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Something they probably didn't think about at NU

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I'm sure everyone here remembers the effort a few years ago that began at Northwestern to pay college athletes. And I am aware that many see this as the solution to corruption in college sports.
Personally, I remain unconvinced about this, but I'll save that for another day. Today, here is something I'll bet they didn't think about at NU, a few years ago.
If we start paying college athletes, then, legally, they are university employees as much as they are students. And there are certain things that go along with that which I'm pretty sure no one has considered.
Let's take Mr. Ellison's case, just because he is the most recent example.
He allegedly did something -- what, we do not know -- and CTA decided it was serious enough to suspend him indefinitely. And that is that.
But, if the university paid Mr. Ellison, CTA could not just up and suspend him. Instead, he would have to hold what's called an executive session of some committee -- probably CTA and at least a few, if not all of his assistants. He would have to properly advertise that closed-door meeting and send notices to every media outlet requesting such notices.
Then, he would have to wait at least two days before holding this meeting. At the meeting, the coaches/committee could discuss any allegations involving Mr. Ellison -- and nothing else. They would have to keep a record of that discussion, although that record would be minimal and offer no real details.
Then, CTA would have to advertise an open meeting of the committee/coaches and advertise that meeting and send notices to all media outlets requesting it. At that meeting, the committee/coaches would have to vote, on the record and in public, on Mr. Ellison's status as an athlete/employee of the university. That would happen in a meeting open to the public and anyone who wished could attend that meeting and record the vote.
And Mr. Ellison's status as an athlete/employee would not change until that public vote was taken.
Just something to think about when we consider paying college athletes.
 
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I don't really care. I just want student athletes paid. I would agree that there should be some procedural steps, but I don't see why the procedures couldn't be made more suitable for the student athlete scenario.
 
I don't really care. I just want student athletes paid. I would agree that there should be some procedural steps, but I don't see why the procedures couldn't be made more suitable for the student athlete scenario.
Because there is simply no law for that, so they would fall under existing law.
 
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I don't really care. I just want student athletes paid. I would agree that there should be some procedural steps, but I don't see why the procedures couldn't be made more suitable for the student athlete scenario.
If athletes get paid do they need to start paying for school, food, housing, clothes, books, iPads, medical insurance? Because right now they pay for none of this.
 
There is no way athletes should be paid. No way. To me, they are already getting paid; tuition. At a private institution that can be well over $60K. I agree with Palmbeach, if they get paid, they should pay their own tuition like everyone else.
 
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There is no way athletes should be paid. No way. To me, they are already getting paid; tuition. At a private institution that can be well over $60K. I agree with Palmbeach, if they get paid, they should pay their own tuition like everyone else.

I think the idea of players getting paid by the university is unnecessary. I also don't think that is what players or arguments have truly been about. What they are asking for is merely to own their own likeness. Selling autographs is ok for a kid on an academic scholarship but not for an athlete. Why? EA Sports stopped making a video game that brought in almost 60 million back in 2012 due to NCAA not renewing the contract out of fear of being sued. Well why not take that money and instead offer it to the players to use their likeness? There is a lot of money that players could get access to at NO cost to universities and it would eliminate the conversation. This student athlete conversation is ridiculous because other students can live by different rules.
 
I'm sure everyone here remembers the effort a few years ago that began at Northwestern to pay college athletes. And I am aware that many see this as the solution to corruption in college sports.
Personally, I remain unconvinced about this, but I'll save that for another day. Today, here is something I'll bet they didn't think about at NU, a few years ago.
If we start paying college athletes, then, legally, they are university employees as much as they are students. And there are certain things that go along with that which I'm pretty sure no one has considered.
Let's take Mr. Ellison's case, just because he is the most recent example.
He allegedly did something -- what, we do not know -- and CTA decided it was serious enough to suspend him indefinitely. And that is that.
But, if the university paid Mr. Ellison, CTA could not just up and suspend him. Instead, he would have to hold what's called an executive session of some committee -- probably CTA and at least a few, if not all of his assistants. He would have to properly advertise that closed-door meeting and send notices to every media outlet requesting such notices.
Then, he would have to wait at least two days before holding this meeting. At the meeting, the coaches/committee could discuss any allegations involving Mr. Ellison -- and nothing else. They would have to keep a record of that discussion, although that record would be minimal and offer no real details.
Then, CTA would have to advertise an open meeting of the committee/coaches and advertise that meeting and send notices to all media outlets requesting it. At that meeting, the committee/coaches would have to vote, on the record and in public, on Mr. Ellison's status as an athlete/employee of the university. That would happen in a meeting open to the public and anyone who wished could attend that meeting and record the vote.
And Mr. Ellison's status as an athlete/employee would not change until that public vote was taken.
Just something to think about when we consider paying college athletes.
In reality, human resource issues like the ones you’ve described aren’t subject to sunshine laws, especially when they relate to work related discipline.
 
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I don't really care. I just want student athletes paid. I would agree that there should be some procedural steps, but I don't see why the procedures couldn't be made more suitable for the student athlete scenario.
They are paid quit well and don't know many college students who make over $30.000 a year plus all the extra benefits that student athletes get.
 
I’m all for paying athletes if and only if the recruiting process is overhauled and we go to an full-on NCAA draft. That’s right. The players will be paid but schools will now have a draft just like the NFL. 80 rounds, whatever it takes to work through all the top players and the player will get paid but they won’t have a say in where they go to school. If IU wants to use their top draft pick on the #1 QB in the country, we get him. It’s no longer about academics. Maybe we don’t even make them go to class. It’s their choice if they want a degree. They get paid. They have an opportunity to go to class, maybe not of the school of their choosing or the coach they want to play for but it would be just like the NFL. It’s about getting paid. There doesn’t need to be academics involved to qualify.
 
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In reality, human resource issues like the ones you’ve described aren’t subject to sunshine laws, especially when they relate to work related discipline.
In Indiana, the discussion of personnel issues can be done behind closed doors. But, the governing body cannot reach any conclusions about what actions they may or may not take. That must be done in a public session.
 
In Indiana, the discussion of personnel issues can be done behind closed doors. But, the governing body cannot reach any conclusions about what actions they may or may not take. That must be done in a public session.
So a workplace disciplinary issue resulting in punishment (chronic absence issues with an employee) must be addressed in public, for all to hear and know?
 
So a workplace disciplinary issue resulting in punishment (chronic absence issues with an employee) must be addressed in public, for all to hear and know?
A board can gather information on the alleged infraction/problem in the closed-door executive session. When the board meets in public session a member makes a motion to take some action involving the employee and a vote is held. Unless the board members are incompetent, there is no discussion whatsoever about the alleged misconduct or problem. Simply, a motion like: "I move to suspend John Doe for two months."
 
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