Soccer

[kraft cheese+macaroni]

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Happened in October, so whatever dbmhoosier level account you’re following is a little behind the times.

Apparently he’s cool with convicted child rapists though, because his brother in law is one. Steven van de Velde. Seems very on brand for the right wing.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Happened in October, so whatever dbmhoosier level account you’re following is a little behind the times.

Apparently he’s cool with convicted child rapists though, because his brother in law is one. Steven van de Velde. Seems very on brand for the right wing.

Probably because it's pride month. Weird that you are nowhere to be found in other threads where we're talking about Islamic pedophilia frequency in Europe.

 

[kraft cheese+macaroni]

Probably because it's pride month. Weird that you are nowhere to be found in other threads where we're talking about Islamic pedophilia frequency in Europe.

I’m sure that’s a topic near and dear to your heart

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

I’m sure that’s a topic near and dear to your heart

Sorry for caring about modern society and our freedom

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Dakich proves even a broken clock…

 

[mcmurtry66]

Dakich proves even a broken clock…

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Man he’s totally bald. Haven’t seen him in so long. But yes a solid group of 14 yr old boys should beat adult women

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Man he’s totally bald. Haven’t seen him in so long. But yes a solid group of 14 yr old boys should beat adult women

To be clear, this is basically the uswnt losing to Sporting KC’s 15U team.

 

[BradStevens]

Well, I don’t think the extremes you pointed out are applicable. I think at young age groups, maybe 11 and 12 and under should be developmental based. With rare exception is the best player at age 10 the best player at age 15.

I also think that if your son or daughter is playing at a B team, the coach should focus on nothing but development even at the high school level.

If you can breed development into your club and work on the fundamentals, there isn’t anything bad that could happen. I see so many parents ruin sports for their kids, it’s just insane. Let them have fun and enjoy the game. Once they do, the rest of it takes care of itself. I’m very much along the lines of a Pete Carroll head coach. Work hard and enjoy the game.

I did coach high school football for a couple years. It was one of the worst experiences I’ve ever had. Parents absolutely ruined it. Show me a parent was constantly chirping in their kids ear, and I’ll show you a kid who will be quitting within two years

Show me a coach who makes players run laps, and I’ll show you a coach who is all out of ideas.

I think the first goal in any sport is to make sure the kids have fun. You can still work them hard, you can still criticize, but if they ain’t having fun, they ain’t gonna play. Winning at age 10 is bullshit. Sooner or later, you’re gonna have to win, but it doesn’t need to start at such early ages where parents ruined it for kids. The long, angry car rides home. Yelling at the kid at the dinner table after the game. 100% sport killers.

For boys to have fun, they need and want competition, in my experience. I don't think that has anything to do with the parents, although parents can make it worse. So making it all about development would be no fun. But I'm definitely down with the notion of practicing much more.

For a little league, it might end at 12. The thing people have to remember is that for a majority of those kids, that's it for them--they won't be able to play beyond 12. Little League takes all comers. And most of them will remember those days, even if they are terrible. My buddies and I still bust each other's balls about games from when we were 10 (although we also later played in high school).

It's the travel teams and all-star teams that screw everything up where I'm at. Parents go nuts about their kids making or not making certain teams, and it starts as young as 8. It's insane. I heard a podcast where one guy was talking about one of the nordic countries where they won't have any state tournament in any sport for kids under age 15 or so. I think that makes a lot of sense. Keep stuff regional.

From my experience, soccer was worse because you had to try out to get on a team from a very young age.

I consider high school sports an entirely different animal. Sucks you had that experience.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

For boys to have fun, they need and want competition, in my experience

This. My middle kid finished first grade. I don’t know what happened between kindergarten and this past year, but the entire group of boys suddenly became hyper competitive - caring about winning and scores, talking trash, celebrating, arguing with coaches and refs.

Obviously, watching others impacts their behavior, but this competitive mentality was not fostered by parents or by the coaches (I coached flag football).

They want to keep score and were focused on winning, even when parents, coaches and others weren’t. And it goes beyond leagues - they’re still competing on the playground. It’s fun to see while also frustrating.

But, clearly there are biological factors at play.

 

[BradStevens]

This. My middle kid finished first grade. I don’t know what happened between kindergarten and this past year, but the entire group of boys suddenly became hyper competitive - caring about winning and scores, talking trash, celebrating, arguing with coaches and refs.

Obviously, watching others impacts their behavior, but this competitive mentality was not fostered by parents or by the coaches (I coached flag football).

