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Sporting News says Temple is after our DC Bryant Haines for HC position

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Can’t blame Haines if he leaves for a head job. How many times has Cignetti said he didn’t want to be a career assistant which led to his path of taking a D2 job? If Shanahan, Haines, or both get head gigs that is awesome for them. Based on listening to Cig I wouldn’t be surprised if he promotes both jobs from within since he says he was passed over for coordinator roles many times and both guys were promoted up from within his staff. Dc just seems to be the more difficult one to figure out who the replacement would be.

Also, another nugget of information I didn’t know previously. Cig’s DC prior to Haines was hired as the DC at Minnesota this past year after spending the prior two years at Rutgers as the LB coach. I never made that connection until now. It would be interesting to see if Cig tries to lure him back if Haines leaves.
 
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If Shanahan and/or Haines leave, must keep Sunseri (as new OC), Bostad, and strength coach.

Pay Haines and Shanahan as IU coordinators more than they would make as P4 coordinators elsewhere or non-P4 head coaches. Got to do everything possible to keep this momentum going for another few years.
 
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bdhman said:
If Shanahan and/or Haines leave, must keep Sunseri (as new OC), Bostad, and strength coach.

Pay Haines and Shanahan as IU coordinators more than they would make as P4 coordinators elsewhere or non-P4 head coaches. Got to do everything possible to keep this momentum going for another few years.
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Haines makes $1.1mil as DC and Shanahan $800k as OC. I would expect both to be making closer to $1.5mil next year at Indiana. Still can't see either leaving Indiana for anything other than a HC gig.
 
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IndyResident16 said:
This seems like a wishlist from a publication I’ve never heard of (article was originally written by someone from HERO Sports). I’d think Mike Shannahan would be a more practical name for Temple given his ties to the state of Pennsylvania.
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The Sporting News used to be a very good publication and particularly loved by baseball junkies.
 
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Harry Hondo said:
Just a matter of time before these assistants get snatched up.
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Hoosiers head football coach Curt Cignetti could lose key Indiana assistant to AAC opening this offseason | Sporting News

Hoosiers head football coach Curt Cignetti may have to do some unplanned coaching hiring for his Indiana program this offseason.
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Who knows if it is true, but why would an up and coming assistant coach take that garbage job? Makes no sense. He would be better served sticking around for another year or 2, continue building his resume, and then moving on.
 
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Bowlmania said:
The Sporting News used to be a very good publication and particularly loved by baseball junkies.
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I've heard of Sporting News, they didn't publish the article. They reported on an article written by Clayton Pool of HERO Sports. I've never heard of HERO Sports or Clayton Pool. Clayton Pool of HERO Sports is the one who came up with Temple's coaching search, not Sporting News.
 
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Walt542 said:
Indiana could have been considered a garbage job before Cig got here. These guys think differently.
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The major difference is that Indiana just got a massive boost in tv revenue and super conference. Plus a huge commitment from the university to improve facilities and a significant boost to NIL from local businesses. Cignetti never would have come but for those facts. He said as much after he was hired.
 
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Mark Milton said:
Who knows if it is true, but why would an up and coming assistant coach take that garbage job? Makes no sense. He would be better served sticking around for another year or 2, continue building his resume, and then moving on.
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Just keep in mind they said the same thing about Cig on just about every job he took other than JMU. It worked out okay for him, but I do agree. If Haines isn’t ready to take that kind of job it could be the “kiss of death” as Cig said in one of those podcasts. Sometimes you have to bet on yourself and even if he has to take a pay cut it could be a lucrative opportunity as he likely isn’t getting hired to a program like USC out of a coordinator role. Some coaches have gone to a program like Temple and succeeded well enough to get a better opportunity. I’m not saying I want him to leave as I would love to keep the staff together for a few years, but if I were a coach aspiring to be the head guy I would look to go when my opportunity is greatest. I don’t think there is a better opportunity for them than now. We are the biggest story in college football. You would have to be living under a rock to not know about what this team has accomplished and that puts a spotlight on our coaching staff.
 
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Haines makes $1.1mil as DC and Shanahan $800k as OC. I would expect both to be making closer to $1.5mil next year at Indiana. Still can't see either leaving Indiana for anything other than a HC gig.
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I hope the coordinators salary moves to 2M+ each & thus untouchable for most schools. Bring Coach Cig's to 8-10M. They're easily worth it.
 
