This isn’t a pledge for or against Woodson

[HurryinHoosiers]

I’m not campaigning for or against Woodson with this post. I’ll keep that opinion to myself in order to focus on the reality of him restraining his position.
There might not be a choice other than modifying the retirement. If IU makes it to an elite 8 or better, and they could the way they are starting to prime. But let’s assume they do for the sake of putting a reality to the question of Woodson being retained back as head coach.
One thing would be certain. No coach anywhere would touch the job if an elite 8 wasn’t acceptable to retain your job. Regardless of the way it’s played out or not. IU would have no choice but to resend the retirement offer. And honestly, if an elite 8 isn’t enough to get support from its fans, then this fanbase is eternally doomed. No coach from anyone’s list of great replacements would consider sabotaging their own careers to try and please an unappeasable audience.

 

[BBallDad02]

There is nothing to worry about here. While IU has been good lately, nothing points to the fact that this team could make it even close to an Elite 8. We are probably looking at a 10-10 Big finish, to go along with similar finishes the last 3 years. Lots of things have to go right to get that far. Bigfoot can’t get us there.

 

[asindc]

I’m not campaigning for or against Woodson with this post. I’ll keep that opinion to myself in order to focus on the reality of him restraining his position.
There might not be a choice other than modifying the retirement. If IU makes it to an elite 8 or better, and they could the way they are starting to prime. But let’s assume they do for the sake of putting a reality to the question of Woodson being retained back as head coach.
One thing would be certain. No coach anywhere would touch the job if an elite 8 wasn’t acceptable to retain your job. Regardless of the way it’s played out or not. IU would have no choice but to resend the retirement offer. And honestly, if an elite 8 isn’t enough to get support from its fans, then this fanbase is eternally doomed. No coach from anyone’s list of great replacements would consider sabotaging their own careers to try and please an unappeasable audience.

Even if IU wins the whole thing, it’s simply not happening. IU will have a new coach next season.

 

[Spirito76]

This is all very hypothetical but assuming IU does get to the E8, the coach is not being terminated for his performance at that point. He already announced he's retiring. It should not impact any potential coaching hire which might already be in place or could be in place at E8 time. Had there been no retirement announcement and a good tourney run and firing happened then there could be an issue. Or, since we're being hypothetical, if IU gets to the E8 and the coach decides to rescend his retirement, it could be quite a scheit-storm.

 

[82hoosier]

I’m not campaigning for or against Woodson with this post. I’ll keep that opinion to myself in order to focus on the reality of him restraining his position.
There might not be a choice other than modifying the retirement. If IU makes it to an elite 8 or better, and they could the way they are starting to prime. But let’s assume they do for the sake of putting a reality to the question of Woodson being retained back as head coach.
One thing would be certain. No coach anywhere would touch the job if an elite 8 wasn’t acceptable to retain your job. Regardless of the way it’s played out or not. IU would have no choice but to resend the retirement offer. And honestly, if an elite 8 isn’t enough to get support from its fans, then this fanbase is eternally doomed. No coach from anyone’s list of great replacements would consider sabotaging their own careers to try and please an unappeasable audience.

Ask Mike Davis for his opinion.

 

[HurryinHoosiers]

This is all very hypothetical but assuming IU does get to the E8, the coach is not being terminated for his performance at that point. He already announced he's retiring. It should not impact any potential coaching hire which might already be in place or could be in place at E8 time. Had there been no retirement announcement and a good tourney run and firing happened then there could be an issue. Or, since we're being hypothetical, if IU gets to the E8 and the coach decides to rescend his retirement, it could be quite a scheit-storm.

Well said.

 

[GeorgeStrait IU]

There is nothing to worry about here. While IU has been good lately, nothing points to the fact that this team could make it even close to an Elite 8. We are probably looking at a 10-10 Big finish, to go along with similar finishes the last 3 years. Lots of things have to go right to get that far. Bigfoot can’t get us there.

