This message board is OLD, BORING, and BORING

[Moops]

Maybe the best single post I've seen on here in a long time.

Plus I don't remember Thugah ever being that creative. So it must be completely true.

 

[crossfire74]

1) I have been posting on IU forums since the early 90's I am beyond old guard. I am the OTF's Methos (perhaps only Goat will get that reference). This board has indeed went downhill compared to the early days, but is still light years beyond anything forum related I have participated on.

2) I am getting a little tired of the belief that TMP "killed" the OTF. I have seen guys like Superhoosier and others push this theory. If you don't like TMP, put him on ignore. It is that simple. If you are crying about TMP, you pretty much want everyone to know you have a yeast infection. Planned Parenthood can help you with that, btw.

3) The format change + Tom Crean + the deaths of Andy, Kref and a literal host of other posters are hard to overcome, but the voluntary defection of great posters like Homercles and BRS is nothing we can do anything about. I guess we either up the game, or quit bitching.

4) Zizkov , MTIOTF, and others are always starting threads (music or topical) but I rarely see the biggest whiners doing so. Again, up your game.

5) More threads like the Apology thread please.

TMP and C$ have been on my ignore list for a long time. My OTF experience is completely different and more enjoyable, but #3 is the real reason this place isn't as fun as it use to be.

 

[Moops]

Just this Sunday, I was watching some football and decided to go play a little golf. As I was backing out of the driveway, the neighbors 15 yr old dog ran behind the car and got squished. After I hosed the mess off my car and tossing his carcass in the dumpster (wasn't really in the mood for histrionics - better they think he's still out there somewhere, frolicking with the deer or some such bs) I decided to go to the mall instead and saw a security guard beat an old lady with a small child over a stolen Colts hat. Thinking this was very un-common, I opted to just go home and drink a bunch of beer instead. Not that grocery store swill either, some really good pretentious stuff with names that sound like Steinbeck novels.

Speaking of 'un-common', about 2 weeks ago I broke 3 things within the course of an hour. It had to be demons.

We were getting ready for a cul-de-sac driveway social. It started when I went to the store and bought a table and groceries for chili. I am putting the groceries away and take a can of biscuits and a jar of olives out of the bag. The olives fall off the table and onto the floor. Really? It couldn't have been the non-breakable can of Grands! biscuits that got knocked over?

About 30 minutes later I am making chili and reach for a pot holder. It was slightly under a ceramic lid which I did not notice. At least not until it flipped over, dropping no more than 2 inches, and broke into 3 pieces. We had just bought the jar and lid 2 months ago at an antiques place in Maine.

About 30 minutes later I am in the garage to run the extension cord out to the driveway. I hear another *smash*. The decorative ceramic cup we had been using to scoop and refill clean cat litter fell off the ledge. When I told my wife she said, "I have had that cup since I was a kid." To which I replied, "Well, if it was so precious, you wouldn't have been using it for cat litter."

I didn't recall the sensation of touching the jar of olives to knock it over, or the pot holder being under the ceramic lid when I reached for it, or the extension cord touching or being near the ceramic cup to knock it off. Those just seem like my rationalizations after the fact.

It was a run of un-common luck ... or, if we are going to be completely truthful to ourselves, demons.

 

[Zizkov]

Speaking of 'un-common', about 2 weeks ago I broke 3 things within the course of an hour. It had to be demons.

We were getting ready for a cul-de-sac driveway social. It started when I went to the store and bought a table and groceries for chili. I am putting the groceries away and take a can of biscuits and a jar of olives out of the bag. The olives fall off the table and onto the floor. Really? It couldn't have been the non-breakable can of Grands! biscuits that got knocked over?

About 30 minutes later I am making chili and reach for a pot holder. It was slightly under a ceramic lid which I did not notice. At least not until it flipped over, dropping no more than 2 inches, and broke into 3 pieces. We had just bought the jar and lid 2 months ago at an antiques place in Maine.

About 30 minutes later I am in the garage to run the extension cord out to the driveway. I hear another *smash*. The decorative ceramic cup we had been using to scoop and refill clean cat litter fell off the ledge. When I told my wife she said, "I have had that cup since I was a kid." To which I replied, "Well, if it was so precious, you wouldn't have been using it for cat litter."

I didn't recall the sensation of touching the jar of olives to knock it over, or the pot holder being under the ceramic lid when I reached for it, or the extension cord touching or being near the ceramic cup to knock it off. Those just seem like my rationalizations after the fact.

