History of IU football coaches for last 70 years

[Imndzone]

Here is a history of IU football coaches for the last 70 years. Not one coach has left IU with a winning record. I can't see why a top level coach would want to come here based on our history. (sorry about the alignment.)

Head Coach Years Seasons Record Pct. Conf. Pct. Conf. titles Bowl games
Clyde Smith 1948–1951 4 8–27–1 0.236 4–19 0.174 0 0
Bernie Crimmins 1952–1956 5 13–32 0.289 6–24 0.2 0 0
Bob Hicks 1957 1 1–8 0.111 0–6 0 0 0
Phil Dickens 1958–1964 7 20–41–2 0.333 8–27–2 0.243 0 0
John Pont 1965–1972 8 31–51–1 0.38 21–36–1 0.371 1 1
Lee Corso 1973–1982 10 41–68–2 0.378 28–52–2 0.354 0 1
Sam Wyche 1983 1 3–8 0.273 2–7 0.222 0 0
Bill Mallory 1984–1996 13 69–77–3 0.473 39–65–1 0.376 0 6
Cam Cameron 1997–2001 5 18–37 0.327 12–28 0.3 0 0
Gerry DiNardo 2002–2004 3 8–27 0.229 3–21 0.125 0 0
Terry Hoeppner 2005–2006 2 9–14 0.391 4–12 0.25 0 0
Bill Lynch 2007–2010 4 19–30 0.388 6–26 0.188 0 1
Kevin Wilson 2011–2016 5 18–38 0.321 6–30 0.167 0 1
Tom Allen 2016–present 3 10–15 0.400 4–14 0.222 0 1

 

[IndyIUFan66]

So Terry Hoeppner who I loved, was 9-14 after two years. Allen is 10-15.

Give it all a rest for at least full next season. If we regress after next season fair questions can be asked, but if staff is tweaked and another good recruiting class added on top of this last year (who stepped up big this season) things will start to change.

Penix May make Allen have people saying Brohm who?

 

[CC Mac]

So Terry Hoeppner who I loved, was 9-14 after two years. Allen is 10-15.

Give it all a rest for at least full next season. If we regress after next season fair questions can be asked, but if staff is tweaked and another good recruiting class added on top of this last year (who stepped up big this season) things will start to change.

Penix May make Allen have people saying Brohm who?

I see no way we keep the current recruiting class together given the way the season ended.
I hope I’m wrong but poaching season has begun in full force.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

So Terry Hoeppner who I loved, was 9-14 after two years. Allen is 10-15.

Give it all a rest for at least full next season. If we regress after next season fair questions can be asked, but if staff is tweaked and another good recruiting class added on top of this last year (who stepped up big this season) things will start to change.

Penix May make Allen have people saying Brohm who?

Games are won and lost in the trenches and our coaching there is terrible. Penix may look great due to his running for his life.

The secondary and defensive HC need to be replaced ASAP as well.

 

[82hoosier]

I believe Hep is the only one who was not fired (other than Wyche who quit after one season).

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

I see no way we keep the current recruiting class together given the way the season ended.
I hope I’m wrong but poaching season has begun in full force.

You are fully correct. This is already happening. Say goodbye to at least 4 known flips before February.
Allen had a great opportunity in front of him and he pissed it away. You can say goodbye to him after next year as well. He’s gone.

 

[IU Scott]

You are fully correct. This is already happening. Say goodbye to at least 4 known flips before February.
Allen had a great opportunity in front of him and he pissed it away. You can say goodbye to him after next year as well. He’s gone.

Please provide the link of this or are you just hoping it will happen so you will look right. With fans like you no wonder IU football has struggled over the years because everything with people like you are negative. I hope you realize that recruits and their families monitor these type of sites and your negativity does not help with recruiting.

If you want a change in the program just bitching and moaning does not help one thing. Like I told the people over on the basketball board you have two options either support the team or don't support in anyway. If you really want a change then you totally stop any support of that program and that means don't post on message boards, don't watch the games or go to the games.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

Please provide the link of this or are you just hoping it will happen so you will look right. With fans like you no wonder IU football has struggled over the years because everything with people like you are negative. I hope you realize that recruits and their families monitor these type of sites and your negativity does not help with recruiting.