I mean.. Yeah.. Purdue win at home was nice but squeaking out a win at home vs PSU (Reneau out) and winning on the road at the worst team in the conference has people drinking the kool aid. Not saying the OP is, but we have to remember who our starting perimiter is and who our coach is. Finishing 1-1 to end the conference season is the goal right now.

 

[Kyser123]

Not accurate - the money and guarantees coaches get now , along with IU NIL, they’ll still come.

 

[CriticArisen]

Not accurate - the money and guarantees coaches get now , along with IU NIL, they’ll still come.

and go.

 

[frikkenfrakken]

I don't think we should fire coaches based on tournament results, and I don't think we should retain them based on tournament results.

It's done. He's retiring. If you're interviewing candidates and someone asks why you retired a coach that went to the E8, you respond by saying "We didn't let him go because the E8 isn't good enough. We let him go because over 4 years he was about .500 in conference play. We care way more about that than about what happened over 3 games in 8 days in March."

 

[IUgradman]

Let’s be honest: Woodson didn’t retire. He was fired. IU spun the retirement story to let Woodson save face.

 

[Chicago-bound Hoosier]

Two wins against the conf bottom dwellers and we’re talking elite 8 and reversing course. How soon we forget the embarrassments against Auburn, Lvillle, Wisky, mighty Northwestern, mightier Iowa, St Mary’s , Arizona, Miami, should I keep going? Oh… and being owned by college bball powerhouse Nebraska.
We need a HC who can do more with $6M NIL that be a perennial bubble team and lower mid tier conference team.

 

[CriticArisen]

We hit the trifecta in NET rankings today

IU-54
Northwestern-55
Nebraska-56

We are crushing North Texas at 57.

Only nine conference teams above us.

 

[Willdog7]

This is all very hypothetical but assuming IU does get to the E8, the coach is not being terminated for his performance at that point. He already announced he's retiring. It should not impact any potential coaching hire which might already be in place or could be in place at E8 time. Had there been no retirement announcement and a good tourney run and firing happened then there could be an issue. Or, since we're being hypothetical, if IU gets to the E8 and the coach decides to rescend his retirement, it could be quite a scheit-storm.

Some fans are never satisfied.

 

[Chicago-bound Hoosier]

Some fans are never satisfied.

Weak. Pathetically weak.
You were silent while we lost 7 of 8, with several ass whippings, and tanked the season, so you have no credibility left.

Our NIL investment should not produce a
9th place conf finish and another ride on the bubble.

My avatar is literally in your honor.

 

[ge-off]

I’m not campaigning for or against Woodson with this post. I’ll keep that opinion to myself in order to focus on the reality of him restraining his position.
There might not be a choice other than modifying the retirement. If IU makes it to an elite 8 or better, and they could the way they are starting to prime. But let’s assume they do for the sake of putting a reality to the question of Woodson being retained back as head coach.
One thing would be certain. No coach anywhere would touch the job if an elite 8 wasn’t acceptable to retain your job. Regardless of the way it’s played out or not. IU would have no choice but to resend the retirement offer. And honestly, if an elite 8 isn’t enough to get support from its fans, then this fanbase is eternally doomed. No coach from anyone’s list of great replacements would consider sabotaging their own careers to try and please an unappeasable audience.

Wow - Lets re-cap these last 4 straight wins:

Washington - TERRIBLE
PSU - Barely beat them at home! they are a bottom feeder that will not even be in the conf tournament!
Beat Purdue! Great win! But they are middle of the pack and only like 2 games better than IU record wise
Beat MSU - GREAT WIN!!

Prior to Purdue- -this team lost 4 straight HOME games!!! - Lets all gather tomorrow after Oregon and see if this team is real. A win tonight, I will be more convinced this group can make the dance and win a game or two - a loss, especially a bad loss, and well.

 

[Warison]

You people don’t get it. IU needs to make the final four then hire a D2 coach. Only way.

 

[abraxis]

Ask Mike Davis for his opinion.

Mike Davis has gone on to have such an illustrious career since taking IU to the championship game. Maybe we should give him another shot while he's still hot.

