The Draft Was "Authentic" - Justice Roberts

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

I don't much care if Roe is overturned or sustained. But this leak is unacceptable and much more of an attack on democracy than the January 6 riots.

My initial over-reaction is that this person is another Julius and Ethyl Rosenberg and/or Assange/Snowden, overruling a whole society/population and taking the wrong things into their own wrong hands.

I hope they go to jail.

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

I’m afraid the damage is probably already done.

And it absolutely is an attack on our democracy.

 

[cosmickid]

I don't much care if Roe is overturned or sustained. But this leak is unacceptable and much more of an attack on democracy than the January 6 riots.

My initial over-reaction is that this person is another Julius and Ethyl Rosenberg and/or Assange/Snowden, overruling a whole society/population and taking the wrong things into their own wrong hands.

I hope they go to jail.

"But this leak is unacceptable and much more of an attack on democracy than the January 6 riots."

Ok. Post all the videos of the culprit beating cops with sticks, spraying them with bear spray and tear gas and crapping on the floors of SCOTUS., and let us judge for ourselves... Extra credit if you can provide videos of people stealing stuff from Thomas and Alioto's chambers, while the black garbed justices are being hustled away for their own safety.

 

[cosmickid]

I’m afraid the damage is probably already done.

And it absolutely is an attack on our democracy.

I think roughly 50% of the country might describe this rigged SCOTUS as an assault on Democracy. The SCOTUS was already at a record low 40% approval rating in Sept, and with subsequent decisions I'm guessing a current ranking would even be significantly lower...

Approval of U.S. Supreme Court Down to 40%, a New Low

Forty percent of Americans approve of the job the U.S. Supreme Court is doing, down nine points since July and a new low approval rating in Gallup's trend.

news.gallup.com

 

[UncleMark]

The selective outrage here is a wonder to behold.

 

[Indianaftw]

"But this leak is unacceptable and much more of an attack on democracy than the January 6 riots."

Ok. Post all the videos of the culprit beating cops with sticks, spraying them with bear spray and tear gas and crapping on the floors of SCOTUS., and let us judge for ourselves... Extra credit if you can provide videos of people stealing stuff from Thomas and Alioto's chambers, while the black garbed justices are being hustled away for their own safety.

LMAO you mean the "fbi msm version" video's they crammed down your throat and you consumed. AND don't come back with some long winded post I won't read any of your sources they are all compromised.

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

I think roughly 50% of the country might describe this rigged SCOTUS as an assault on Democracy. The SCOTUS was already at a record low 40% approval rating in Sept, and with subsequent decisions I'm guessing a current ranking would even be significantly lower...

Approval of U.S. Supreme Court Down to 40%, a New Low

Forty percent of Americans approve of the job the U.S. Supreme Court is doing, down nine points since July and a new low approval rating in Gallup's trend.

news.gallup.com

Lol @ scotus is “rigged”. That’s a busted tired talking point. There was nothing illegal or, arguably even immoral about the way it’s current makeup was formed.

There are people who think the 2020 election was stolen. Bidens popularity is even worse than the scotus. Using your logic, we might consider Biden illegitimate.

 

[jet812]

I think roughly 50% of the country might describe this rigged SCOTUS as an assault on Democracy. The SCOTUS was already at a record low 40% approval rating in Sept, and with subsequent decisions I'm guessing a current ranking would even be significantly lower...

Approval of U.S. Supreme Court Down to 40%, a New Low

Forty percent of Americans approve of the job the U.S. Supreme Court is doing, down nine points since July and a new low approval rating in Gallup's trend.

news.gallup.com

I take it that given your POTUS’ ratings are even lower you question the validity of him holding office too then?

 

[jet812]

"But this leak is unacceptable and much more of an attack on democracy than the January 6 riots."

Ok. Post all the videos of the culprit beating cops with sticks, spraying them with bear spray and tear gas and crapping on the floors of SCOTUS., and let us judge for ourselves... Extra credit if you can provide videos of people stealing stuff from Thomas and Alioto's chambers, while the black garbed justices are being hustled away for their own safety.

Small minded & myopic view you have there.

 

[TMFT]

While certainly unbecoming of the SCOTUS, is leaking a draft opinion remotely a crime?

I think it was Laura Ingraham last night talking about how the FBI should seize phones of law clerks to figure out who it was. Now I'm just a simple country lawyer, but the irony of a blatantly illegal search & seizure to investigate a non-crime is palpable.

 

[mcmurtry66]

While certainly unbecoming of the SCOTUS, is leaking a draft opinion remotely a crime?

