You are the one that called it a national motto. Im saying that I’m not seeing people in my area shooting people because they are cut off in traffic. Dubois Co and Bloomington are not that far apart. I’m my area… we have a drug problem enabled by government programs not a gun violence problem.
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Youth crime is an increasingly vexing problem. Short term solutions are not the same as for adults. Longer term, we need to begin with better, more rigorous, and accountable public education. I don’t think we get there with more and younger ECE that the liberal democrats are in love with. That might even be counterproductive as it decreases the importance of family structure.
None of that is data. It's all opinion, which was my point.
All I'm asking for is a simple study, any study, that points to what you said, yet you haven't provided one. I provided a study for my side, why can't you provide a STUDY, not a article with opinions in it.
I'm starting to think that the reason you haven't is because they don't exist.
Edit: I went back and read the Fox News article a little further in depth and clicked on some of the links they had. I'm calling bullshit on the studies they were sighting. In one of them they have in there and I quote:
"Thus, from the studies published on the characteristics of woman seeking abortion, it can be estimated that up to 70% of all abortion patients fall into the high risk category, because of coercive pressure and/or ambivalent feelings at the time of abortion."
You would be surprised to find out that the author of the report the leader of a pro life ministry.
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We have a drug problem, what government program is causing it?
We have a violence problem. Some of it is caused by drugs, the number one way to be shot and killed is to be involved with drugs. But it doesn't appear that caused Sandy Hook, Michigan State, El Paso WalMart, etc.
And we have a road rage problem. Hek, google Road Rage, and watch the videos. It is incredible how freaking stupid people are while driving a huge and dangerous vehicle.
So are you saying there is ZERO reason for anyone in Dubois county to have a gun for protection? I've never in my life felt the need to own a gun for protection, but others tell me how dangerous Bloomington is and I should have one and they have one. Are you on my side, the vast majority of us have no self defense reason to own a gun (not saying anything about sport, collecting, etc)?
Education of course but doesn’t comport with reality. Many of these kids are in dire financial distress, broken homes, etc. When Rap Snacks are all you had to feed your little brother sitting in school for 8 hours doesn’t seem smart. Many thinks need fixing. I do believe Dems care more and save the vote whoring politicians the ones on the street are trying. They just don’t always have the best process
Yeah or how we think of a victim. There’s always a victim. It might be Wells Fargo but you know what I mean
When you can come to a pharmacy and get #120 Norco for no charge every month then you have a government program enabling a drug problem. I see it all the time. 30 year olds that will fill these every month for the rest of their lives. Consequently, they will never have a job. How do they afford not to work?
We are now seeing the same thing happening with amphetamines. Kids started on these in school and now can’t live without them as adults.
If they are not working, why should the taxpayer fund their lifelong “need”?
I’m sure the Michigan AG “cares,” as do many like her. But caring is not addressing the problem.
A victim is someone you can hit with a hammer. Wells Fargo doesn’t qualify
I know this will turn your stomach but you could tether guaranteed income to school attendance. Involve the schools. Ameliorate some of the obstacles. Incentivize parental involvement.
I’m poor shouldn’t be a threshold. I’m poor and disabled. Okay. I’m poor and trying to get my kids through school. Well maybe
You know I’m a conservative. And a man’s man. My masculinity is TOXIC. And I detest wokeism. But the problem with conservatives, some conservatives, is they think we are all in an equal race. In truth some were endowed with hamstrings that go from their ass to their achillles and are faster than shit. Others got webbed feet. The race isn’t completely fair. So if we’re giving out money anyway let’s do it in a fashion that is smart
Isn't that a problem with overprescribing by doctors, something we have known about for a long time? We actually had this problem before, in the 1800s, long before any government programts:
What an 1890s opioid epidemic can teach us about ending addiction today
Unless we learn from the opioid epidemic of the 1890s and focus only on punishing opioid producers and distributors while ignoring the role of physicians and regulators, this preventable tragedy will recur.
www.statnews.com
There is a lot to blame on the opioid issue, Purdue Pharma basically lying about the addiction possibility is one example:
The Four-Sentence Letter Behind the Rise of Oxycontin | Center of Alcohol & Substance Use Studies
alcoholstudies.rutgers.edu
I agree that we shouldn't fund people who don't need opioids. On the other hand, I know people who have chronic pain and working is difficult for them (one has been through multiple surgeries). I don't have an answer. We need people to avoid opioids as far as possible as one can't get addicted if they never use them, we need doctors to be careful in prescribing them. If there is a government solution about paying, fine. But I'd hate to think we are going to cut off everyone as some people legitimately need pain relief. Tough luck isn't a great answer. We need to get better at differentiating the fakers from the real. Heck, I don't know, maybe require pharmacies to administer lie detector tests (yes, that is meant as a joke but it may be something government programs could require).
