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None of them have an overall winning record while at IU. With the competition the Big Ten has, I doubt if any future coaches will either.

Clyde Smith 1948-1951 8-27-1 23.6%

Bernie Crimmons 1952-1956 13-32 28.9%

Bob Hicks 1957 1-8 11.1%

Phil Dickens 1958-1964 20-41-2 33.3%

John Pont 1965-1972 31-51-1 37.9%

Lee Corso 1973-1982 41-68-2 37.5%

Sam Wyche 1983 3-8 27.2%

Bill Mallory 1984-1996 69-77-3 47.3%

Cam Cameron 1997-2001 18-37 32.7%

Gerry DiNardo 2002-2004 8-27 22.9%

Terry Hoeppner 2005-2006 9-14 39.1%

Bill Lynch 2007-2009 19-30 38.7%

Kevin Wilson 2011-2016 6-30 32.1%

Tom Allen 2016-present 29-37 46.0%
 
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Did Allen's teams start to decline when his players began playing or did it start to decline before they started playing? What appears to be the cause of Allen's demise? I know his OL is atrocious. Is that the cause? Is it his coaching staff selections? Is it his game management? His player development? His game prep? His coaching philosophy?

I'm curious as to what specific deficiency or deficiencies you posters think is the cause of Allen's failure at IU. He does seem to be a good recruiter but, it's not reflected in an improved team. What is/are the primary reason(s) for his failure as a coach?
 
Jg48 said:
Did Allen's teams start to decline when his players began playing or did it start to decline before they started playing? What appears to be the cause of Allen's demise? I know his OL is atrocious. Is that the cause? Is it his coaching staff selections? Is it his game management? His player development? His game prep? His coaching philosophy?

I'm curious as to what specific deficiency or deficiencies you posters think is the cause of Allen's failure at IU. He does seem to be a good recruiter but, it's not reflected in an improved team. What is/are the primary reason(s) for his failure as a coach?
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All of the above.
 
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Jg48 said:
Did Allen's teams start to decline when his players began playing or did it start to decline before they started playing? What appears to be the cause of Allen's demise? I know his OL is atrocious. Is that the cause? Is it his coaching staff selections? Is it his game management? His player development? His game prep? His coaching philosophy?

I'm curious as to what specific deficiency or deficiencies you posters think is the cause of Allen's failure at IU. He does seem to be a good recruiter but, it's not reflected in an improved team. What is/are the primary reason(s) for his failure as a coach?
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LOS O&D
Wants a ball control offense that can achieve chunk plays but LOS doesn't allow its possibility
Likes QBs that can pass but also have wheels but not been consistently available on the roster
Talent, talent, talent hasn't matched philosophy. Most prominently LOS not up to B1G play. Need focused NIL for B1G level talent in the trenches.
 
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Hoosier Clarion said:
LOS O&D
Wants a ball control offense that can achieve chunk plays but LOS doesn't allow its possibility
Likes QBs that can pass but also have wheels but not been consistently available on the roster
Talent, talent, talent hasn't matched philosophy. Most prominently LOS not up to B1G play. Need focused NIL for B1G level talent in the trenches.
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hasn't found adequate replacements for penix and ramsey. isn't it amazing what a good qb can do for a coach? even a mediocre one.
 
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Hoosier Clarion said:
LOS O&D
Wants a ball control offense that can achieve chunk plays but LOS doesn't allow its possibility
Likes QBs that can pass but also have wheels but not been consistently available on the roster
Talent, talent, talent hasn't matched philosophy. Most prominently LOS not up to B1G play. Need focused NIL for B1G level talent in the trenches.
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Both LOS’s, I agree
 
Imndzone said:
None of them have an overall winning record while at IU. With the competition the Big Ten has, I doubt if any future coaches will either.

Clyde Smith 1948-1951 8-27-1 23.6%

Bernie Crimmons 1952-1956 13-32 28.9%

Bob Hicks 1957 1-8 11.1%

Phil Dickens 1958-1964 20-41-2 33.3%

John Pont 1965-1972 31-51-1 37.9%

Lee Corso 1973-1982 41-68-2 37.5%

Sam Wyche 1983 3-8 27.2%

Bill Mallory 1984-1996 69-77-3 47.3%

Cam Cameron 1997-2001 18-37 32.7%

Gerry DiNardo 2002-2004 8-27 22.9%

Terry Hoeppner 2005-2006 9-14 39.1%

Bill Lynch 2007-2009 19-30 38.7%

Kevin Wilson 2011-2016 6-30 32.1%

Tom Allen 2016-present 29-37 46.0%
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Wilson's record looks incorrect. It was 26-47 35.6% per Sport-Reference.com
 
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8Stars5Banners said:
it's a shame Mallory didn't end with a winning record... after his abysmal first 3 seasons things were really good for many years
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I really liked Mallory, and as you point out he had some good years, but not only did he start poorly his league record was a combined 1-15 in his 12th and 13th seasons.

In 13 seasons he had four years at .500 or above in the conference, four years with only 0 or 1 conference wins and 5 years with 3 conference wins. And those were our “glory years” since WW2.

The right guy can probably/maybe consistently win but for a myriad of reasons it’s a really tough gig.
 
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I really liked Mallory, and as you point out he had some good years, but not only did he start poorly his league record was a combined 1-15 in his 12th and 13th seasons.

In 13 seasons he had four years at .500 or above in the conference, four years with only 0 or 1 conference wins and 5 years with 3 conference wins. And those were our “glory years” since WW2.

The right guy can probably/maybe consistently win but for a myriad of reasons it’s a really tough gig.
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I liked Mallory too. I was born in 48. In my lifetime, IU has not had a coach with a winning record. This sure looks like a systemic problem. That's 14 straight coaches with losing records in 74+years. Maybe the question is...What is it about Indiana University that makes it a graveyard for football head coaches?
 
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Jg48 said:
I liked Mallory too. I was born in 48. In my lifetime, IU has not had a coach with a winning record. This sure looks like a systemic problem. That's 14 straight coaches with losing records in 74+years. Maybe the question is...What is it about Indiana University that makes it a graveyard for football head coaches?
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because it's always been about basketball. football's only been an afterthought.
 
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RegionHoosiers said:
He's doing his best to take care of that too. Add 4 more losses and he'll be down closer to 40% in a month or so.

Bill Lynch numbers, which is probably a good comparison as they both inherited bowl caliber teams.
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and two of his next 4 losses will come at the hands of the Buckeyes.
 
I was just reading that PU's last coach, apparently the worst one ever, won 3 conference games in 4 years.

Ours is looking at 1 in 2 years.
 
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