They want to keep score and were focused on winning, even when parents, coaches and others weren’t. And it goes beyond leagues - they’re still competing on the playground. It’s fun to see while also frustrating.

But, clearly there are biological factors at play.

It’s pretty incredible to see.

Minor leagues in little league (9-10) is pretty much a season-long crying session. After every strike out, most of the parents and coaches are all looking at each other thinking “please don’t cry. Please don’t cry.”

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

It’s pretty incredible to see.

Minor leagues in little league (9-10) is pretty much a season-long crying session. After every strike out, most of the parents and coaches are all looking at each other thinking “please don’t cry. Please don’t cry.”

We have a kid on the team who cries over everything unless he runs for TD. He'll run for 75% of the field and get his flag pulled and then he's off throwing a tantrum on the sideline while I sub a new kid in. It's somewhat funny to me.

 

[BradStevens]

We have a kid on the team who cries over everything unless he runs for TD. He'll run for 75% of the field and get his flag pulled and then he's off throwing a tantrum on the sideline while I sub a new kid in. It's somewhat funny to me.

Tough to like those types of kids.

 

[Eppy99]

Tough to like those types of kids.

My current 15 year old kid used to play soccer when she was like kindergarten to 3rd grade. She used to get pissed off when someone wouldn't pass the ball or she didn't get what she wanted on the field. It was definetly immature behavior, but probably age appropriate and eventually grew out of that embarrasing temper tantrum. Now she's just a 15 year old annoying snot. (Actually she's a great kid. She's my softball, wrestler and now cross country runner with the goal of attending the Naval Academy).

How old are these kids that are having temper tantrums?

 

[mcmurtry66]

My current 15 year old kid used to play soccer when she was like kindergarten to 3rd grade. She used to get pissed off when someone wouldn't pass the ball or she didn't get what she wanted on the field. It was definetly immature behavior, but probably age appropriate and eventually grew out of that embarrasing temper tantrum. Now she's just a 15 year old annoying snot. (Actually she's a great kid. She's my softball, wrestler and now cross country runner with the goal of attending the Naval Academy).

How old are these kids that are having temper tantrums?

Big time Eppy!!!

My daughter is 14 and the worst athlete I’ve ever seen. She starts high school in the fall and said she wants to play lacrosse with her friends. It’s listed as a “no cut” sport. We’re going to test that promise….

 

[BradStevens]

Big time Eppy!!!

My daughter is 14 and the worst athlete I’ve ever seen. She starts high school in the fall and said she wants to play lacrosse with her friends. It’s listed as a “no cut” sport. We’re going to test that promise….

That is going to be a hilarious disaster. Lacrosse is physical!

She ever try tennis? Can be low key, and no contact or aggression needed.

 

[mcmurtry66]

That is going to be a hilarious disaster. Lacrosse is physical!

She ever try tennis? Can be low key, and no contact or aggression needed.

Yes with her own personal tennis coach with lessons. Was awful

 

[BradStevens]

Yes with her own personal tennis coach with lessons. Was awful

Enjoy the ride. Good for her she wants to try.

 

[Eppy99]

Tough to like those types of kids.

My current 15 year old kid used to play soccer when she was like kindergarten to 3rd grade. She used to get pissed off when someone wouldn't pass the ball or she didn't get what she wanted on the field. It was definetly immature behavior, but probably age appropriate and eventually grew out of that embarrasing temper tantrum. Now she's just a 15 year old annoying snot. (Actually she's a great kid. She's my softball, wrestler and now cross country runner with the goal of attending the Naval Academy).

How old are these kids that are having temper tantrums?

Big time Eppy!!!

My daughter is 14 and the worst athlete I’ve ever seen. She starts high school in the fall and said she wants to play lacrosse with her friends. It’s listed as a “no cut” sport. We’re going to test that promise….

If there's one sport entering high school I'd reccomend for any kid it's cross country. You don't have to be competitive. The greatest accomplishment is making your own personal records. My middle daughter ran for 4 years and never made the varsity. She was happy enough beating her own times. Plus it was a great way to make new friends. The first year she only finished one 5k, it was a big achievement. Whats helpful is to find other runner at your pace. Great non-cut sport and don't need any running experience.

 

[iuwclurker]

Yes with her own personal tennis coach with lessons. Was awful

Maybe she should transition to …. 😈

 

[mcmurtry66]

My current 15 year old kid used to play soccer when she was like kindergarten to 3rd grade. She used to get pissed off when someone wouldn't pass the ball or she didn't get what she wanted on the field. It was definetly immature behavior, but probably age appropriate and eventually grew out of that embarrasing temper tantrum. Now she's just a 15 year old annoying snot. (Actually she's a great kid. She's my softball, wrestler and now cross country runner with the goal of attending the Naval Academy).