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olympian97 said:
Just keep in mind they said the same thing about Cig on just about every job he took other than JMU. It worked out okay for him, but I do agree. If Haines isn’t ready to take that kind of job it could be the “kiss of death” as Cig said in one of those podcasts. Sometimes you have to bet on yourself and even if he has to take a pay cut it could be a lucrative opportunity as he likely isn’t getting hired to a program like USC out of a coordinator role. Some coaches have gone to a program like Temple and succeeded well enough to get a better opportunity. I’m not saying I want him to leave as I would love to keep the staff together for a few years, but if I were a coach aspiring to be the head guy I would look to go when my opportunity is greatest. I don’t think there is a better opportunity for them than now. We are the biggest story in college football. You would have to be living under a rock to not know about what this team has accomplished and that puts a spotlight on our coaching staff.
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I've always figured Haines would be a leading candidate at his alma mater, Ball State. Mike Neu has one winning season in 8 years and is currently 3-6 this year. Have to imagine that job becomes open sooner than later.
 
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Just keep in mind they said the same thing about Cig on just about every job he took other than JMU. It worked out okay for him, but I do agree. If Haines isn’t ready to take that kind of job it could be the “kiss of death” as Cig said in one of those podcasts. Sometimes you have to bet on yourself and even if he has to take a pay cut it could be a lucrative opportunity as he likely isn’t getting hired to a program like USC out of a coordinator role. Some coaches have gone to a program like Temple and succeeded well enough to get a better opportunity. I’m not saying I want him to leave as I would love to keep the staff together for a few years, but if I were a coach aspiring to be the head guy I would look to go when my opportunity is greatest. I don’t think there is a better opportunity for them than now. We are the biggest story in college football. You would have to be living under a rock to not know about what this team has accomplished and that puts a spotlight on our coaching staff.
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I understand what you are saying, but it is far more likely that Cig, who coached under Saban, his dad a hall of fame coach, his brother a big time coach, is the outlier. All short soccer players can't be Lionel Messi. In fact, no one can. @mcmurtry66 knows what I'm talking about.

The black swan event is Dolson and the president, almost 2 years ago went on a mission to find out why schools succeed at football other than the obvious--commitment; Allen continues to perform poorly and Cignetti was called the day of the firing. Very hard to emulate special coaches--I think Cignetti is a very special coach. That is not to say Haines or anyone else won't be successful at a school like Temple, but I'm guessing that it would be hard road to hoe.
 
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I hope the coordinators salary moves to 2M+ each & thus untouchable for most schools. Bring Coach Cig's to 8-10M. They're easily worth it.
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Ticket sales last year were 10.3 mil. Surely they must be at 15 mil this year. Plus concessions, etc. The national exposure, etc must be bringing in additional revenue. Plus, we have an extra home game this year.

It should be a no brainer to reinvest those monies into the staff. I would also assume that the big donors have no intention of letting Cig go.
 
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Mark Milton said:
Ticket sales last year were 10.3 mil. Surely they must be at 15 mil this year. Plus concessions, etc. The national exposure, etc must be bringing in additional revenue. Plus, we have an extra home game this year.

It should be a no brainer to reinvest those monies into the staff. I would also assume that the big donors have no intention of letting Cig go.
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I saw a report that all the exposure (Big Noon, GameDay, TV ratings) is estimated to be worth $4-5M already.

In addition to gameday rev, it will be very interesting to see how much donations increase (athletic dept and NIL).

Anyways, as we know FB is the one sport with a great ROI, and we should keep investing in it aggressively. Fingers crossed.
 
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Mark Milton said:
It should be a no brainer to reinvest those monies into the staff. I would also assume that the big donors have no intention of letting Cig go.
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I've read somewhere IU has been in work in recent weeks, a month ... working out a new contract for Coach Cig and I am sure revenue in that contract will be increased for the staff as well. They know they have struck gold with this hire that will produce more than his salary not only in athletic but the academic side.

Data shows when basketball or football teams are tops in the nation, school enrollment increases.
 
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Mark Milton said:
Ticket sales last year were 10.3 mil. Surely they must be at 15 mil this year. Plus concessions, etc. The national exposure, etc must be bringing in additional revenue. Plus, we have an extra home game this year.

It should be a no brainer to reinvest those monies into the staff. I would also assume that the big donors have no intention of letting Cig go.
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I wouldn't be so sure that they don't see some of it at least as funding for basketball.
 
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Mark Milton said:
Ticket sales last year were 10.3 mil. Surely they must be at 15 mil this year. Plus concessions, etc. The national exposure, etc must be bringing in additional revenue. Plus, we have an extra home game this year.

It should be a no brainer to reinvest those monies into the staff. I would also assume that the big donors have no intention of letting Cig go.
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Is it even known if the OC and DC are looking at becoming a head coach?

