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It's basketball. Someone was going to step up with money to get rid of that guy.
Does he play OSU, Michigan, and Penn State every year? No. Give me a break with that job.
I thought you are all in for clappy CTA. Has something changed?
And it’s an entirely open question as to whether donors would be as anxious and willing to help with Allen’s buyout as they were with Miller’s
You also need the president and the athletic director to think that is the correct move.
Even if they thought it was the correct move the money has to come from somewhere. I assume the president and the athletic director thought the Miller buyout was the correct move but it still involved outside help.
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Doc is wrong, they don't pay out the money in football they do to basketball. The AD doesn't understand they need more money to bring in very good coordinators not bad OC like now. I really like the new DC that will take over the defense after this season and Coach Allen as HC.
I think Doc's comment was very telling about IU and football - they do enough to be 6-6 with a bowl game. Maybe IU should shoot higher and have a chance to do more if they would pony up to get a top coaching staff.
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@Cry cry cry
Wow four new user names since being put in the penalty box...just to troll me.
Somebody Salty
Wow four new user names since being put in the penalty box...just to troll me.
Somebody Salty
When an IU administrator sits dow and analyzes how to compete with budgets at Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin- and now USC and UCLA, all they can do is puke.
The answer is “we do not have that money.”
We spent $50+ Million over nearly a decade to build the NEZ and SEZ and the stuff underneath - all that academic area, medical areas, health/nutrition. It exhausted the money for football improvements for the next 20 years. Yes, we improved all other sports, but it didn’t help football.
In my view, it won’t help to JUST increase the pool for assistant salaries.
It’s about PLAYERS. The best players in Indiana go to Ohio State or Notre Dame first, then pick an SEC school if they can, and by the time we get our Indianapolis 4-star, they are developmental.
Same as going to Florida. We get 4th and 5th choice guys.
We gotta get a larger lake.
Double the recruiting budget > doubling the assistant budget.
Go national 24/7/365. Find 3 diamonds in the rough instead of 1 - cause we aren’t getting the elites, EVER.
The answer is “we do not have that money.”
We spent $50+ Million over nearly a decade to build the NEZ and SEZ and the stuff underneath - all that academic area, medical areas, health/nutrition. It exhausted the money for football improvements for the next 20 years. Yes, we improved all other sports, but it didn’t help football.
In my view, it won’t help to JUST increase the pool for assistant salaries.
It’s about PLAYERS. The best players in Indiana go to Ohio State or Notre Dame first, then pick an SEC school if they can, and by the time we get our Indianapolis 4-star, they are developmental.
Same as going to Florida. We get 4th and 5th choice guys.
We gotta get a larger lake.
Double the recruiting budget > doubling the assistant budget.
Go national 24/7/365. Find 3 diamonds in the rough instead of 1 - cause we aren’t getting the elites, EVER.
matt rhule ain't walking through that door. isn't he getting paid something like 6 million a year for the next 6 years for doing nothing? why in the world would he take a pay cut to come to this clown show?
I see no reason why IU couldn't pay the next Head Coach....
Same reason he went to Temple and Baylor?
In other words you’d likely have to offer him at least $6 Mil a year to coach instead of doing nothing
it’s too bad Rhule doesn’t coach basketball—then the money would likely be no problem
in my personal viewing life, IU has fired Dickens, Crimmins, Pont, Corso, Wyche, Mallory, Cameron, DeNardo, Lynch, and Wilson.
how'd those work out.
CTA was good to great with Ramsey and Penix at QB.
it's still about the Jimmies and Joes.
there are things the administration can control, and some things it can't.
the administration can't recruit.
it can somewhat control attendance, which greatly affects recruiting.
biggest lack of support from the administration, has been in not doing whatever it takes to put fans in seats.
a full or almost full stadium, is worth 10 gold platted locker and weight rooms, as to recruiting.
we could have free IU student admission, free student through HS admission, and $5 cheap seats for adults, for literally a fraction of what we waste on unneeded brick and mortar and buy outs.
how'd those work out.
CTA was good to great with Ramsey and Penix at QB.
it's still about the Jimmies and Joes.
there are things the administration can control, and some things it can't.
the administration can't recruit.
it can somewhat control attendance, which greatly affects recruiting.
biggest lack of support from the administration, has been in not doing whatever it takes to put fans in seats.
a full or almost full stadium, is worth 10 gold platted locker and weight rooms, as to recruiting.
we could have free IU student admission, free student through HS admission, and $5 cheap seats for adults, for literally a fraction of what we waste on unneeded brick and mortar and buy outs.
