Stat of the day: consecutive Big Ten seasons under 0.500

[TR32]

In 102 seasons of Big Ten conference basketball, Indiana has only had a third consecutive season at or below 0.500 after 2 straight seasons....

1970, 2011, and 2019. There has never been a 4th such season. That means even a 10-10 season would be unprecedented futility. Obviously Miller has the disadvantage of one of those seasons belonging to Crean.

 

[cryano]

In 102 seasons of Big Ten conference basketball, Indiana has only had a third consecutive season at or below 0.500 after 2 straight seasons....

1970, 2011, and 2019. There has never been a 4th such season. That means even a 10-10 season would be unprecedented futility. Obviously Miller has the disadvantage of one of those seasons belonging to Crean.

You disregard the fact that Miller had the advantage of taking over a clean program, with a fairly experienced roster, 1 year removed from being B10 Champs.

Miller also knew the situation, supposedly turned down many other opportunities prior, and knew the expectations at Indiana and the success the previous coach had and was fired for achieving...

 

[Cavanagh.6]

I'd bet the house at over 10.5 conference wins. Gonna be a good year.

 

[cryano]

I'd bet the house at over 10.5 conference wins. Gonna be a good year.

Good year is 11 - 9 in a down B10 w a very favorable road B10 schedule!!!!

Low Bar!!!

 

[Cavanagh.6]

Good year is 11 - 9 in a down B10 w a very favorable road B10 schedule!!!!

Low Bar!!!

That is not a good year. Anyone that says 11-9 is a good year is a moron.

 

[cryano]

That is not a good year. Anyone that says 11-9 is a good year is a moron.

You said it...

 

[cryano]

I'd bet the house at over 10.5 conference wins. Gonna be a good year.

right there

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

The Negative Nancy Club are having a thing here.

 

[Cavanagh.6]

right there

I said I’d bet the house we would go over 10.5 wins. I did not say how many games we would go over. I then said it will be a good year. 13-7 will make it a good year and will also be over 10.5!

 

[cryano]

I said I’d bet the house we would go over 10.5 wins. I did not say how many games we would go over. I then said it will be a good year. 13-7 will make it a good year and will also be over 10.5!

true and fair...

 

[minneman]

You disregard the fact that Miller had the advantage of taking over a clean program, with a fairly experienced roster, 1 year removed from being B10 Champs.

Miller also knew the situation, supposedly turned down many other opportunities prior, and knew the expectations at Indiana and the success the previous coach had and was fired for achieving...

You disregard the fact that Miller had the disadvantage of taking over a team that lost the 3 best players (2 NBA) after the season before finished only 2 games over 0.500 overall and 7-11 on in the conference (8th). That team shot only 31% from 3 and one of the players it lost was the best shooter (Blackmon).

You like to mention that conference championship 2 seasons before he took over because you think it makes him look worse. The truth is he inherited only 5 scholarship players from that championship team. Of those 5 players there was Hartman (role player), Newkirk (that was his transfer redshirt season so he didn't contribute to the championship), and Priller. Morgan wasn't a star player until his first season under Miller.

But please, tell us again what a great team Miller inherited.

 

[IUINSB]

You disregard the fact that Miller had the disadvantage of taking over a team that lost the 3 best players (2 NBA) after the season before finished only 2 games over 0.500 overall and 7-11 on in the conference (8th). That team shot only 31% from 3 and one of the players it lost was the best shooter (Blackmon).

You like to mention that conference championship 2 seasons before he took over because you think it makes him look worse. The truth is he inherited only 5 scholarship players from that championship team. Of those 5 players there was Hartman (role player), Newkirk (that was his transfer redshirt season so he didn't contribute to the championship), and Priller. Morgan wasn't a star player until his first season under Miller.

But please, tell us again what a great team Miller inherited.

Oh, he will. Repeatedly.

 

[TR32]

Well, it is certainly a unique situation.

In 1970, Jerry Oliver was credited with his only season as head coach after Lou Watson struggled. Then Watson was back one more year before Knight was hired. And of course Crean was in his 3rd season, which we have years ago debated ad nauseam, but suffice it to say he was disappointing in 2011. He did not get fired that year, and that had a lot to do with Cody Zeller and a returning group of juniors and seniors who ressurected the program in 2012.