It was a run of un-common luck ... or, if we are going to be completely truthful to ourselves, demons.

The Force is strong with this one.

 

[1987Grad]

Speaking of 'un-common', about 2 weeks ago I broke 3 things within the course of an hour. It had to be demons.

We were getting ready for a cul-de-sac driveway social. It started when I went to the store and bought a table and groceries for chili. I am putting the groceries away and take a can of biscuits and a jar of olives out of the bag. The olives fall off the table and onto the floor. Really? It couldn't have been the non-breakable can of Grands! biscuits that got knocked over?

About 30 minutes later I am making chili and reach for a pot holder. It was slightly under a ceramic lid which I did not notice. At least not until it flipped over, dropping no more than 2 inches, and broke into 3 pieces. We had just bought the jar and lid 2 months ago at an antiques place in Maine.

About 30 minutes later I am in the garage to run the extension cord out to the driveway. I hear another *smash*. The decorative ceramic cup we had been using to scoop and refill clean cat litter fell off the ledge. When I told my wife she said, "I have had that cup since I was a kid." To which I replied, "Well, if it was so precious, you wouldn't have been using it for cat litter."

I didn't recall the sensation of touching the jar of olives to knock it over, or the pot holder being under the ceramic lid when I reached for it, or the extension cord touching or being near the ceramic cup to knock it off. Those just seem like my rationalizations after the fact.

It was a run of un-common luck ... or, if we are going to be completely truthful to ourselves, demons.

It was the ghost of Hottie's avatar.

 

[mike41703]

TMP and C$ have been on my ignore list for a long time. My OTF experience is completely different and more enjoyable, but #3 is the real reason this place isn't as fun as it use to be.

You are missing out.

Are there really that many people that use the ignore feature?

 

[burnthemallralphie]

"To which I replied, "Well, if it was so precious, you wouldn't have been using it for cat litter."

I laughed at this.

 

[burnthemallralphie]

I never use ignore. I just blurt things out in the new format so no one knows who I am talking about or too.

 

[crossfire74]

You are missing out.

Are there really that many people that use the ignore feature?

Idk, and I don't care but when you get followed from board to board by one the ignored posters with childish remarks that causes fights on other boards, then it's worth it to simply ignore their childish drunken attempts at life. If it were just here, I probably could deal with it better, but it's not and that ruins other boards.

 

[Rangeline Fan]

Idk, and I don't care but when you get followed from board to board by one the ignored posters with childish remarks that causes fights on other boards, then it's worth it to simply ignore their childish drunken attempts at life. If it were just here, I probably could deal with it better, but it's not and that ruins other boards.

Yeah....but you say stupid ass shit on other boards and they just call you out for it. If you can't handle that, quit posting stupid ass shit to be called out for.

 

[T.M.P.]

Idk, and I don't care but when you get followed from board to board by one the ignored posters with childish remarks that causes fights on other boards, then it's worth it to simply ignore their childish drunken attempts at life. If it were just here, I probably could deal with it better, but it's not and that ruins other boards.

 

[sluggo69]

Were there beans in the chili? Everybody knows a good chili has three or four different beans in it.

 

[VanPastorMan]

Top 3 threads....

1. Miserable Bears fans sword fighting with miserable Colts fans while a Patriots fan jerks off in corner

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2. Dead pets thread with everyone piling on with their own Old Yeller stories..

3. Faux police brutality or glorified Mall Cops gone wild...

We have become the Old Yeller of message boards. I wish Lafours would come and put a bullet in our head.
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I see what you are saying. But doesn't it have to do in part to people's expectation on what they want from a board? I come here to talk about non iu/political issues. If it's good it's good, if it's not then I go back to the other boards. The truth is you guys crack me up a lot. You have even made my sermons before so take a bow.

 

[IUecho87]

I see what you are saying. But doesn't it have to do in part to people's expectation on what they want from a board? I come here to talk about non iu/political issues. If it's good it's good, if it's not then I go back to the other boards. The truth is you guys crack me up a lot. You have even made my sermons before so take a bow.

Sweet.....I've never been a character in a fairy tale before.

Thanks for fulfilling that for me.

 

[VanPastorMan]

Sweet.....I've never been a character in a fairy tale before.

Thanks for fulfilling that for me.