If you want a change in the program just bitching and moaning does not help one thing. Like I told the people over on the basketball board you have two options either support the team or don't support in anyway. If you really want a change then you totally stop any support of that program and that means don't post on message boards, don't watch the games or go to the games.

Scott - I don’t wish it to happen but IU’s very existence in the Big Ten is at stake and if we don’t get leaders who are going all in on coaching and investment, we’ll find ourselves back in the effin stone ages before the next 5 years. We are at a crucial point with both programs. We ARE the Northwestern of the Francis Peay era. Need some bold visionaries in the AD.

Basketball cannot save us. Passed by in our own conference by football schools. It’s do or die now for IU.

 

[Hoosiers Rising]

So Terry Hoeppner who I loved, was 9-14 after two years. Allen is 10-15.

Give it all a rest for at least full next season. If we regress after next season fair questions can be asked, but if staff is tweaked and another good recruiting class added on top of this last year (who stepped up big this season) things will start to change.

Penix May make Allen have people saying Brohm who?

Tweaks on the staff? The only guy that everyone agrees should stay is Hart. If after year 2 you need a whole new staff, you are starting over. Might as well make it a clean slate. You seem to be pinning the hope of the whole program on Penix. He has a great arm but not the body to compete in the B10 for a whole season. Next year is a guaranteed regression if you look at the schedule.

 

[IU Scott]

Scott - I don’t wish it to happen but IU’s very existence in the Big Ten is at stake and if we don’t get leaders who are going all in on coaching and investment, we’ll find ourselves back in the effin stone ages before the next 5 years. We are at a crucial point with both programs. We ARE the Northwestern of the Francis Peay era. Need some bold visionaries in the AD.

Basketball cannot save us. Passed by in our own conference by football schools. It’s do or die now for IU.

I am saying if you want change make yourself heard and that is not bitching on a message board. The administration doesn't care what a bunch of guys on a message board think so why keep doing the same thing thinking it will change. If you really want to make a change get with fans and start a e-mail campaign to Glass and let your voice be heard. If you go to games then stop paying for tickets. If you donate to the school stop donating until their is a change. If you watch the games stop watching them to show your displeasure. If you buy IU products stop buying them until a change is made. By posting on here it shows you still care so stop posting because that shows you don't care any longer.

 

[gmhowes]

I believe Hep is the only one who was not fired (other than Wyche who quit after one season).

We have supplied commentators to ESPN on the cheap,even flappy made it.

 

[IndyIUFan66]

I see no way we keep the current recruiting class together given the way the season ended.
I hope I’m wrong but poaching season has begun in full force.

Be ready to eat your words . Or who knows, we may add a David Bell still. Or some more FL talent. All speculative until both signing days are done.

 

[IndyIUFan66]

Games are won and lost in the trenches and our coaching there is terrible. Penix may look great due to his running for his life.

The secondary and defensive HC need to be replaced ASAP as well.

I have stayed many times I expect to see staff tweaks ahead in off season.

 

[ufo33]

Get out the wallet and hire a proven winner and get serious about IU Football.
Very tired of being the Washington Generals, comic relief, to the rest of the B1G for the last 50 years.

 

[Walt542]

Interesting that Allen has the second best winning percentage on that list.

 

[IndyIUFan66]

Two years /1 recruiting class does not equal a sample size survey of relevance.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

Be ready to eat your words . Or who knows, we may add a David Bell still. Or some more FL talent. All speculative until both signing days are done.

I can tell you without hesitation that David Bell is going to Purdue if Brohm stays. If Brohm leaves, Bell will be heading out of state.

 

[IU Scott]

Get out the wallet and hire a proven winner and get serious about IU Football.
Very tired of being the Washington Generals, comic relief, to the rest of the B1G for the last 50 years.

Like who because it is so easy for fans to fire the coach but never have a person who would be that great hire.