So although there is precedence with Oliver/Watson, Miller stands alone if he cannot get above 0.500 this year. Personally, I think he can do it but it won't be easy.

He needs to win games against modestly good Big Ten teams. Other than MSU, Maryland, and OSU, who have more talent than IU does, there isn't anyone who isn't beatable with a good gameplan and execution.

 

[cshartle123]

You disregard the fact that Miller had the advantage of taking over a clean program, with a fairly experienced roster, 1 year removed from being B10 Champs.

Miller also knew the situation, supposedly turned down many other opportunities prior, and knew the expectations at Indiana and the success the previous coach had and was fired for achieving...

And now, starting at center, Freddie McSwain.

 

[minneman]

And now, starting at center, Freddie McSwain.

Sure, focus on only one player but you disregard the fact that it was a team that was only 30 years removed from a National Championship!

/s

 

[fpeaugh]

We might have the very worst coach in IU history. Not there yet but Archie is well on his way.

 

[Al Bino]

You disregard the fact that Miller had the disadvantage of taking over a team that lost the 3 best players (2 NBA) after the season before finished only 2 games over 0.500 overall and 7-11 on in the conference (8th). That team shot only 31% from 3 and one of the players it lost was the best shooter (Blackmon).

You like to mention that conference championship 2 seasons before he took over because you think it makes him look worse. The truth is he inherited only 5 scholarship players from that championship team. Of those 5 players there was Hartman (role player), Newkirk (that was his transfer redshirt season so he didn't contribute to the championship), and Priller. Morgan wasn't a star player until his first season under Miller.

But please, tell us again what a great team Miller inherited.

He is the king of hyperbole. Whatever it takes to make his position look better. He must obviously think his position is weak, why else exaggerate so much?

 

[cryano]

He is the king of hyperbole. Whatever it takes to make his position look better. He must obviously think his position is weak, why else exaggerate so much?

What grade do you think Archie would give himself at this point?
You think he waited out all those other opportunities he claimed he did for Indiana to be a possible bubble team predicted to finish 9/10 in B10 in his third year?

A good coach could literally have any P5 program in the country in the exact position as Archie into 3 years...

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

We might have the very worst coach in IU history. Not there yet but Archie is well on his way.

One of your funniest posts yet! Outstanding! LOL!

 

[cshartle123]

We might have the very worst coach in IU history. Not there yet but Archie is well on his way.

Yes, he might turn out to be the worst, but he isn’t trying to sell a facade. If he loses, he’s out. You don’t need to protect us.

 

[TR32]

We might have the very worst coach in IU history. Not there yet but Archie is well on his way.

No.

 

[dbmhoosier]

We might have the very worst coach in IU history. Not there yet but Archie is well on his way.

Do you think the same Mike Davis who was here for 6 years, not the Mike Davis of today who has certainly improved as a coach, could've taken Dayton to 5 straight tourneys? Just asking.

 

[jimmygoiu]

We might have the very worst coach in IU history. Not there yet but Archie is well on his way.

You are definitely the worst fan in IU history. No doubt.

 

[fpeaugh]

Do you think the same Mike Davis who was here for 6 years, not the Mike Davis of today who has certainly improved as a coach, could've taken Dayton to 5 straight tourneys? Just asking.

He took us to our only Final Four in the last 25 years and came within 12 points of winning a national title. And he missed the tourney twice in 5 years. Archie is 2-2.

Winning at a mid major is completely different than winning at a power 5 school. Recruiting is night and day. There are plenty of great mid major coaches who couldn’t cut it with elite schools.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

You are definitely the worst fan in IU history. No doubt.

Not exactly - he isn't an IU fan at all. No doubt.

 

[TR32]

Winning at a mid major is completely different than winning at a power 5 school. Recruiting is night and day.

If you focus on recruiting... Miller has a top 30 recruit in his first 2 classes-tops in the Big Ten, and is pursuing top recruits in his 3rd class.
Also, if you consider Phinisee to be a Big Ten level player, like any Big Ten coach would, then you would have to add him as a proven recruit. Hunter and Thompson have been injured.