I see. I go out of my way to encourage people that this place is not as bad and you take the opportunity to slam my heartfelt Christian faith. Gotcha!

 

[IUecho87]

I see. I go out of my way to encourage people that this place is not as bad and you take the opportunity to slam my heartfelt Christian faith. Gotcha!

Oh lighten up VPM......Zeus will help you find it in your heart to forgive me.....or maybe it's Mythra.....or perhaps Adonis?.....no wait, it's Baal.......damn, it could be Dionysis......

 

[VanPastorMan]

Oh lighten up VPM......Zeus will help you find it in your heart to forgive me.....or maybe it's Mythra.....or perhaps Adonis?.....no wait, it's Baal.......damn, it could be Dionysis......

It's Yahweh, whose Son died a sacrificial death for you. And what do you do? You make light of it. Sorry, but that doesn't fly with me. It's like you calling my mother a name and then telling me to just, "lighten up". Jesus means that much to me. Do you got it?

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

It's Yahweh, whose Son died a sacrificial death for you. And what do you do? You make light of it. Sorry, but that doesn't fly with me. It's like you calling my mother a name and then telling me to just, "lighten up". Jesus means that much to me. Do you got it?

I'm sure he gets it. But if you're genuinely offended by this, I'm not sure you "get" the OTF.

There are no sacred cows on this forum.

 

[T.M.P.]

I'm sure he gets it. But if you're genuinely offended by this, I'm not sure you "get" the OTF.

There are no sacred cows on this forum.

Sacred cows? I play this song every time I see my Hindu friend.. because it's funny.

I have more but they get slightly offensive. Especially the Jewish one, so I won't post it. No one cares about the hindus ..

 

[burnthemallralphie]

It's Yahweh, whose Son died a sacrificial death for you. And what do you do? You make light of it. Sorry, but that doesn't fly with me. It's like you calling my mother a name and then telling me to just, "lighten up". Jesus means that much to me. Do you got it?

You realize that Yoshua is at least the 7th deity to die on December 25th, was sacrificed for our sins, born of a virgin birth etc, correct?

You also have to realize that this is the AOTF. Everything is free game here. I respect your beliefs, but don't even think about turning the AOTF to your county courthouse displaying the 10 Commandments.

 

[Hoops Cat]

I'm sure he gets it. But if you're genuinely offended by this, I'm not sure you "get" the OTF.

There are no sacred cows on this forum.

Beer is sacred.

It is.

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

I'm sure he gets it. But if you're genuinely offended by this, I'm not sure you "get" the OTF.

There are no sacred cows on this forum.

That is anti-Hindu.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

You realize that Yoshua is at least the 7th deity to die on December 25th, was sacrificed for our sins, born of a virgin birth etc, correct?

You also have to realize that this is the AOTF. Everything is free game here. I respect your beliefs, but don't even think about turning the AOTF to your county courthouse displaying the 10 Commandments.

Please don't treat Bill Maher like a legitimate scholar.

 

[burnthemallralphie]

Please don't treat Bill Maher like a legitimate scholar.

I have no idea WTF you are on about.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

I have no idea WTF you are on about.

Your description of the Christ myth theory sounds like it came right of religulous.

 

[burnthemallralphie]

Your description of the Christ myth theory sounds like it came right of religulous.

Nope, I have read that it many places. I watched Religious, but that was 10 odd years ago. For the record, I ****ing hate Bill Maher's racist ass.

Not being snide, but feel free to educate me what I am wrong about. Synopsis on what I have learned: multiple deities share the same story as Christ. I was taught or read there were probably many more, but early Christians destroyed any references to those "deities."
The story followed the many trade routes and spread, mutated into the Christ aka Yoshua story.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Nope, I have read that it many places. I watched Religious, but that was 10 odd years ago. For the record, I ****ing hate Bill Maher's racist ass.

Not being snide, but feel free to educate me what I am wrong about. Synopsis on what I have learned: multiple deities share the same story as Christ. I was taught or read there were probably many more, but early Christians destroyed any references to those "deities."
The story followed the many trade routes and spread, mutated into the Christ aka Yoshua story.