I think it was Laura Ingraham last night talking about how the FBI should seize phones of law clerks to figure out who it was. Now I'm just a simple country lawyer, but the irony of a blatantly illegal search & seizure to investigate a non-crime is palpable.

Do you use that line in trials? "Now I'm just a simple country lawyer..." It's pretty great

 

[Cortez88]

This is bad and is a huge ethical breach, to say the least. The leaker should be punished as appropriate.

But worse than Jan 6? Ain’t no way. They aren’t in the same universe.

 

[mrhighlife]

Do you use that line in trials? "Now I'm just a simple country lawyer..." It's pretty great

I think he stole it from SNL. Old Phil Hartman bit. Except he was an unfrozen caveman lawyer.

 

[Ladoga]

While certainly unbecoming of the SCOTUS, is leaking a draft opinion remotely a crime?

I think it was Laura Ingraham last night talking about how the FBI should seize phones of law clerks to figure out who it was. Now I'm just a simple country lawyer, but the irony of a blatantly illegal search & seizure to investigate a non-crime is palpable.

If the conduct of obtaining and leaking a draft opinion under discussion in the court turns out to be oh, say, 3 felonies as described by knowledgeable analysts - some with clerk experience themselves, would you then support the issuance of search warrants to aid in the investigation of such crime? There are severeal crimes involved here.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I think he stole it from SNL. Old Phil Hartman bit. Except he was an unfrozen caveman lawyer.

Exactly what came to mind

 

[IUclover]

I’m afraid the damage is probably already done.

And it absolutely is an attack on our democracy.

Was the leak illegal?

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Was the leak illegal?

That appears unknown. But I am sure they had to sign some confidentiality agreements. At a minimum they can lose their job (assuming it isn't a Justice).

Is Leaking a Supreme Court Opinion a Crime? The Law Is Far From Clear

The leak of a draft opinion overturning ‘Roe v. Wade’ quickly sparked a court investigation. Which laws may have been violated, if any, remains uncertain.

www.wired.com

 

[mrhighlife]

I don't much care if Roe is overturned or sustained. But this leak is unacceptable and much more of an attack on democracy than the January 6 riots.

My initial over-reaction is that this person is another Julius and Ethyl Rosenberg and/or Assange/Snowden, overruling a whole society/population and taking the wrong things into their own wrong hands.

I hope they go to jail.

Wow this is one steaming pile of hot take garbage if I've ever seen it.

The leak is certainly unethical. Whomever did it should be fired. Disbarred. Held accountable. However, Not enough details to even remotely surmise any legal ramifications. What if Alito himself leaked it? Which is a very good possibility. What then? You want him jailed?

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

Was the leak illegal?

I don’t know the answer to that for sure, but one would have to think the internal documents of the highest court in the land would be classified in some way.

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

This is bad and is a huge ethical breach, to say the least. The leaker should be punished as appropriate.

But worse than Jan 6? Ain’t no way. They aren’t in the same universe.

It isn’t worse than Jan 6th but it’s still pretty serious, in my opinion.

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

I think he stole it from SNL. Old Phil Hartman bit. Except he was an unfrozen caveman lawyer.

It’s stolen from Sen. Sam Ervin, D - NC. He liked to pull a copy of the Constitution out of his vest pocket. Despite his defense of segregation and Jim Crow, he was a hero for his role in prosecuting Watergate. And despite the claimed famed Southern Strategy, he died a Democrat.

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

Wow this is one steaming pile of hot take garbage if I've ever seen it.

The leak is certainly unethical. Whomever did it should be fired. Disbarred. Held accountable. However, Not enough details to even remotely surmise any legal ramifications. What if Alito himself leaked it? Which is a very good possibility. What then? You want him jailed?

I’m fairly certain it wasn’t one of the justices themselves. Alito has been on the court for 16 years. Why would he wait until now to do this?

It was someone who worked for one of them.

 

[outside shooter]

Unethical, sure, but it's just laughable, the take that this leak is somehow worse than the firing upon Fort Sumpter,Lincoln's assassination, Pearl Harbor, 9/11, and the insurrection, all rolled into one.

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

Unethical, sure, but it's just laughable, the take that this leak is somehow worse than the firing upon Fort Sumpter,Lincoln's assassination, Pearl Harbor, 9/11, and the insurrection, all rolled into one.

Well then, it’s a good thing no one is saying that.

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

Wow this is one steaming pile of hot take garbage if I've ever seen it.