I don't think most non-IU fans would say recruiting is the problem. And I definitely don't think IU fans think it is. Miller has landed 5 solid recruits thus far in the past 2 classes and he is not done with 2020. If you want to say Franklin won't produce by the time he is a junior, go ahead and say it.

Keep in mind also, Purdue, who is picked to finish top 5, has Brandon Newman and Eric Hunter as their recruited back court.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

If you focus on recruiting... Miller has a top 30 recruit in his first 2 classes-tops in the Big Ten, and is pursuing top recruits in his 3rd class.
Also, if you consider Phinisee to be a Big Ten level player, like any Big Ten coach would, then you would have to add him as a proven recruit. Hunter and Thompson have been injured.

I don't think most non-IU fans would say recruiting is the problem. And I definitely don't think IU fans think it is. Miller has landed 5 solid recruits thus far in the past 2 classes and he is not done with 2020. If you want to say Franklin won't produce by the time he is a junior, go ahead and say it.

Keep in mind also, Purdue, who is picked to finish top 5, has Brandon Newman and Eric Hunter as their recruited back court.

The recruiting thus far has been excellent. Only a fool would believe it isn't. Feepaw isn't an IU fan at all - he's an anti-IU troll who wants IU basketball to suck. It's why he's here. I enjoy his posts because they're so hilariously stupid, but they can't be taken seriously.

 

[Al Bino]

What grade do you think Archie would give himself at this point?
You think he waited out all those other opportunities he claimed he did for Indiana to be a possible bubble team predicted to finish 9/10 in B10 in his third year?

A good coach could literally have any P5 program in the country in the exact position as Archie into 3 years...

What does all that have to do with your propensity for using hyperbole in almost every post? If you have a solid case then state it, no need to embellish it with half truths.

As for your question. No, I would imagine he would grade himself quite harshly. I will not speculate on the grade because that is all it would be is speculation.

Your last line is just your opinion.

 

[IUgradman]

In 102 seasons of Big Ten conference basketball, Indiana has only had a third consecutive season at or below 0.500 after 2 straight seasons....

1970, 2011, and 2019. There has never been a 4th such season. That means even a 10-10 season would be unprecedented futility. Obviously Miller has the disadvantage of one of those seasons belonging to Crean.

Who was the AD during two of those stretches?

 

[IUgradman]

You disregard the fact that Miller had the disadvantage of taking over a team that lost the 3 best players (2 NBA) after the season before finished only 2 games over 0.500 overall and 7-11 on in the conference (8th). That team shot only 31% from 3 and one of the players it lost was the best shooter (Blackmon).

You like to mention that conference championship 2 seasons before he took over because you think it makes him look worse. The truth is he inherited only 5 scholarship players from that championship team. Of those 5 players there was Hartman (role player), Newkirk (that was his transfer redshirt season so he didn't contribute to the championship), and Priller. Morgan wasn't a star player until his first season under Miller.

But please, tell us again what a great team Miller inherited.

IU was good enough not to get blown out by Indiana State and Fort Wayne at home and lose to Rutgers in the Big Ten tournament. That is on Archie. Then the following season the team endured a 1-12 stretch. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of his coaching ability.

 

[fpeaugh]

If you focus on recruiting... Miller has a top 30 recruit in his first 2 classes-tops in the Big Ten, and is pursuing top recruits in his 3rd class.
Also, if you consider Phinisee to be a Big Ten level player, like any Big Ten coach would, then you would have to add him as a proven recruit. Hunter and Thompson have been injured.

I don't think most non-IU fans would say recruiting is the problem. And I definitely don't think IU fans think it is. Miller has landed 5 solid recruits thus far in the past 2 classes and he is not done with 2020. If you want to say Franklin won't produce by the time he is a junior, go ahead and say it.

Keep in mind also, Purdue, who is picked to finish top 5, has Brandon Newman and Eric Hunter as their recruited back court.

This is IU not Iowa. I don’t even know if Iowa would be bragging about Archie’s recruits.

You’re living completely in an IU bubble. The rest of the country would not be impressed by our recruiting. They haven’t even noticed us.