Short version: claims that the Christ myth has been based on older deities have been around for a while, but they never stand up to scrutiny. Clearly the full Christian mythology as it developed owes some thanks to various other mythologies, including Greek and Zoroastrian. But the idea that there are a bunch of other gods that match up with Jesus on all these specific details is just hogwash, based on conjecture and misinterpretation. The history of myth simply isn't that neat and clean. Certain aspects of the Christ myth can be easily explained by reference to the actual situation of early Christians, without need to make conjectures about gods that might have existed, and without appeal to gods we know existed, but for whom we don't have evidence regarding the specific details. For example: it's true that death and rebirth is a common motif in many mythologies. It's probably a mythical universal. But the story of Jesus' resurrection was the direct result of a very specific event: he got killed, and his followers were not expecting it. The resurrection was how they explained his death. We don't need to suppose that maybe it had something to do with Mithra or Horus or whatever. The idea that a divine being could rise from the dead was readily accepted by everyone. They didn't need specific gods to prove it. It was common knowledge it could happen, so they decided that must be what happened to Jesus, because his death simply didn't fit in their worldview.

EDIT: Please note the fine line I'm drawing. I'm not saying the Christ myth was unique in any way. I'm just saying the idea that the Christians picked and chose from specific other gods is unfounded. They were just using the various explanations available to them at the time.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Not being snide

BTW, I was at our association bonfire tonight, typing on my phone. If I sounded short, it's not because I was being an ass, and only because I can't type on that f***ing thing.

 

[burnthemallralphie]

BTW, I was at our association bonfire tonight, typing on my phone. If I sounded short, it's not because I was being an ass, and only because I can't type on that f***ing thing.

No worries, I come across the same way on my shitty phone.

When time permits, feel free to suggest some literature about this. While I am sure you and TMP cover this topic a lot, I usually just troll the religious threads, or avoid. Sorry.

I'm in a reading mood for the fall.

 

[Hoops Cat]

No worries, I come across the same way on my shitty phone.

When time permits, feel free to suggest some literature about this. While I am sure you and TMP cover this topic a lot, I usually just troll the religious threads, or avoid. Sorry.

I'm in a reading mood for the fall.

Perhaps the two of you could meet up at an upcoming Association bonfire, and swap stories! Then, Goat could slip you some "literature" and you could "read" it!

That'd be Cool! TIA!

 

[Hoops Cat]

BTW, I was at our association bonfire tonight, typing on my phone. If I sounded short, it's not because I was being an ass, and only because I can't type on that f***ing thing.

Short version: claims that the Christ myth has been based on older deities have been around for a while, but they never stand up to scrutiny. Clearly the full Christian mythology as it developed owes some thanks to various other mythologies, including Greek and Zoroastrian. But the idea that there are a bunch of other gods that match up with Jesus on all these specific details is just hogwash, based on conjecture and misinterpretation. The history of myth simply isn't that neat and clean. Certain aspects of the Christ myth can be easily explained by reference to the actual situation of early Christians, without need to make conjectures about gods that might have existed, and without appeal to gods we know existed, but for whom we don't have evidence regarding the specific details. For example: it's true that death and rebirth is a common motif in many mythologies. It's probably a mythical universal. But the story of Jesus' resurrection was the direct result of a very specific event: he got killed, and his followers were not expecting it. The resurrection was how they explained his death. We don't need to suppose that maybe it had something to do with Mithra or Horus or whatever. The idea that a divine being could rise from the dead was readily accepted by everyone. They didn't need specific gods to prove it. It was common knowledge it could happen, so they decided that must be what happened to Jesus, because his death simply didn't fit in their worldview.

EDIT: Please note the fine line I'm drawing. I'm not saying the Christ myth was unique in any way. I'm just saying the idea that the Christians picked and chose from specific other gods is unfounded. They were just using the various explanations available to them at the time.

This is what you were casually typing at an Association bonfire? We need to talk.

 

[PhishPhan682]

did we discuss VPM and his butthurt yet today?

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

No worries, I come across the same way on my shitty phone.

When time permits, feel free to suggest some literature about this. While I am sure you and TMP cover this topic a lot, I usually just troll the religious threads, or avoid. Sorry.

I'm in a reading mood for the fall.

I recommend anything by Bart Ehrman. He's one of the leading NT scholars, and does a good job of explaining the way historians try to find the historical roots of the Jesus stories.

 

[burnthemallralphie]

Perhaps the two of you could meet up at an upcoming Association bonfire, and swap stories! Then, Goat could slip you some "literature" and you could "read" it!

That'd be Cool! TIA!

