top 4: 1) Beard. 2) Iowa State. 3) May. 4) Collins. what say u
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I'm confused re #2....are we going after the entire Iowa State staff, and team?
If the guy is your number 2, do a little diligence and post his name (Otlezburger).
Honestly we need to stop this message board coaching search, for now. Like it or not, the team has a present record that would never lend to a firing midseason. No team fires their coach while the squad is sitting at 13-4 / 4-2. Yeah we got rolled in Iowa City, yeah we've had a soft schedule and record is a little misleading. Yes we tend to play, at many times, like a jumbled mess of high-paid/half-interested talent. And yes, there are probably more 20+ losses coming and the remaining B1G schedule is the toughest in the league. But....just have to let this season play out and see how it ends. Then evaluate program future and best options. The medicine tastes like shit, but we just have to swallow it until March. Then...we'll see where IU basketball is at.
If the guy is your number 2, do a little diligence and post his name (Otlezburger).
Honestly we need to stop this message board coaching search, for now. Like it or not, the team has a present record that would never lend to a firing midseason. No team fires their coach while the squad is sitting at 13-4 / 4-2. Yeah we got rolled in Iowa City, yeah we've had a soft schedule and record is a little misleading. Yes we tend to play, at many times, like a jumbled mess of high-paid/half-interested talent. And yes, there are probably more 20+ losses coming and the remaining B1G schedule is the toughest in the league. But....just have to let this season play out and see how it ends. Then evaluate program future and best options. The medicine tastes like shit, but we just have to swallow it until March. Then...we'll see where IU basketball is at.
Sadly you’re right. There’s nothing happening during the season. We could lose out and Woodson won’t be fired during the season.
I could see it if we lose...say our next 10-11 games or so...and somehow that guarantees we'll finish in the bottom 5 in the conference. That would mean no NCAA, AND no B10 tournament. If that would happen, and we have multiple weeks left in the season, I could see it happening...to give Dolson a "head start" over other P4 schools that would be planning on getting rid of their coaches.
But, I agree, its not likely to happen until seasons end. And unless the power structure has changed, it may not happen at all. The dynamic that's a little different this year, though, is Woodson would probably need to get some sort of extension at this years end, if he isn't let go. And I just can't fathom that happening if he misses out on the NCAA's, with this roster.
Woodson isn’t leaving voluntarily. After the last game of the season it’s going to be messy. Especially if Buckner flexes his muscles some more.
Of course he's not...he's owed quite a lot of money yet. He "loses" that if he leaves voluntarily.
And I honestly think...he thinks he's doing a good job at IU. Think about what the expectations are in the NBA for coaches, and put his IU resume in "NBA lingo"...
Playoff team 2 out of his first 3 years
Over .600 winning percentage
Took over a team that hadn't made the playoffs in many years, got them there in first year.
That's long term extension type stuff in the NBA.
#1 and #2 I know why they are no's, why is #4 a no? Does he want to stay "home" in Chicago?
based on what? Curious what info I offered in my post that you deem to be clownish....
You do know that nothing we discuss on here has an impact on what happens in the athletic department? Frankly, I like having discussions now about potential replacements for a coach that we know isn’t the long term solution. I have seen multiple coaches I was either completely unaware of or lacking awareness to their track record. I have begun to keep tabs on to stay better informed. We spend all summer talking hypotheticals for the upcoming season, we spend 12 months talking hypotheticals for a potential recruit, and I see nothing wrong with discussing hypotheticals for a change that seems imminent that regardless of the record. QB will have to choose between his own future and Woody’s because he is up for reelection in a few months and has somehow made himself public enemy #1 (well maybe #2)
of course. Honestly I feel the next 2 months will be death by a thousand cuts for most of us.
I'm probably going to pull back from commenting on all these coaching posts. It's therapeutic for many and I get it. But it doesn't feel that way for me personally. We've been down this road, again and again. Brad, Donavan, Beard.....almost identical posts from 4 yrs ago. And now, here we go again. There is still a chance the players on this team get things corrected, but I haven't seen a lot of evidence to believe that will happen. The talent is there (I think..not as sure I as was a few months ago) but the whole is not greater than the sum of the parts.