 

[Rakkasan29]

Interesting that Allen has the second best winning percentage on that list.

Well it helps tremendously when you follow Wilson and not Dinardo or Lynch or Sam Wyche.

 

[CC Mac]

Be ready to eat your words . Or who knows, we may add a David Bell still. Or some more FL talent. All speculative until both signing days are done.

May not eat my words,I will be happy actually.
Just stating my opinion,I know that’s frowned upon on here.

 

[td75]

Well it helps tremendously when you follow Wilson and not Dinardo or Lynch or Sam Wyche.

Absolutely, it speaks to the talent upgrades that KW was able to recruit versus those old regimes from years ago.

I have followed IU football recruiting more closely than I should have for decades. KW was able to grab players that previous staffs only dreamed of landing. I like to use Tony Fields as my example. Tony was a guy that Wilson signed out of Florida and he played from day one. I wish he could've redshirted him because he would've been a 5th year senior this year. He had offers from many different power 5 schools.

Just look at the number of IU pros, and those guys are flourishing.

 

[ThreeToMakeTwo]

The last back to back winning seasons we had were 1993-1994. The administration doesn’t care. At all.

 

[IU Scott]

The last back to back winning seasons we had were 1993-1994. The administration doesn’t care. At all.

If they did not care why would they spend millions of dollars to upgrade all or these facilities. Some of you guys need to get off the ledge because it is not healthy to always be so negative.

 

[coachv jr]

Here is a history of IU football coaches for the last 70 years. Not one coach has left IU with a winning record. I can't see why a top level coach would want to come here based on our history. (sorry about the alignment.)

Head Coach Years Seasons Record Pct. Conf. Pct. Conf. titles Bowl games
Clyde Smith 1948–1951 4 8–27–1 0.236 4–19 0.174 0 0
Bernie Crimmins 1952–1956 5 13–32 0.289 6–24 0.2 0 0
Bob Hicks 1957 1 1–8 0.111 0–6 0 0 0
Phil Dickens 1958–1964 7 20–41–2 0.333 8–27–2 0.243 0 0
John Pont 1965–1972 8 31–51–1 0.38 21–36–1 0.371 1 1
Lee Corso 1973–1982 10 41–68–2 0.378 28–52–2 0.354 0 1
Sam Wyche 1983 1 3–8 0.273 2–7 0.222 0 0
Bill Mallory 1984–1996 13 69–77–3 0.473 39–65–1 0.376 0 6
Cam Cameron 1997–2001 5 18–37 0.327 12–28 0.3 0 0
Gerry DiNardo 2002–2004 3 8–27 0.229 3–21 0.125 0 0
Terry Hoeppner 2005–2006 2 9–14 0.391 4–12 0.25 0 0
Bill Lynch 2007–2010 4 19–30 0.388 6–26 0.188 0 1
Kevin Wilson 2011–2016 5 18–38 0.321 6–30 0.167 0 1
Tom Allen 2016–present 3 10–15 0.400 4–14 0.222 0 1

i personally updated allen's record on wiki a couple of hours ago. lol

 

[coachv jr]

Tweaks on the staff? The only guy that everyone agrees should stay is Hart. If after year 2 you need a whole new staff, you are starting over. Might as well make it a clean slate. You seem to be pinning the hope of the whole program on Penix. He has a great arm but not the body to compete in the B10 for a whole season. Next year is a guaranteed regression if you look at the schedule.

we will probably lose hart just as we did our last good rb coach. iu is, after all, a stepping stone

 

[coachv jr]

Absolutely, it speaks to the talent upgrades that KW was able to recruit versus those old regimes from years ago.

I have followed IU football recruiting more closely than I should have for decades. KW was able to grab players that previous staffs only dreamed of landing. I like to use Tony Fields as my example. Tony was a guy that Wilson signed out of Florida and he played from day one. I wish he could've redshirted him because he would've been a 5th year senior this year. He had offers from many different power 5 schools.

