Will Wade makes 1 million a year less than Archie and look what he’s done in 2 years. And just knocked off UK on the road. One conference loss this season. But some how IU is still rebuilding and Archie needs to get “his” players. That’s BS. IU has more excuses than any other program...,,rebuilding during Crean and now Miller. Why do other schools not need “rebuild” time. Tennessee, Texas Tech , LSU, Nevada , etc seem to have coaches who are getting it done. With IUs resources , recruiting budget, and facilities , we deserve better. This is Barnes 3rd year and they’re number 1. Fans need to stop making excuses.
Stop settling for mediocre results
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Paying for players is the way to go, I guess?
It took Barnes a few years at Tenn.
A lot of this is IU has little help from Creans players. Different system. Tough conference.
Hunter doesn’t go down and IU has 3 starting freshman this year.
Sucks now, but Archie didn’t win at Dayton on accident. Get a few classes together and IU will be on top for a long time.
A lot of this is IU has little help from Creans players. Different system. Tough conference.
Hunter doesn’t go down and IU has 3 starting freshman this year.
Sucks now, but Archie didn’t win at Dayton on accident. Get a few classes together and IU will be on top for a long time.
Will wade cheats don’t u know that in fact all the schools that win cheat, IU sucks cause they don’t cheat.
Agreed 100% . Too many blinded fans to realize Archie is a pretender
IU fans have a clear level of entitlement to which they appear blind. Bob Knight is not coming back through that door. IU hasn’t been to a Final Four in going on 20 years. There is zero reason to expect IU “deserves” to be good again and zero reason to think it will happen any time soon. Zero. There are plenty of other schools now accustomed to picking off the Indiana HS kids.
Let me remind you in year 3 Rick Barnes was 26-9 and WON the SEC now in his 4th year they are ranked #1.
I hope not. The man is pushing 80 years old and there’s no way he could do what he did 40 years ago.
Archie will get another good class in here and be on his way in due time. easier to win in the SEC too compared to B1G
I’m realistic. It takes time. Archie has a plan and knows how to run a program.
This team has minimal help from the upperclassmen.
Our old coach had Jermiah April, Priller, and Grant gelon on 4 year schollies. Our old coach kicked Matt Roth off the team bc he couldn’t manage scholarships. Then there was made up academic fraud with Patterson bc he couldn’t manage anything. Archie inherited a complete disaster.
Coaches will line up down the length of North Jordan for a chance to coach IU. Firing CAM early won't bother them.
Right now, I’d be thrilled with mediocre results.
More like a realistic patient Indiana fan. I agree 100%. The same crowd who want Archie's head rode Crean out of town. Look at Brelein's first three years and Coach K's. Pretty sure both schools are glad they were patient.
Doesn't it seem like more than "mediocre recruits"?
I mean, what would you expect the score of Ball State at Minnesota to be?
75-62?
70-58?
I mean, what would you expect the score of Ball State at Minnesota to be?
75-62?
70-58?
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Since Bob Knight's firing what high profile coach has drooled about coaching IU?
I see a bad job of coaching players that do not want to be coached. I also see a lack of discipline and effort. Not sure what more I can say. Probably should give him a year but needs to recruit a shooter or two. Needs to also make an assistant change and have these guys hit the weight room hard. Glass should also fell some heat as no bowls last 2 years and no NCAA tournament last 3 years. Not sure He should be trusted to hire for the 2 major revenue earning programs. He also gave Crean the bad extension.
Not even asking for an elite coach at this point. Just one that's competent would be a nice start...
A "home run" hire doesn't need 4-5 years to make the tournament. How many of you in Archie's defense, can honestly say he needs that amount of time to produce anything? This season is down the drain (barring a miracle in the BTT) and next season will be more of the same. Long single is all I see at the moment.
It is easy to stick with that dogma.
The facts are:
The B1G won the NCAA title in 2000.
The SEC won THREE titles since then.
Have you seen or watched the Sec the last few years. Good coaches and ranked players equal good teams. Sec has gotten top ranked classes while adding really good young and older experienced coaches. Big Ten not so much lately.
Let me remind you that after Randy Ayers took OSU to the top of the heap quickly with Jimmy Jackson, he steadily declined and had many bad seasons at OSU before they let him go.
Any fool can look at today's records and declare someone king.
On the question of how much time a coach warrants to produce a winner, I think it requires context.
First, what did they inherit? Nobody was calling for Tom Crean’s head in Year 2 or 3 for obvious reasons. He inherited a roster that consisted of two walk-ons — not to mention recruiting sanctions. That was as complete a rebuild as anybody is likely to see.
Second, how effective is the coaching irrespective of the roster? In other words, did teams tend to improve or regress? How well did the players buy in to the coaching staff’s philosophy? Did they play hard? Did the gameplans seem well-suited to our team and our opponents? Were the in-game adjustments handled well?
Basically, did we punch at, above, or below our weight?
I think it’s this second batch of questions that has people so antsy about Archie. Everybody knows he inherited a less-than-stellar situation. And I think expectations have been tempered properly to that. Nobody was expecting a Final Four caliber team in Year 2. But the roster he inherited doesn’t get him a free pass on those other questions.
No matter how you slice it, our team this year has failed to meet expectations. And that’s not because the expectations were unreasonably high.
Haha big 10 teams can’t compete in the sec. SEC is to physical and athletic. If you can score 36 in the big 10 you always have a chance.
This is a dumb argument, "Give Miller time because he is stuck with the program that Crean left." That is you on one hand. On the other? "You guys are the same people that ran off Tom Crean, because you were not patient."
Well based on statement number 1 you are welcome for statement number 2. Some of you idiots have the mentality that has infected our football program for 50 years. Carnival Barker Glass and Who Gives A Shit About Sports McRobbie just need to slap the Indiana U. Stamp of Approval on something and many of you will defend it to death.
Fans like you have wasted half of the past 20 years of futility by continuing to support the bullshit that IU rolls out here. Miller should get one more year. One, to prove that he can handle those job. This year has been a traveshamockery of a season. There are H.S. coaches that could have turned in this performance for less than a tenth of what Ryan Miller is paid (he has to earn the nickname back). If it is players not getting it done, they should have been benched 8 games ago. There were moron fans calling out the problem not long after it started and saying guys need to sit. It took losing 10 out of 11 and an absolute lackadaisical performance (and ass beating) at Minnesota for our $3.5 million a year coach and his another $1 million plus team of assistants to figure out we needed a change. Well the unpaid idiots complaining on this board could have told him that 8 damn games ago.
There are people in this fanbase who want to hold the A.D. accountable and then there are the cheerleaders who would eat a shit sandwich if Fred Glass gave it the IU stamp of approval. If you want the poop sandwich that has been Indiana Football to become the Basketball program, get those pom poms out and keep on rah-rah-ing this BS. Pretty soon all the "negative" people will be gone and you can enjoy the futility of the "maybe this year" mentality of the football program, which I wish to God would change, because next year never comes. If you want to actually enjoy IU basketball by watching a program that can win some games, get out of the way and let the people with the pitchforks and torches through.
Rick Barnes has pedigree. Look at the players he’s coached and recruited. He had 2 all stars last night. Miller has no pedigree. Y’all remind me of our fan base during billy g’s 2 years, trying to remain positive but in reality you know how terrible of hire it was and how badly he needs to be canned.
It's Barnes fourth year, cupcake. Take a midol ....
after two years his record was 31-35.
Maybe less time whining more time learning.
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