 

[ButHerEmails]

Let’s be honest: Woodson didn’t retire. He was fired. IU spun the retirement story to let Woodson save face.

Either way, the official story is “retired”. Just ask all the people who want Beard. Doesn’t matter if he actually beat the shit out of a woman. The official story is “he was never charged”.

 

[CriticArisen]

Weak. Pathetically weak.
You were silent while we lost 7 of 8, with several ass whippings, and tanked the season, so you have no credibility left.

Our NIL investment should not produce a
9th place conf finish and another ride on the bubble.

My avatar is literally in your honor.

Every time I look at your avatar that song starts spinning in my head. Your avatar is a dangerous mind virus.

 

[VanPastorMan]

Weak. Pathetically weak.
You were silent while we lost 7 of 8, with several ass whippings, and tanked the season, so you have no credibility left.

Our NIL investment should not produce a
9th place conf finish and another ride on the bubble.

My avatar is literally in your honor.

NIL doesn't mean you are picking the right players who will play well together. You can't buy heart. You can't buy basketball intelligence. I think this is what we have seen in our lived experience the last few years.

 

[Crossblock]

This is all very hypothetical but assuming IU does get to the E8, the coach is not being terminated for his performance at that point. He already announced he's retiring. It should not impact any potential coaching hire which might already be in place or could be in place at E8 time. Had there been no retirement announcement and a good tourney run and firing happened then there could be an issue. Or, since we're being hypothetical, if IU gets to the E8 and the coach decides to rescend his retirement, it could be quite a scheit-storm.

Let's face it. Woodson was given the choice of Coaching the rest of the Season and retiring at year end or being fired. It gave Woodson the ability to make a graceful exit rather than go through the embarrassment of being fired. Maybe They gave Him a bit of a financial sweetener to do things the easy way and not go through the drama queen angst.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Ask Mike Davis for his opinion.

Mike Davis is the nightmare scenario for this situation......

I attended the Duke game in Louisville in 2002. Everyone was going crazy during the game and after but in the back of my mind I was like "This means we have Mike Davis for a few more years..." which was bad news. Everyone who knew anything about basketball also knew our success was smoke and mirrors which, ironically, was what was so much fun about that situation. It was the inverse of Cig's success this year. '24 football was because of fantastic coaching; '02 basketball was in spite of the coaching.

Then in the FF Davis ruined the vibe by first going on and on about how much he was underpaid, and then losing the game by going to a full court press when we grabbed the lead with 5 minutes left, even though we never pressed and Coverdale had a bum ankle. Maryland hits a transition 3 and the game is lost.....When I saw that I gave up any doubt over whether we were screwed going forward.

I don't want a repeat of the Davis situation. As a fan I could never forgive retaining him, although I understand that if he got to the FF it would be difficult to dump him if he put up a fight. Anything short of a FF would be unforgivably weak-kneed.

 

[kurt cloverdales]

NIL doesn't mean you are picking the right players who will play well together. You can't buy heart. You can't buy basketball intelligence. I think this is what we have seen in our lived experience the last few years.

you can't buy intelligence?

 

[kurt cloverdales]

Mike Davis is the nightmare scenario for this situation......

I attended the Duke game in Louisville in 2002. Everyone was going crazy during the game and after but in the back of my mind I was like "This means we have Mike Davis for a few more years..." which was bad news. Everyone who knew anything about basketball also knew our success was smoke and mirrors which, ironically, was what was so much fun about that situation. It was the inverse of Cig's success this year. '24 football was because of fantastic coaching; '02 basketball was in spite of the coaching.

Then in the FF Davis ruined the vibe by first going on and on about how much he was underpaid, and then losing the game by going to a full court press when we grabbed the lead with 5 minutes left, even though we never pressed and Coverdale had a bum ankle. Maryland hits a transition 3 and the game is lost.....When I saw that I gave up any doubt over whether we were screwed going forward.