Just look at the number of IU pros, and those guys are flourishing.

as a packer fan i can tell you that spriggs is not one of them

 

[ThreeToMakeTwo]

If they did not care why would they spend millions of dollars to upgrade all or these facilities. Some of you guys need to get off the ledge because it is not healthy to always be so negative.

https://www.crimsonquarry.com/2018/...-misses-ap-top-25-for-1247th-consecutive-week

To keep from being a laughing stock. Investing to keep up the stadium is good financial sense, giving donors a decent place to stay out of the rain.
Where’s that picture of the goose poop in the stands where Fred expects fans to rush and fill up week after week? Where is the administration’s love for the football program if they won’t even hire some kid to hose goose poop off their bleaches?
What was the big deal a few years ago, the tallest flag pole in the Big Ten? How many victories did that account for?
I’m a fan like anyone else and want them to do well but like any business the solution starts at the top.

 

[ufo33]

College Football: 5 worst Power Five programs since start of BCS era
https://saturdayblitz.com/2017/06/26/worst-college-football-programs-bcs-era/

 

[Mean Mr Mustard]

College Football: 5 worst Power Five programs since start of BCS era
https://saturdayblitz.com/2017/06/26/worst-college-football-programs-bcs-era/

Yep, there it is in black and white.

 

[IUCol]

I can tell you one thing almost for certain....people keep putting the entire future of the program and Coach Allen on a skinny kid from FL who hasn't won a game and when put in a critical situation goes down with a season ending injury, he will fold up like a pup tent. Truth is we need Ramsey to be next years QB imo. He is going to get stronger and better and frankly was more than good enough for this team. Not sure all those bomb passes Penix can throw would have been caught consistently anyway. We need controlled offense not a high risk high reward one. Think we've tried that before. Why don't we shut up about Penix, let nature take it course, and take what comes? If he wins the job, fine...sorry for Peyton....but calling him a perfect backup is an insult on so many levels I'm done talking about it. I'm done defending the best QB we have had in a very long time. Our record is NOT a refection on him that's for certain...but I completely count on most IU fans missing that. Who cares? Believe what you want.

Whatever happens won't depend on anything said on this board...

 

[IUCol]

Here is a history of IU football coaches for the last 70 years. Not one coach has left IU with a winning record. I can't see why a top level coach would want to come here based on our history. (sorry about the alignment.)

Head Coach Years Seasons Record Pct. Conf. Pct. Conf. titles Bowl games
Clyde Smith 1948–1951 4 8–27–1 0.236 4–19 0.174 0 0
Bernie Crimmins 1952–1956 5 13–32 0.289 6–24 0.2 0 0
Bob Hicks 1957 1 1–8 0.111 0–6 0 0 0
Phil Dickens 1958–1964 7 20–41–2 0.333 8–27–2 0.243 0 0
John Pont 1965–1972 8 31–51–1 0.38 21–36–1 0.371 1 1
Lee Corso 1973–1982 10 41–68–2 0.378 28–52–2 0.354 0 1
Sam Wyche 1983 1 3–8 0.273 2–7 0.222 0 0
Bill Mallory 1984–1996 13 69–77–3 0.473 39–65–1 0.376 0 6
Cam Cameron 1997–2001 5 18–37 0.327 12–28 0.3 0 0
Gerry DiNardo 2002–2004 3 8–27 0.229 3–21 0.125 0 0
Terry Hoeppner 2005–2006 2 9–14 0.391 4–12 0.25 0 0
Bill Lynch 2007–2010 4 19–30 0.388 6–26 0.188 0 1
Kevin Wilson 2011–2016 5 18–38 0.321 6–30 0.167 0 1
Tom Allen 2016–present 3 10–15 0.400 4–14 0.222 0 1

I posted these stats over two years ago but the message was lost. Good luck...