A true story.
At my 60th HS reunion the year before last I sat with a classmate who has earned a reputation of playing Santa Clause. He has a wide following in Northern Indiana and parts of Illinois. I asked him about some his experiences. One he told about was a time he was in Gary playing for a group of kids, all black, in abject poverty. One little girl said she wanted new shoes that match. He noticed she was wearing old shoes that didn’t match. He asked his wife to go to the nearby Walmart (I think) to pick up a pair of shoes. one of those in charge of the event stopped her and said don’t. He said the girls mom will trade the shoes for drugs.
The problems in these areas are incomprehensible for most of us. I don’t mind providing incentives for education, but I don’t think GI, is the answer. Like the SSI, and SNAP benefits already paid to homeless and almost homeless, a substantial portion ends up in Mexico in the hands of the cartels.
I totally understand that concern. And as a lawyer how many times have you cautioned not to throw good money after bad. But like a bar with skimming there will be some loss but you can still incorporate safeguards and mitigate same. Want more money get piss tested. Whatever
Like the gun issue…there is no common ground on this issue.Isn't that a problem with overprescribing by doctors, something we have known about for a long time? We actually had this problem before, in the 1800s, long before any government programts:
What an 1890s opioid epidemic can teach us about ending addiction today
Unless we learn from the opioid epidemic of the 1890s and focus only on punishing opioid producers and distributors while ignoring the role of physicians and regulators, this preventable tragedy will recur.
There is a lot to blame on the opioid issue, Purdue Pharma basically lying about the addiction possibility is one example:
The Four-Sentence Letter Behind the Rise of Oxycontin | Center of Alcohol & Substance Use Studies
I agree that we shouldn't fund people who don't need opioids. On the other hand, I know people who have chronic pain and working is difficult for them (one has been through multiple surgeries). I don't have an answer. We need people to avoid opioids as far as possible as one can't get addicted if they never use them, we need doctors to be careful in prescribing them. If there is a government solution about paying, fine. But I'd hate to think we are going to cut off everyone as some people legitimately need pain relief. Tough luck isn't a great answer. We need to get better at differentiating the fakers from the real. Heck, I don't know, maybe require pharmacies to administer lie detector tests (yes, that is meant as a joke but it may be something government programs could require).
I don't understand, don't we ALL think dangerous people shouldn't have easy access to guns? Seriously, is there anyone out there who disagrees with that idea?
I’m not sure if you guys are talking past each other or not but an abortion being “the right decision” for a woman at the time is not the same as whether or not they regretted the decision.
I can make a decision I feel is necessary and still regret having had to make it.
I fully believe there are woman who regret having a abortion.
When he said "the majority of those expressing remore begins in year 10+", I'm calling bullshit on that one.
And the system keeps failing. The cops had already give to the Michigan shooter’s house bc he was shooting in the backyard. That should have been game over
It's Santa Claus. The Santa Clause (you know, like "clause" in a legal document) is the title of a series of movies starring Tim Allen, and only the first was any good.
And why was your Santa Claus friend asking kids living in abject poverty what they wanted for Christmas, when it was unlikely they were going to get anything? Pretty cruel trick.
This whole story sounds suspect. Is it some twisted variation of that "Christmas Shoes" song that came out about 20 years ago?
P.S. Mrs. Claus should have made the run to Walmart.
Im going to assume that is an offense is his location. What would have been the charge?
Was he prosecuted to the full extent of the law?
Yeah he was in lansing not the sticks. You can’t discharge a firearm in your backyard
Yeah, THE problem is whatever issues cause the criminals to be criminals to begin with.
There are ways to identify many. For example, we started restricting people with domestic abuse convictions but a court has stepped in and said that for that circuit, no.
Domestic Violence Advocacy Groups Alarmed by 5th Circuit Court Ruling Allowing Accused Abusers to Own Guns
A recent ruling by the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals said the Second Amendment allows people accused of domestic abuse to have guns. The ruling applies only to the 5th District, but advocates said there could be ramifications nationwide.
