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Nonsense is carrying on how we’ve been doing things. Musk has been indelicate and that’s being charitable but gov slashing has long been needed. If there’s a year of bumps so what
All of this should have been done during the down time of Covid. But Joe Biden has lived off gov checks. Lived off our money. So his headspace was free cheese. Nothing he ever worked for. Earning $ isn’t a concern in dc. Nor is stewardship
I'm talking about the IRS and collecting what's owed.
You aren't catching tax cheats with tech. At least not anything that's available today. And the govt has a horrible track record implementing technology solutions anyway, as there at no COTS products built for govt specific work. Everything has to be created custom.
They already have automation for catching non filing of reported income.
You're talking about transfer payments to the public. That's an entirely different discussion.
If reports are true and we get only a $150 billion cut, it seems like all this DOGE consternation was pretty pointless. That’s basically the difference in the proposed increase of the Pentagon budget.
Any day is a good day to cut out waste and decapitating USAID and the Department of Education is gods work but as far as putting the U.S. on firmer fiscal footing, it appears DOGE is likely to fail.
Even tax cheats are paying payroll sales taxes property taxes circulating money spending. We certainly don’t want them but adding 80,000 agents or whatever. No. Let’s cut spending and be better stewards rather than harass small businesses
Govt spending your discussing is already at 70 year lows.
Entitlements defense etc is the only meaningful way. That said every penny counts
Keep going. It’s our money. But yes entitlements defense etc is what will have to be addressed at some point to make any real difference
I'm including defense. Defense is half what we spent a generation ago.
You cite these statistics as a % of GDP.
That is inherently flawed. Defense costs much more than it did a generation ago.
Why is it inherently flawed? Govt spending as % of GDP is always the metric. Including defense spending targets for NATO, etc...
3.4 last year. we spent more than double nato and canada combined. there's is about 2%. we're 36 trillion down
It's important to know why we're in debt if we're going to stop it.
And it's not from spending 3.4% on defense and 3% on rest of the govt (which has held pretty steady for 60 years).
Next year will be much better because the administration plans to cut 40% of the IRS workforce. Of course, they intend to make up for this loss of manpower by improving efficiency and adding automation. They actually have no plan for that, but I'm sure they'll come up with one and implement it before next tax season. Aren't you sure?
IRS could cut up to 40% of workforce, memo indicates
The IRS's Reduction in Force plan states the agency could go from 102,000 employees to a target of 60,000 to 70,000, according to an internal memo.www.cbsnews.com
This caught my eye right out of the gate:
The memo said that the IRS will send Reduction in Force (RIF) notices on a biweekly basis.
That's no way to live. Waiting to see if you're canned or your badge still works for 2 more weeks. That should get a lot of people voluntarily headed for the exits.
Well it hasn't. It's gone from 12-13% to 6-7% over the last 70 years.
Doesn't appear the President has any intention of cutting defense spending. He even signed an order that would support increasing the Navy's fleet to 381 ships. We have less than 300 currently.
Trump signs shipbuilding order as Navy leaders call for 381-ship fleet
The new policy aims to revitalize a U.S. shipbuilding industry that has fallen well behind production levels of its rivals from Beijing.
www.militarytimes.com
it all adds up. again it's our money. why justify one excess penny. i understand re entitlements etc but we don't need to spend that much for defense. just because we always have isn't an argument
Why? Why do we need to keep making these expensive, floating hunks of metal? Are we anticipating re-fighting the battle of midway sometime soon?Doesn't appear the President has any intention of cutting defense spending. He even signed an order that would support increasing the Navy's fleet to 381 ships. We have less than 300 currently.
Trump signs shipbuilding order as Navy leaders call for 381-ship fleet
The new policy aims to revitalize a U.S. shipbuilding industry that has fallen well behind production levels of its rivals from Beijing.
80% of the pentagon budget should be going to Anduril and Palantir so we can fight the wars as if it’s the year 2025.
That's an opinion. Fine. Just giving you the actual facts.
FY2025 budget is like 5.5% of GDP. I don't find that some reckless spending number.
I fundamentally disagree. We should be spending more than we are. But we can't because we're broke from sending out transfer payments
NATO target is 2 percent of GDP on defense. Most of NATO is meeting it, but not all. Poland and Estonia meet or exceed the spending of US by GDP. Poland is a very good NATO member. Their military is very professional as well.
How much do Nato members spend on defence?
Nato expects 23 of its 32 members to have met the target of spending 2% of GDP on defence in 2024.
www.bbc.com
Right. Let’s bring ours down to 2 percent. Have we gotten a clean audit yet?NATO target is 2 percent of GDP on defense. Most of NATO is meeting it, but not all. Poland and Estonia meet or exceed the spending of US by GDP. Poland is a very good NATO member. Their military is very professional as well.
How much do Nato members spend on defence?
Nato expects 23 of its 32 members to have met the target of spending 2% of GDP on defence in 2024.
I think that's a different discussion. One that's not had nearly enough and should be where all the focus should land
They can't hire people for necessary billets now because people don't want to take the jobs in this environment. Too much instability and chaos.
Nope. Never been able to have a fully successful audit of DoD. No worries, the new SecDef has vowed to make it happen!
To be fair they do know where the vast majority of their funding is spent but haven't been able to account for every dime. The DoD is a humongous department with combatant commands, schools, agencies, squadrons, ships, divisions, battalions, and on and on, all with their own budgets. However, our SecDef has just the right expertise to account for every dime! I have confidence.
Vast majority lol. Gov…. Only a billion here. Billion there “lost”
Well Princeton and Harvard. That probably trumps auburn and that master’s in education counseling from the revered theatrical and online school Webster university where greats like Esther rolle and Al Lewis performed that our prior sect boasts of
The latest is 93 percent clean and accounted for and the rest is partially accounted for or not accounted for. The last audit, the 7th, was the closest to a fully clean audit they've had since they've been required about 10 years ago. They're "required" to have a fully clean audit by 2028. If that was a betting possibility in Vegas, I'd bet against. It's just a huge budget broken into 27 or 28 pots which are then broken into additional pots for ships, battalions, squadrons, etc. It's an extremely complex problem. The entire federal budget has the same issue.
It was doomed to failure from the get go for the reasons I, and others, were telling you guys when this all started. There isn't a whole bunch of "fraud" going on in those sectors of the government and the "waste" wasn't in employees. This was all just score settling for some and a slash and burn our perceived political opponents for others. The entire federal payroll is like $200B. The program being cut are a fraction of the budget. You are not going to cut your way out of the demographic bomb hitting entitlements.
Recent war games w.r.t. China have them worried.Doesn't appear the President has any intention of cutting defense spending. He even signed an order that would support increasing the Navy's fleet to 381 ships. We have less than 300 currently.
Trump signs shipbuilding order as Navy leaders call for 381-ship fleet
The new policy aims to revitalize a U.S. shipbuilding industry that has fallen well behind production levels of its rivals from Beijing.