I remember several decades ago, an opposing player (whose name escapes me) commented that playing against an RMK coached team (1970s into early 90s) was like playing against 7 on 5 , due to the motion offense, tough man to man D with hedge/help and soft aspects of zone embedded. I get the opposite feeling when I watch IU today. Especially watching them on defense.
Hate to say it...but this fantasy thought process on the next coach is keeping me engaged with the "team" and program right now.
Nothing I'm seeing on the court is keeping me engaged. We have 1 recruit signed for next year. What the heck else, positive, is there to talk about? The thought of Stevens..."tis a pleasant fiction"...to quote one of he greatest movies ever. So why not discuss it?
The reality, most likely, is that our next coach isn't one of the "name" guys many have thrown out. And that's o.k. I'm a pretty big college basketball fan, and I'd never heard of Pat Kelsey until he beat our ass this year in Bahamas. If Dolson is allowed to do his job, I have optimism he'll find someone of equal caliber. And its possible many of us have never really heard of, or paid attention to him. There are almost 400 Division 1 men's basketball teams. I suspect the next coach will come from that particular pool. And, most likely, he will be better than our current coach.
The problem here is simple.....as IU bball fans, the ONLY thing of interest anymore is the upcoming head coach discussions. I don't just mean this year but for many years. The team's performance doesn't drive any positive emotions. Pontificating upon possible future head coaches is the only place we can find hope, even if it's just a mirage. By digging into coaching profiles and starting to isolate who actually holds any value, I have a reason to look forward to talking about IU bball. Otherwise, we'd more likely check out until April.
This is my thought. IU is one of the top teams when it comes to NIL contributions and in the modern day environment, THAT means more to a future coach than most anything. It allows a coach to recruit for need and not be hyper concerned about the budget constraints. That is the reason I think IU would be looked upon more fondly by top coaches than they had prior to NIL where all we had to sell was tradition from 30 years ago. I do think the IU job is vastly more appealing than it was even during the year we hired Woodson.
Idk..
Vogel the Lakers coach had a ..667 pct won the 2020 Championship. (Covid yr)
And got fired...But LBJ calls all the shots there..He has that kind of power!
Yeah...maybe that winning percentage isn't actually a good one in the NBA either. Seems like solidly playoff team, most years though. And for most franchises, that's good enough. I think IU is far enough removed from elite status, that we probably shouldn't consider ourselves as "Kansas like", or "Duke like"... which would be Lakers/Celtics like...
Collins, to me, would be a "settle for" guy. Similar to a Tony Bennett, maybe.
Both better than Woody, for sure. But kinda "blah" in both cases.
I'll actually be vocally upset if we hire Bennett (zero clue if he'd have any interest...he left UVA and college for a reason)...I wouldn't like it primarily because I don't think his style of play is what we should be after. And before someone responds with the winning angle...obviously I'll be happy with any sort of high level winning...I just don't think Bennett's style gives IU the best chance at that, in today's game. And for different reasons, but a similar sentiment, I think enough people would be put off by his slower style and approach, that he'd lose fans if/when he had down years.
We need to win, obviously...but we also need an exciting brand of basketball to be excited about.
Buy outs don't matter as much anymore and Dustys isn't as high as TJ Iowa States is. It will be a big name though. The Dusty talk will get unbearable if they beat us twice.
I'll be surprised if its a "big name". Kentucky couldn't lure a big name guy last year. Louisville couldn't. Arizona couldn't a couple years ago. I'll speak out of both sides of my mouth on this one...while I do think IU's NIL capacity helps, I don't think its as big of a deal in basketball as it is in football. There are enough schools out there that are "close enough" that staying at a place like Auburn, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, etc... is an easier decision than it used to be. And it comes with less scrutiny, probably less pressure, overall.
I have no doubts Dolson will go big game hunting, if he isn't already. But I hope he has a really good handle on all the "Pat Kelsey's" of the coaching ranks too. We don't need last minute "settle for" candidates, this time.
I agree The ISU guy just signed an extension, so that's out. Collins? I think is a great coach, but no where near my top 5-10. Beard, however, I think is a great candidate with his background and age. You think he's not an option over 1 DV issue where it was dropped by his fiancee? I just don't see that as an disqualifying event by itself. You obviously talk with him about it and hire an investigator, but if it all comes back that it was a 1 time thing, and he's addressed it satisfactorily in his own life, then it's hard for me to understand why that wouldn't be acceptable. Do you feel like you have insight within the AD/University?