Here is the photo he sent me from his "bonfire":

 

[VanPastorMan]

Short version: claims that the Christ myth has been based on older deities have been around for a while, but they never stand up to scrutiny. Clearly the full Christian mythology as it developed owes some thanks to various other mythologies, including Greek and Zoroastrian. But the idea that there are a bunch of other gods that match up with Jesus on all these specific details is just hogwash, based on conjecture and misinterpretation. The history of myth simply isn't that neat and clean. Certain aspects of the Christ myth can be easily explained by reference to the actual situation of early Christians, without need to make conjectures about gods that might have existed, and without appeal to gods we know existed, but for whom we don't have evidence regarding the specific details. For example: it's true that death and rebirth is a common motif in many mythologies. It's probably a mythical universal. But the story of Jesus' resurrection was the direct result of a very specific event: he got killed, and his followers were not expecting it. The resurrection was how they explained his death. We don't need to suppose that maybe it had something to do with Mithra or Horus or whatever. The idea that a divine being could rise from the dead was readily accepted by everyone. They didn't need specific gods to prove it. It was common knowledge it could happen, so they decided that must be what happened to Jesus, because his death simply didn't fit in their worldview.

EDIT: Please note the fine line I'm drawing. I'm not saying the Christ myth was unique in any way. I'm just saying the idea that the Christians picked and chose from specific other gods is unfounded. They were just using the various explanations available to them at the time.

I would make the argument that any similarities to the Christian faith of the chosen one,which usually is where those stories end up as, came from the original in Genesis 3:15. The doctrine of the seed of the woman would have been present during the days of Noah and would have continued with his children after the flood. Nimrod is a fascinating person to study concerning this idea. He was so revered since he built what later became known as the city states of Nineveh and Babylon. His followers said he died and would reborn, hence come back to life again. So Nimrod became a godlike figure. Where did they get these ideas? I believe it came from the original doctrine of the seed of the woman in Gen 3:15. Obviously the story would have had to be perverted over time. Luke's genealogy takes Jesus back through the patriarchs and ends with Adam? Why? It's because Jesus is connected to Adam, hence human, hence the seed of the woman

 

[VanPastorMan]

I'm sure he gets it. But if you're genuinely offended by this, I'm not sure you "get" the OTF.

There are no sacred cows on this forum.

I understand jabbing. But doesn't it have to be in context? Can you just jab somebody out of the blue? Where is the fun in that? Whenever I bring my daughters up. Somebody asks for pics. Sure, I get that. It would be funny because I ran into that one. But out of the blue jabs at my faith in Christ? Why should this be ok? What if somebody said they hated gays ie Capital Hoosier? Would it be alright for them to do it just because they are on the AOTF?

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

I would make the argument that any similarities to the Christian faith of the chosen one,which usually is where those stories end up as, came from the original in Genesis 3:15. The doctrine of the seed of the woman would have been present during the days of Noah and would have continued with his children after the flood. Nimrod is a fascinating person to study concerning this idea. He was so revered since he built what later became known as the city states of Nineveh and Babylon. His followers said he died and would reborn, hence come back to life again. So Nimrod became a godlike figure. Where did they get these ideas? I believe it came from the original doctrine of the seed of the woman in Gen 3:15. Obviously the story would have had to be perverted over time. Luke's genealogy takes Jesus back through the patriarchs and ends with Adam? Why? It's because Jesus is connected to Adam, hence human, hence the seed of the woman

Adam and Eve weren't real people.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

I understand jabbing. But doesn't it have to be in context? Can you just jab somebody out of the blue? Where is the fun in that? Whenever I bring my daughters up. Somebody asks for pics. Sure, I get that. It would be funny because I ran into that one. But out of the blue jabs at my faith in Christ? Why should this be ok? What if somebody said they hated gays ie Capital Hoosier? Would it be alright for them to do it just because they are on the AOTF?

Ummm. It was in direct response to your reference to using the OTF in your sermons. I'd call that "in context."

 

[VanPastorMan]

Ummm. It was in direct response to your reference to using the OTF in your sermons. I'd call that "in context."

I still see it as out of the blue because I was saying something nice about you guys. I even told some of the folks at the church when you passed the bar. For crying out loud it doesn't pay to be nice around here.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

I still see it as out of the blue because I was saying something nice about you guys. I even told some of the folks at the church when you passed the bar. For crying out loud it doesn't pay to be nice around here.

Like I said, you don't "get" it.