Unless Allen totally sees the world through fantasy-colored glasses (and he may) he knows he’s in over his head. Bobby Knight gave money back when he didn’t live up to his expectations; is CTA as honorable as CRMK?
The best I’ve got in relation to what?
I’ve said all along I think Allen’s safe np matter how this season finishes and probably safe even if 2023 is a.losing season
Or….find a smaller pond?
Howver, those big fish aren’t who we will ever compete with. It’s the other 9 or so we need focus on.
Its coming.
Once the league has 20 or 25 members, and we don’t play on TV every week, and therefore don’t “contribute“ to the TV revenues, they’ll take TV revenues away from us, and the financial incentive for taking season-long beat downs will be gone.
The administration has very little to do with attendance. The product on the field does. You don’t go to the theatre to watch a shitty movie just because they have good popcorn.
I have done that several times in the past. Been to movies that had no business being released in theaters but the popcorn sure as hell was good.
I think in his specific case it’s more likely that he would’ve succeeded, and fairly quickly, and then still would’ve bolted, either to a better college job or back to the NFL
Mallory did well at NIU, then Alex Smith got hurt.
HEP’s tenure was too short.
MAC teams have to out scheme to compete.
Lembo outschemed Wilson their first game.
Miss State showed scheme (Xs and Os) isn’t enough v. Alabama— (Willies and Joes).
He might still get paid depending on his buyout … a collegiate salary would be deducted from the guarantee.
EMU is the worst job in FBS. Woodruff went 9-34. Genyk went 16-42. English went 11-46. They were the laughing stock of the MAC for 3 decades. They had not been to a bowl since 1987. He walked into a job with zero fan support, horrendous facilities. You have to compete against MAC schools in the state that went to NY6 bowls and have NFL players drafted in the first round and going to the Pro Bowl. You also have Toledo and Bowling Green are also an hour away, both of which have had success.
Creighton has made 4 bowls in 6 years. He's .500 since 2016 which is incredible at EMU. He won in Tempe this year. Won in Champaign in 2019. Won in West Lafayette in 2018. Won in Piscataway in 2017. Beat an 8 win Wyoming team in 2016.
He is not what IU needs though. We need a Hugh Freeze type of coach, who will bring an interesting offense and get the fans to start believing again. But we can't land someone like that. He's already making 4 million/year at Liberty, and that's a place where you can actually win.
Did I forget to mention that Creighton is the guy that recommended Deboer to Allen And that his current QB's Coach Piatkowski ("Pike") was the guy who actually spent the most time working with Penix in 2019 here as the GA working directly for Deboer...?
That get anyone's attention...?
He's exactly what we need as a Head Coach...; primarily because he's proven he can overcome every handicap thrown at him and just keep finding a way to win...
There is the other rather large elephant in the corner of the room that everyone either seems to have forgotten about or chooses to ignore...: The Athletes Bill of Rights...
I think it's a great thing in most respects but the reality is that most coaches would never consider being saddled with that coming in... You basically have to coddle a player who's screwing up rather than tell him what you really think... That works with some guys but rather obviously not all...
Creighton could deal with it easily....
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Matt Rhule is going to have to take a pay cut to come back to the collegiate rankings and he's almost assuredly done in the NFL. He has a ticket to early retirement if he wants it, but understanding how these coaches and their egos work, Matt Rhule isn't going to sit on his behind for the next 4-5 years collecting unemployment, not if he wants to continue coaching anyway.
You need to start somewhere. Consistent bowl games, maybe win one even, build depth, then start shooting higher.
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Not sure why the need to insert clappy. The issue is losing, not with clapping or celebrating when things are going well.
Lets match up nearly anyone in the country's record against those three teams over the past 15 years... As you said..., give me a break!!!
Here's a novel idea..., why don't we start by finding a guy who can consistently win against the peer on peer part of our schedule and then we can worry about building on that to be able to compete at a Big Ten Championship level... Right now we're losing to freaking Rutgers on a regular basis...
///That was a response to Tegray saying Creighton wasn't facing Michigan or Ohio State...///
Here's a novel idea..., why don't we start by finding a guy who can consistently win against the peer on peer part of our schedule and then we can worry about building on that to be able to compete at a Big Ten Championship level... Right now we're losing to freaking Rutgers on a regular basis...
///That was a response to Tegray saying Creighton wasn't facing Michigan or Ohio State...///
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