I don't want a repeat of the Davis situation. As a fan I could never forgive retaining him, although I understand that if he got to the FF it would be difficult to dump him if he put up a fight. Anything short of a FF would be unforgivably weak-kneed.

trealor coached that team, his downfall was when he started believing the press clippings

 

[ANOTHERBANNERYEAR]

Either way, the official story is “retired”. Just ask all the people who want Beard. Doesn’t matter if he actually beat the shit out of a woman. The official story is “he was never charged”.

I’m thinking your profile banner should have been ButtHurtEmails.

 

[kkott]

I’m thinking your profile banner should have been ButtHurtEmails.

It's not? You sure?

 

[mohoosier]

Mike Davis is the nightmare scenario for this situation......

I attended the Duke game in Louisville in 2002. Everyone was going crazy during the game and after but in the back of my mind I was like "This means we have Mike Davis for a few more years..." which was bad news. Everyone who knew anything about basketball also knew our success was smoke and mirrors which, ironically, was what was so much fun about that situation. It was the inverse of Cig's success this year. '24 football was because of fantastic coaching; '02 basketball was in spite of the coaching.

Then in the FF Davis ruined the vibe by first going on and on about how much he was underpaid, and then losing the game by going to a full court press when we grabbed the lead with 5 minutes left, even though we never pressed and Coverdale had a bum ankle. Maryland hits a transition 3 and the game is lost.....When I saw that I gave up any doubt over whether we were screwed going forward.

I don't want a repeat of the Davis situation. As a fan I could never forgive retaining him, although I understand that if he got to the FF it would be difficult to dump him if he put up a fight. Anything short of a FF would be unforgivably weak-kneed.

Game was in Lexington, Rupp Arena. But you knew that, cause you were there 😉

Watched it at Ozzie’s Sports Bar in StL. Craziest environment I’ve ever been in outside of being at the actual venue.

 

[Seyton]

Either way, the official story is “retired”. Just ask all the people who want Beard. Doesn’t matter if he actually beat the shit out of a woman. The official story is “he was never charged”.

Hyperbole.

 

[Seyton]

NIL doesn't mean you are picking the right players who will play well together. You can't buy heart. You can't buy basketball intelligence. I think this is what we have seen in our lived experience the last few years.

That's what scouting is for. And it's one of the bigger indictments on Woodson in my opinion.

 

[Seyton]

Mike Davis is the nightmare scenario for this situation......

I attended the Duke game in Louisville in 2002. Everyone was going crazy during the game and after but in the back of my mind I was like "This means we have Mike Davis for a few more years..." which was bad news. Everyone who knew anything about basketball also knew our success was smoke and mirrors which, ironically, was what was so much fun about that situation. It was the inverse of Cig's success this year. '24 football was because of fantastic coaching; '02 basketball was in spite of the coaching.

Then in the FF Davis ruined the vibe by first going on and on about how much he was underpaid, and then losing the game by going to a full court press when we grabbed the lead with 5 minutes left, even though we never pressed and Coverdale had a bum ankle. Maryland hits a transition 3 and the game is lost.....When I saw that I gave up any doubt over whether we were screwed going forward.

I don't want a repeat of the Davis situation. As a fan I could never forgive retaining him, although I understand that if he got to the FF it would be difficult to dump him if he put up a fight. Anything short of a FF would be unforgivably weak-kneed.

As soon as the ball went through the hoop everyone was disorganized. Newton was pressing the inbounds - they broke it like it wasn't even there and Francis hits a three within seconds. We never scored again I don't think.

 

[Chicago-bound Hoosier]

I

trealor coached that team, his downfall was when he started believing the press clippings

I thought his downfall was when he ok'd Bracey shooting FTs from 17 1/2 feet.

Can we run "Orlando!" one more time...for old times' sake?

but yeah, 2002 is a perfect example of short-term success that screwed us for the next half decade. And then much longer.

 

[mohoosier]

That's what scouting is for. And it's one of the bigger indictments on Woodson in my opinion.

