. And then they’ll have to provide fair value for their NIL money.
 
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Texas is not a state that exercises mandatory arrest for a domestic violence complaint. This means the responding officer(s) had probable cause to arrest Beard based on physical evidence or other witness statements regardless if the girlfriend "was trying to screw him over". The district attorney later dropped the case because of an uncooperating witness, but that doesn't mean a domestic violence didn't occur.

The police didn't let it go. Not surprising - they usually don't. The uncooperative witness was his girlfriend, who said that he hadn't strangled her as she initially reported and that she didn't think he was intending to harm her. She also said she never wanted him arrested nor prosecuted.

She's ignorant. Whatever happened between them is between them.
 
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The police didn't let it go. Not surprising - they usually don't. The uncooperative witness was his girlfriend, who said that he hadn't strangled her as she initially reported and that she didn't think he was intending to harm her. She also said she never wanted him arrested nor prosecuted.

She's ignorant. Whatever happened between them is between them.
Beard was arrested because there was probable cause (read the arrest record) that a crime was committed. And you do realize that more than half of all domestic violence charges are ultimately dropped because of this.
 
Beard was arrested because there was probable cause (read the arrest record) that a crime was committed. And you do realize that more than half of all domestic violence charges are ultimately dropped because of this.

You can't assume those are real. Charges simply do not automatically equal crimes. Far from it.

Probable cause that a crime was committed does equal certainty that one was.

And just because technically you could charge someone with a crime doesn't mean you should. If you get in an argument at the gym with someone and he shoves you... you have people claiming that's assault and want to get authorities involved.

That's small in my opinion. I differentiate and because I do you have to really prove more than technicalities.

That's how I view these things.
 
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