 

[IndyIUFan66]

I can tell you one thing almost for certain....people keep putting the entire future of the program and Coach Allen on a skinny kid from FL who hasn't won a game and when put in a critical situation goes down with a season ending injury, he will fold up like a pup tent. Truth is we need Ramsey to be next years QB imo. He is going to get stronger and better and frankly was more than good enough for this team. Not sure all those bomb passes Penix can throw would have been caught consistently anyway. We need controlled offense not a high risk high reward one. Think we've tried that before. Why don't we shut up about Penix, let nature take it course, and take what comes? If he wins the job, fine...sorry for Peyton....but calling him a perfect backup is an insult on so many levels I'm done talking about it. I'm done defending the best QB we have had in a very long time. Our record is NOT a refection on him that's for certain...but I completely count on most IU fans missing that. Who cares? Believe what you want.

Whatever happens won't depend on anything said on this board...

Glad you have spoken your wisdom. But excitement for Penix doesn't have to equate to being "anti-Ramsey" so you may want to relax on that front.

 

[IUCol]

Glad you have spoken your wisdom. But excitement for Penix doesn't have to equate to being "anti-Ramsey" so you may want to relax on that front.

Funny...saying that hasn't stopped it from coming out that way. I like Penix too but I've seen 4 star busts before...just recently if you remember (ie CP). We don't need a savior...we need better coaching and players who listen and learn. Takes two...cant learn it for them as my wife likes to say. Opinions always get elevated to "wisdom" when someone doesn't like what they hear...rather than just state your own opinion. Sorry you felt the need for that...

 

[gulcherboy]

I believe Hep is the only one who was not fired (other than Wyche who quit after one season).

Pont was not fired. He left for Northwestern before he could be fired. While he clearly had lost the fan base and had minimal support and probably was on the way to being fired, he, nonetheless, left of his own accord.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

I can tell you one thing almost for certain....people keep putting the entire future of the program and Coach Allen on a skinny kid from FL who hasn't won a game and when put in a critical situation goes down with a season ending injury, he will fold up like a pup tent. Truth is we need Ramsey to be next years QB imo. He is going to get stronger and better and frankly was more than good enough for this team. Not sure all those bomb passes Penix can throw would have been caught consistently anyway. We need controlled offense not a high risk high reward one. Think we've tried that before. Why don't we shut up about Penix, let nature take it course, and take what comes? If he wins the job, fine...sorry for Peyton....but calling him a perfect backup is an insult on so many levels I'm done talking about it. I'm done defending the best QB we have had in a very long time. Our record is NOT a refection on him that's for certain...but I completely count on most IU fans missing that. Who cares? Believe what you want.

Whatever happens won't depend on anything said on this board...

I agree with you frequently, but you come up with some doozies when it comes to PR......are you related? Medicated? Otherwise, how can you assert that PR is the "best QB we have had in a very long time"? Holy crap. We had Sudfeld from 2013-15, Tre Roberson in 2013, and Chappell as late as 2010. All were far better QBs than PR.

So you're saying he's going to get stronger & better? Let's look at 2017 & 2018.....2017--65.4%, 10 TDs/5 ints, 127.9 QR, 226 rush yds, 2.5 ypc, 2 TDs; 2018 (with twice as many snaps)--66.0%, 19 TDs, 13 ints, 128.2, 354 rush yds, 3.2 ypc, 5 TDs. Exactly the same player. And this year he was, by and large, healthy.

PR's not the problem, but he's certainly not the solution. He's a very average BT starting QB, at best. I was wrong earlier when I said he might be average +. I would rate him as 8th string ABT. He doesn't improve an average team, nor does he make one worse. He was outplayed in home losses by Stanley, McSorley, and Blough. He's the very definition of mediocrity. And, for me at least, it's almost painful watching him play. I've seen a lot of good QBs over the years.....Gonzo, Bradley, Clifford, Babe, Schnell, Green, Lewis, ARE, Sudfeld......he's not one of them. "Perfect backup" is not an insult, it is an accurate description of the situation.

And yes, PR does play very, very hard. So did all the other guys I mentioned. The difference between them & PR is that they were good..

As for that "controlled offense" you want........#57/130 in ypg, but only #88 in scoring per game at 26.4........that's pretty controlled........more evidence of the lack of productivity from the QB position, and why teams like IU need a play maker at the QB position.