Davis, Sampson, and Crean all recruited better than Archie has so far.

 

[hondo314]

This is IU not Iowa. I don’t even know if Iowa would be bragging about Archie’s recruits.

You’re living completely in an IU bubble. The rest of the country would not be impressed by our recruiting. They haven’t even noticed us.

Davis, Sampson, and Crean all recruited better than Archie has so far.

What a weird way to view college basketball. Well, a few schools noticed our recruiting when the guys they were going after committed to IU. But we get it! Fab Five or bust! 4 stars are for schools that start juniors and seniors. Yuck! Lol.

 

[cryano]

What a weird way to view college basketball. Well, a few schools noticed our recruiting when the guys they were going after committed to IU. But we get it! Fab Five or bust! 4 stars are for schools that start juniors and seniors. Yuck! Lol.

The recruits could be labeled as ‘solid’ at best.
Nothing spectacular or program changing yet....

 

[TR32]

This is IU not Iowa. I don’t even know if Iowa would be bragging about Archie’s recruits.

You’re living completely in an IU bubble. The rest of the country would not be impressed by our recruiting. They haven’t even noticed us.

Davis, Sampson, and Crean all recruited better than Archie has so far.

Sampson didn't recruit a single player who graduated without a transfer.
Academic problems, drug problems, attitude problems, transfers, and one exceptional player, Eric Gordon.

Davis brought in Strickland and Bracey, Wilmont, Donald Perry, and Errek Suhr in his first couple classes. He landed Vaden and DJ in his third true class, but also, Davis took over mid-September and had a loaded team so his third class is not a fair comparison with Miller's third. Miller took over with Crean's guys already signed, even still, his third class has 3 solid signed a as it seems. I will at least bet they pan out better than Ben Allen and Jessan Ashley-Gray.

Strickland never played to his potential. Ratliff fizzled and left. Vaden left.

At least Davis brought in Kyle Taber, who actually contributed in Crean's first season.

With Crean, it wasn't recruiting as much as it was Creaning that was the problem. When Mo Creek is running around at GW as one of the conference 3pt shooters, I think it was pretty clear Crean was pushing guys out at the wrong times.


I would take Weiskamp in a heartbeat, but I bet Fran would love to have Romeo, Phinisee, and TJD to say the least.

I bet your great recruiting knowledge would have helped Michigan land the Wagner boys, yea? Such a sage when it comes to drawing that line.

 

[hondo314]

The recruits could be labeled as ‘solid’ at best.
Nothing spectacular or program changing yet....

Lol. Which ones? The highly rated kids in the last two classes or the incomplete 2020 class? Ya, pretty dumb but keep dying on this hill if it gets you off, brother. Sheeesh.

 

[TR32]

The last time IU played without returning any double digit scorers was 2013-14.

They brought in Vonleh and went 17-15, 7-11. That is about what the various pundits say will happen this year. I'm giving Archie the benefit of the doubt. I think he will do slightly better and I say about 20-10, 11-9, with a tourney birth and a solid 4 man 2020 class.

 

[rocketo]

You disregard the fact that Miller had the advantage of taking over a clean program, with a fairly experienced roster, 1 year removed from being B10 Champs.

Miller also knew the situation, supposedly turned down many other opportunities prior, and knew the expectations at Indiana and the success the previous coach had and was fired for achieving...

“1 year removed from being B10 Champs” What an irrelevant point. Your getting as a bad as some of those others. Slow your roll on blinding bashing everything.

 

[rocketo]

Good year is 11 - 9 in a down B10 w a very favorable road B10 schedule!!!!

Low Bar!!!

And there you go again. Trying to set up your exit route this time...

 

[rocketo]

Sure, focus on only one player but you disregard the fact that it was a team that was only 30 years removed from a National Championship!

/s

Ok. This made me LOL

 

[ufo33]

We might have the very worst coach in IU history. Not there yet but Archie is well on his way.

IU Football has had far worse coaches than the basketball program. Archie >Allen. Archie will likely go to the NCAA Tournament and keep his job. Allen will likely go bowl-less and be replaced in a few years. The tale of 2 sports programs that are historically on completely different levels.