I wouldn't think it would be out of the realm of possibility that if the pay was bumped, they would be happy here. Maybe the headaches of becoming a head coach isn't worth it!

Probably not but....
 
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Just keep in mind they said the same thing about Cig on just about every job he took other than JMU. It worked out okay for him, but I do agree. If Haines isn’t ready to take that kind of job it could be the “kiss of death” as Cig said in one of those podcasts. Sometimes you have to bet on yourself and even if he has to take a pay cut it could be a lucrative opportunity as he likely isn’t getting hired to a program like USC out of a coordinator role. Some coaches have gone to a program like Temple and succeeded well enough to get a better opportunity. I’m not saying I want him to leave as I would love to keep the staff together for a few years, but if I were a coach aspiring to be the head guy I would look to go when my opportunity is greatest. I don’t think there is a better opportunity for them than now. We are the biggest story in college football. You would have to be living under a rock to not know about what this team has accomplished and that puts a spotlight on our coaching staff.
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Something I also wonder is how much more of a gamble it might be to take one of these programs as we creep closer to the notion of super conferences. Will the schools that are on the outside looking in be able to continue paying what they are now, and will coaches at these lower levels be able to take a step up without the exposure they’re currently provided? It is one thing for Cig to bet on himself when the system is stable. It is quite another for a coach to make that gamble when the system is in flux and you don’t know what it might look like 5-10 years down the road.
 
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EvansvilleHoosier88 said:
Something I also wonder is how much more of a gamble it might be to take one of these programs as we creep closer to the notion of super conferences. Will the schools that are on the outside looking in be able to continue paying what they are now, and will coaches at these lower levels be able to take a step up without the exposure there currently provided? It is one thing for Cig to bet on himself when the system is stable. It is quite another for a coach to make that gamble when the system is in flux and you don’t know what it might look like 5-10 years down the road.
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I don't know that much about it but the court case about NIL is 3-5 years away from an answer based on the UVA coach's retirement speech. Also how does this latest NCAA profit sharing work. I would think eventually the money will be on a level playing field, not counting all the new behind the scene deals. The door is open for big buck and IMO they will get their money one way or another no matter what the rules.
 
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IndyResident16 said:
Haines nor Shannahan are going to leave Cignetti for a lateral position, even at a school like Oklahoma. They’ve been with Cignetti the whole way. It’s very likely that whoever Oklahoma hires as OC this offseason will be out of a job within a year.
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He might have meant that Oklahoma might come after one of them to be their new HC... That would be tough to counter...

I think we'll be able to keep the band together when it comes to competing against bottom tier jobs like Temple (as a HC), versus their betting on themselves for the near future (that they can keep INDIANA playing at a high level for the next 3 years) and Then they can take their pick of jobs (and dictate the contract terms) rather than grabbing the first thing to come available...
 
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He might have meant that Oklahoma might come after one of them to be their new HC... That would be tough to counter...
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Don't know if Oklahoma is going to go the coordinator route after the disaster that has been Venables. And Venables was one of the most highly regarded coordinators in college football when he was hired. Haines and Shanahan each have one year of P5 coordinator experience, Norman would riot if either of those two were strongly considered for their head coaching vacancy.
 
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I agree with You. Temple is primarily a Basketball School, and I think They have been at least 3 if not 4 different Conferences for football over the past 15 years including the MAC. Temple has never had consistent success in football. I have never been to their campus, but I understand it is a Concrete Jungle. Building after building in a large City and in a very dangerous section of Philadelphia. No campus atmosphere like We are used to in the Midwest at places like Bloomington, Madison or even East Lansing. If You go there, You better be able to recruit Philly, Pennsylvania and maybe the Southern corridor towards Baltimore. You will probably end up with kids Who want to be close to Home to play in front of family and friends. You will have trouble recruiting nationally, and I'm not sure what kind of NIL situation You would walk into.
 
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I agree with You. Temple is primarily a Basketball School, and I think They have been at least 3 if not 4 different Conferences for football over the past 15 years including the MAC. Temple has never had consistent success in football. I have never been to their campus, but I understand it is a Concrete Jungle. Building after building in a large City and in a very dangerous section of Philadelphia. No campus atmosphere like We are used to in the Midwest at places like Bloomington, Madison or even East Lansing. If You go there, You better be able to recruit Philly, Pennsylvania and maybe the Southern corridor towards Baltimore. You will probably end up with kids Who want to be close to Home to play in front of family and friends. You will have trouble recruiting nationally, and I'm not sure what kind of NIL situation You would walk into.
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Was Rod Carey there?

And fired?
 
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