I know Penix is unproven.......there is no guarantee there, but there is hope. If I had a chance, I'd advise CTA that if the QB race is close, he better go with Penix. He can't trot out the same stuff we've seen the last two years and retain any credibility he has left.

 

[i'vegotwinners]

I see no way we keep the current recruiting class together given the way the season ended.
I hope I’m wrong but poaching season has begun in full force.

this board is being worked to that end as we speak, (started with trying to sow discontent with Penix), has been for a while, and no doubt the social media effort will ramp up.

this is the internet, and the Russians learned how to work it from us, not vice versa.

if a username "Greatest IU Fan Ever" keeps posting doom and gloom with every post, good chance he isn't an IU fan, and isn't here just to talk football.

 

[i'vegotwinners]

I agree with you frequently, but you come up with some doozies when it comes to PR......are you related? Medicated? Otherwise, how can you assert that PR is the "best QB we have had in a very long time"? Holy crap. We had Sudfeld from 2013-15, Tre Roberson in 2013, and Chappell as late as 2010. All were far better QBs than PR.

So you're saying he's going to get stronger & better? Let's look at 2017 & 2018.....2017--65.4%, 10 TDs/5 ints, 127.9 QR, 226 rush yds, 2.5 ypc, 2 TDs; 2018 (with twice as many snaps)--66.0%, 19 TDs, 13 ints, 128.2, 354 rush yds, 3.2 ypc, 5 TDs. Exactly the same player. And this year he was, by and large, healthy.

PR's not the problem, but he's certainly not the solution. He's a very average BT starting QB, at best. I was wrong earlier when I said he might be average +. I would rate him as 8th string ABT. He doesn't improve an average team, nor does he make one worse. He was outplayed in home losses by Stanley, McSorley, and Blough. He's the very definition of mediocrity. And, for me at least, it's almost painful watching him play. I've seen a lot of good QBs over the years.....Gonzo, Bradley, Clifford, Babe, Schnell, Green, Lewis, ARE, Sudfeld......he's not one of them. "Perfect backup" is not an insult, it is an accurate description of the situation.

And yes, PR does play very, very hard. So did all the other guys I mentioned. The difference between them & PR is that they were good..

As for that "controlled offense" you want........#57/130 in ypg, but only #88 in scoring per game at 26.4........that's pretty controlled........more evidence of the lack of productivity from the QB position, and why teams like IU need a play maker at the QB position.

I know Penix is unproven.......there is no guarantee there, but there is hope. If I had a chance, I'd advise CTA that if the QB race is close, he better go with Penix. He can't trot out the same stuff we've seen the last two years and retain any credibility he has left.

wow, you're one really terrible judge of QBs.

fact is, PR is very good for a soph, and MP is very promising as well.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

wow, you're one really terrible judge of QBs.

fact is, PR is very good for a soph, and MP is very promising as well.

How about a fact or two which supports your opinion....please start by explaining how a QB that is "quite good for a soph" leads a team that is 88th nationally in scoring per game.

 

[SBendguy]

Games are won and lost in the trenches and our coaching there is terrible. Penix may look great due to his running for his life.

The secondary and defensive HC need to be replaced ASAP as well.

If you watched Penix and saw him running for his life, I'd have to.say you.weren't paying very close attention.

 

[i'vegotwinners]

How about a fact or two which supports your opinion....please start by explaining how a QB that is "quite good for a soph" leads a team that is 88th nationally in scoring per game.

i don't know our ppg rank, but i've seen lots of IU offenses and IU QBs.

we also played OSU, PSU, MSU, Mich, and Iowa, and played in a start to finish monsoon, a wind storm, and a cold and windy day so bad it emptied out the stadium in a contested game against a marquee school. (never saw even a downpour empty the stadium like that).

how do we rank vs other schools that played that level sched in that weather.

go troll somewhere else.

PR is really good. IU is lucky to have him.

MP looks very gifted. lucky to have him too.

QB is a huge strength.