I would also suggest people convicted of cruelty to animals.
I would suggest people who commit certain crimes while carrying a gun. For example, these smash-and-grabs may not be felonies, but if one is stupid enough to have a gun on them while carrying it out, they are a danger.
This MSU guy, he was accused of firing a gun out his back door. Maybe in nowhere, not a problem. In a city, he's a danger. Just about any reckless behavior with a weapon qualifies. If someone doesn't take the danger of a gun seriously, they are dangerous. We follow that rule with drivers.
Reports of credible threats and intimidation should be strongly considered. If someone tells their neighbor they will kill them, we should take them at their word.
If you are convicted of a felony…no guns.There are ways to identify many. For example, we started restricting people with domestic abuse convictions but a court has stepped in and said that for that circuit, no.
Domestic Violence Advocacy Groups Alarmed by 5th Circuit Court Ruling Allowing Accused Abusers to Own Guns
A recent ruling by the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals said the Second Amendment allows people accused of domestic abuse to have guns. The ruling applies only to the 5th District, but advocates said there could be ramifications nationwide.news.wttw.com
I would also suggest people convicted of cruelty to animals.
I would suggest people who commit certain crimes while carrying a gun. For example, these smash-and-grabs may not be felonies, but if one is stupid enough to have a gun on them while carrying it out, they are a danger.
This MSU guy, he was accused of firing a gun out his back door. Maybe in nowhere, not a problem. In a city, he's a danger. Just about any reckless behavior with a weapon qualifies. If someone doesn't take the danger of a gun seriously, they are dangerous. We follow that rule with drivers.
Reports of credible threats and intimidation should be strongly considered. If someone tells their neighbor they will kill them, we should take them at their word.
If you’re on Clozaril or Lithium or another antipsychotic…no guns.
We have some. We need more.We have common sense gun laws. They aren't enforced. They often aren't enforced by progressive DAs who, because of equity, don't like throwing the book at criminals.
About that MSU shooter...
Michigan State Shooter Had Prior Felony Gun Charge Dismissed By Progressive Prosecutor
A gunman who killed three and wounded five others at Michigan State University on Monday would have been barred from owning a firearm at the time of the shooting had he not had felony gun charges dismissed by a progressive prosecutor. Anthony McRae was charged in June 2019 with illegally...freebeacon.com
And, two important things you didn't mention -- 10 years later allows a woman to build up financial security to enable her to finance a child, either with or without another supporting wage earner. The passage of time also allows her to distance herself from any bad actor/sperm donor who may have been part of her original decision,
We've all heard enough stories about crazy ex-girlfriends in their late 20s/early 30s to make me think that the passage of 10 years does not automatically "add up" to make a woman's supposed "reflection and experience" the only reason for a possible change of opinion.
When you finally have a little money and security, and when you finally rid your life of harmful assholes in your life, it's easy then to forget the valid reasons that led you to make the original decision 10 years earlier.
It's impossible to make correct assessments 10 years after the fact, because all the original conditions and reasons cannot be accurately recreated. No number of degrees in psychiatry or mental health can correct the inability of the patient to inform her provider 10 years later about all the real influences on her decision 10 years previously. (Education and training does not = clairvoyance, except on the Supreme Court.)
Wonder how many of those suicides are … by guns??? It’s obviously not just a one pronged problem but guns certainly are a part of the problem.
I think very few actually want to get rid of guns period. Everyone knows that’s impossible.
Do you have a link for that? Because hopefully we all know that the large majority of abortions in the last trimester are to save the life of the mother or for a severely I’ll or disabled child. I find it hard to believe anyone regrets that 10 years down the road.
Not necessarily.
We'd definitely improve the situation if we eliminated only, say, one-quarter of the guns. There are a couple ways to start doing that, such as criminalizing the failure of police departments to destroy the illegal guns they have already confiscated legally,
Like other things they've done wrong, police departments have routinely sold confiscated guns (just like abandoned bicycles) as a money-making activity, thus ensuring that those same guns eventually migrate to future murderers, fostering a cycle of death.
Lawabiding gunowners have no legitimate complaint against the destruction of illegal guns that used to belong to someone else.
No.
The Declaration of Independence was never law. Never.
Don't try to fool us with mistatements of history. The Second Amendment mentions militias but does not ever mention personal protection.
"Make a dent in the guns in circulation," you wrote.
Yes. Yes. Yes.
Guns should not be as accessible as candy bars,
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