Buckner's term is up this spring. It's Dolson's show anyway given his successes as AD. So maybe we calm down a bit. If we don't make the tournament or are out after the first weekend I'm sure he's gone. IMO it won't even be that messy. There will be plenty of high $$$ alums willing to help payoff the remainder of his contract, if needed. I'm really hoping that Dolson has already quietly started the process (search committee or other expert input ) as a serious just-in-case so we are prepared to move when it happens. At least a lot more prepared than we looked at Iowa. That was dreadful.
The charges were dropped because his fiancé recanted her story, but I think most people are of the opinion that her original story was likely true. I'm not sure "an investigator" is going to be helpful here.
Zero chance Beard ever coaches at IU. IU isn't going to want to deal with any sort of pushback from people because we hired a dude who beats women. It's a 100% non-starter.
Lay out your case that Beard "beats women". What most people's opinions are, is not really relevant. A DV issue, especially one where a teenage daughter is involved, as I believe she was that night, is a highly emotionally charged incident. So far as I know, that's the only time that's ever been even suggested as a problem. An investigator could tell you that in a day easily. If she dropped it, and they've resovled it, I don't see why it would be an issue, and think it would be wrong to allow it to be. If he has any history of "beating women" he'll have had police called on him numerous times and would have charges and restraining orders, etc... and then I'd agree, it's a disqualifier.
He could always be reappointed. Anyone know if Mike Braun is an IUBB fan? Hopefully he'll appoint trustees who let the university executives and directors do their jobs.
I agree with all that, I just hope IU doesn’t panic hire someone. Like, we don’t need to hire someone 4 days after Woodson is gone. I’d like to see a thorough search and wouldn’t care if we didn’t hire someone until May if it means getting the right coach. Plenty of time for the post season to be finished and coaches to be available for talks.
Here's why I think its disqualifying...
1. The topic is beyond toxic. And with DV cases, dropped doesn't always mean it didn't happen. So there's potential for it to flare back up, really at any point.
2. I can hear similar words and sentiments to when we hired Sampson. I'm just not sure he's worth the risk.
3. Speaking out of both sides of my mouth again...I've said many times all we need is a good basketball coach, the NIL stuff will take care of the talent. Beard is a very good basketball coach, and has shown an ability to win quickly with transfers. I just think he "stands out" from the crowd less today, than he did even a few years ago. There are more guys out there, that could do similar things, with our NIL capabilities. Which makes taking the risk on his past issues, less needed.
If he's on the list, and he passes all the checks and tests, and gets hired...I'll be tenuously excited about it, though. There's zero question he'd win at Indiana, in in short order.
I'm sure there's plenty of coaches (agents really) waiting for that phone call from Scott. Kentucky was used and abused last season as was UCLA a few years back when they ended up with Cronin. All the Pearl talk last February was probably manufactured by Pearl's camp as he has been wanting a new practice facility and a new apparel sponsorship for some time now. Strike out on Stevens (again) and Dusty it's going to get ugly quick.
Could be... I think the relative successes by guys like Pope, Kelsey, DeVries, Jans, White...and then yes, May... would make naming a guy like McCollum, or someone with similar pedigree to him and/or a Kelsey... much less "ugly" than it would have 4 years ago. And I hope if/when they do strike out on the "name" guys, that their backup list is filled with proven lower level guys like McCollum, Kelsey, etc...
It'd be cool if they ended up "settling" for a really damn good basketball coach.
We say that every coaching cycle. Whether it be Donovan or Stevens or whoever this fan base always talks themselves into thinking we're hiring a proven, elite coach. And then it never happens. How disappointed were people when they hired Crean after names like Calipari, Few, and Bennett were floated? Or when they hired Archie after all the talk of Billy Donovan coming? Woodson when Stevens turned down the job?
Bucky would be FUN! Dusty is in the process of cleansing some big doubts I have on him. A top 2-3 finish in the B10, and post season success, would make me a lot more comfortable. His resume, outside the Final Four run year, is very pedestrian. But his start at Michigan has been very good. I would still worry, though, that we're getting a more normal, IU guy, version of Crean.
I don't need to lay out anything. I don't know the facts and neither do you. The point is that the facts don't matter here. This isn't a court of law. Only the narrative matters. And "a guy who beats women" would be the narrative. IU wouldn't want that.
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