“How Not To Assemble a Roster”…Tom Crean

Woody wrote the sequel:

“Cash Baby, All You Need is Cash”

 

[RowdyHoosier]

I did not watch the MSU game or most of the Purdue game. I take it we played like total crap in the first half against Purdue, then got some turnovers in the second half and ratcheted up the D. I did watch the PSU and Washington games. Against PSU, we tried several times to give that game away. Galloway hit 3 three point shots in a 2 min span or we would never even had the lead to start with. Not a very convincing win in my book. Allowed too many back-door cuts for easy baskets, missed too many FTs. You know, fundamental things. Washington is just a bad team an we should have beaten them by 18 points. We will probably squeak into the tournament but I don't see an E8 run happening. Probably get blown out by a team on our own level who gets hot and doesn't miss FTs or give up easy buckets.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Game was in Lexington, Rupp Arena. But you knew that, cause you were there 😉

Watched it at Ozzie’s Sports Bar in StL. Craziest environment I’ve ever been in outside of being at the actual venue.

My bad, it was in Lexington. I was there with my son. Pretty high in the rafters, but the action at the end was on our end.

I did see IU a couple of times at FH in Louisville back in the day when we played UK there....

 

[UTFO]

I’m not campaigning for or against Woodson with this post. I’ll keep that opinion to myself in order to focus on the reality of him restraining his position.
There might not be a choice other than modifying the retirement. If IU makes it to an elite 8 or better, and they could the way they are starting to prime. But let’s assume they do for the sake of putting a reality to the question of Woodson being retained back as head coach.
One thing would be certain. No coach anywhere would touch the job if an elite 8 wasn’t acceptable to retain your job. Regardless of the way it’s played out or not. IU would have no choice but to resend the retirement offer. And honestly, if an elite 8 isn’t enough to get support from its fans, then this fanbase is eternally doomed. No coach from anyone’s list of great replacements would consider sabotaging their own careers to try and please an unappeasable audience.

He retired. And on that date, the whole coaching world knew Woodson was done.

I don't think any real coach would expect IU to undo things for Woodson just b/c of a tourney run.

And let's not forget: it took the man announcing his retirement to finally get the team to start playing well.

 

[.Gerdis]

Weak. Pathetically weak.
You were silent while we lost 7 of 8, with several ass whippings, and tanked the season, so you have no credibility left.

Our NIL investment should not produce a
9th place conf finish and another ride on the bubble.

My avatar is literally in your honor.

Come on. I get no credit for the avatar? I got that song stuck in my brain again, not to mention visions of the Mad magazines I collected in the secret hideout i had in my parents basement. Wasn’t that one of your old avatars?

 

[edub72]

IU beat 2 bad teams. Good win vs Purdue and likely an anomaly vs Michigan State. I have a feeling we get beat in the play in game or don’t make tournament

 

[bailey777]

There is nothing to worry about here. While IU has been good lately, nothing points to the fact that this team could make it even close to an Elite 8. We are probably looking at a 10-10 Big finish, to go along with similar finishes the last 3 years. Lots of things have to go right to get that far. Bigfoot can’t get us there.

It's comical we beat two bad teams and people are talking elite 8. Woodson would have to beat teams like Houston or auburn to make an elite 8. Not happening.

 

[Hatchets7times]

I’m not campaigning for or against Woodson with this post. I’ll keep that opinion to myself in order to focus on the reality of him restraining his position.
There might not be a choice other than modifying the retirement. If IU makes it to an elite 8 or better, and they could the way they are starting to prime. But let’s assume they do for the sake of putting a reality to the question of Woodson being retained back as head coach.
One thing would be certain. No coach anywhere would touch the job if an elite 8 wasn’t acceptable to retain your job. Regardless of the way it’s played out or not. IU would have no choice but to resend the retirement offer. And honestly, if an elite 8 isn’t enough to get support from its fans, then this fanbase is eternally doomed. No coach from anyone’s list of great replacements would consider sabotaging their own careers to try and please an unappeasable audience.

Elite 8..
Huh..
Crazy talk..That's all I got.
It's borderline we even still get in
I'm trying to be respectful..
New coach ..Brings new energy and enthusiasm to the program.