The leak is certainly unethical. Whomever did it should be fired. Disbarred. Held accountable. However, Not enough details to even remotely surmise any legal ramifications. What if Alito himself leaked it? Which is a very good possibility. What then? You want him jailed?

Yes.

But don’t kid yourself. Alito didn’t do this. In fact, I’ll be shocked if it is a Justice. They understand the value of the process better than clerks. It will be an ill-educated, amoral Social Justice Warrior. Start with the Yale grads. They usually smell the worst.

 

[Hoosier in Mad Town]

While certainly unbecoming of the SCOTUS, is leaking a draft opinion remotely a crime?

I think it was Laura Ingraham last night talking about how the FBI should seize phones of law clerks to figure out who it was. Now I'm just a simple country lawyer, but the irony of a blatantly illegal search & seizure to investigate a non-crime is palpable.

It is actually a crime: obstruction of justice.

Please educate yourself.

 

[outside shooter]

Well then, it’s a good thing no one is saying that.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

"But this leak is unacceptable and much more of an attack on democracy than the January 6 riots."

Ok. Post all the videos of the culprit beating cops with sticks, spraying them with bear spray and tear gas and crapping on the floors of SCOTUS., and let us judge for ourselves... Extra credit if you can provide videos of people stealing stuff from Thomas and Alioto's chambers, while the black garbed justices are being hustled away for their own safety.

This is bad and is a huge ethical breach, to say the least. The leaker should be punished as appropriate.

But worse than Jan 6? Ain’t no way. They aren’t in the same universe.

January 6 was done by dinner time. This broke a barrier that will last forever.

 

[Cortez88]

It isn’t worse than Jan 6th but it’s still pretty serious, in my opinion.

I’m not downplaying the seriousness of the leak. I’m pointing out the unseriousness of the OP.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

I don't much care if Roe is overturned or sustained. But this leak is unacceptable and much more of an attack on democracy than the January 6 riots.

My initial over-reaction is that this person is another Julius and Ethyl Rosenberg and/or Assange/Snowden, overruling a whole society/population and taking the wrong things into their own wrong hands.

I hope they go to jail.

We can expect more of the same. Legal education these days is not about the law, but about the cause. Yale law took a club to freedom of speech a few weeks ago for the sake of the cause. The leaker probably believes she did the right thing. We can now probably expect more leaks with other flash point cases like death penalties, education and more. For the left, our institutions mean zilch. The cause is most important.

 

[Zeester]

I think roughly 50% of the country might describe this rigged SCOTUS as an assault on Democracy. The SCOTUS was already at a record low 40% approval rating in Sept, and with subsequent decisions I'm guessing a current ranking would even be significantly lower...

Approval of U.S. Supreme Court Down to 40%, a New Low

Forty percent of Americans approve of the job the U.S. Supreme Court is doing, down nine points since July and a new low approval rating in Gallup's trend.

news.gallup.com

40% - lot better than any Democrat. The leak is not good for the country and should be handled urgently.

 

[Zeester]

While certainly unbecoming of the SCOTUS, is leaking a draft opinion remotely a crime?

I think it was Laura Ingraham last night talking about how the FBI should seize phones of law clerks to figure out who it was. Now I'm just a simple country lawyer, but the irony of a blatantly illegal search & seizure to investigate a non-crime is palpable.

Yes it is a crime.

 

[IUclover]

Yes it is a crime.

Leak? I mean link?

 

[mrhighlife]

I’m fairly certain it wasn’t one of the justices themselves. Alito has been on the court for 16 years. Why would he wait until now to do this?

It was someone who worked for one of them.

who knows man. Just as likely as some young lawyer risking disbarment?

I clearly am not a lawyer. I don't know shit about f--- about any of this.

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

I’m afraid the damage is probably already done.

And it absolutely is an attack on our democracy.

Just like McConnell stealing a seat on the Supreme Court was an attack on our democracy...except that actually has a lasting impact

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

40% - lot better than any Democrat. The leak is not good for the country and should be handled urgently.

So should what McConnell did...I can think of a few worthy repercussions for treason

 

[anon_6hv78pr714xta]

It is actually a crime: obstruction of justice.

Please educate yourself.

Yes it is a crime.

Could someone provide a citation to the statute violated? I'd like to read it.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

Do you use that line in trials? "Now I'm just a simple country lawyer..." It's pretty great

 

[hoot1]

How about an FBI and Congressional investigation into the leak with no one being forced to testify ?

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

Just like McConnell stealing a seat on the Supreme Court was an attack on our democracy...except that actually has a lasting impact

You keep saying it, but yet there is no Constitutional provision, no statute and no case that says that. So…