How old are these kids that are having temper tantrums?

If there's one sport entering high school I'd reccomend for any kid it's cross country. You don't have to be competitive. The greatest accomplishment is making your own personal records. My middle daughter ran for 4 years and never made the varsity. She was happy enough beating her own times. Plus it was a great way to make new friends. The first year she only finished one 5k, it was a big achievement. Whats helpful is to find other runner at your pace. Great non-cut sport and don't need any running experience.

She ran a sixteen minute mile. And she has zero body fat

 

[Mark Milton]

It's the travel teams and all-star teams that screw everything up where I'm at. Parents go nuts about their kids making or not making certain teams, and it starts as young as 8. It's insane. I heard a podcast where one guy was talking about one of the nordic countries where they won't have any state tournament in any sport for kids under age 15 or so. I think that makes a lot of sense. Keep stuff regional.

Travel leagues start at age 5 for soccer.

this past weekend my oldest kid and I went through all his team photos from U6 through U18. We then went and identified the worst parents on each team. By U10 or before, every player he played with quit playing soccer. Not surprisingly, all but one set of parents were assholes.

U11-through U13 were the pre-academy years. Half the kids still played soccer by the time they were 18. Perfect correlation between cunty parents and drop out rate. U14-18 were the academy years. Half the players went on to play college somewhere. The other half stopped playing soccer. All but one set of parents of those that stopped playing soccer were awful (politicking, yelling at their kid during practice and games, talking smack about the coach to their kid.

I could go on and on.

Kids know when they have a bad game or practice and know when they don't. Don't have to say a word to them. They tend to be loyal to their coach no matter, until mommy and dad start shit talking the coach at home. How about this one "dammit Conner, that was a bad lose. Not sure how you can live with yourself after that performance". Nice going ox.

 

[BradStevens]

Travel leagues start at age 5 for soccer.

this past weekend my oldest kid and I went through all his team photos from U6 through U18. We then went and identified the worst parents on each team. By U10 or before, every player he played with quit playing soccer. Not surprisingly, all but one set of parents were assholes.

U11-through U13 were the pre-academy years. Half the kids still played soccer by the time they were 18. Perfect correlation between cunty parents and drop out rate. U14-18 were the academy years. Half the players went on to play college somewhere. The other half stopped playing soccer. All but one set of parents of those that stopped playing soccer were awful (politicking, yelling at their kid during practice and games, talking smack about the coach to their kid.

I could go on and on.

Kids know when they have a bad game or practice and know when they don't. Don't have to say a word to them. They tend to be loyal to their coach no matter, until mommy and dad start shit talking the coach at home. How about this one "dammit Conner, that was a bad lose. Not sure how you can live with yourself after that performance". Nice going ox.

Yeah that stuff sucks.

Lots of kids quit whatever sport, though, because they don’t make the top or second top travel team. And for the parents, kinda hard to blame them. If your kid isn’t great, why spend thousands on a team?

I mean “travel” teams at 5? That’s ridiculous. Whatever happened to park/rec leagues?

 

[kraft cheese+macaroni]

Travel leagues start at age 5 for soccer.

this past weekend my oldest kid and I went through all his team photos from U6 through U18. We then went and identified the worst parents on each team. By U10 or before, every player he played with quit playing soccer. Not surprisingly, all but one set of parents were assholes.

U11-through U13 were the pre-academy years. Half the kids still played soccer by the time they were 18. Perfect correlation between cunty parents and drop out rate. U14-18 were the academy years. Half the players went on to play college somewhere. The other half stopped playing soccer. All but one set of parents of those that stopped playing soccer were awful (politicking, yelling at their kid during practice and games, talking smack about the coach to their kid.

I could go on and on.

Kids know when they have a bad game or practice and know when they don't. Don't have to say a word to them. They tend to be loyal to their coach no matter, until mommy and dad start shit talking the coach at home. How about this one "dammit Conner, that was a bad lose. Not sure how you can live with yourself after that performance". Nice going ox.

That’s the exact opposite of my experience from U10-U18. I could probably count on one finger the number of cunty parents we encountered. And frankly they weren’t cunty, just not interested in camaraderie with the rest of the parents.

 

[IUINSB]

I mean “travel” teams at 5? That’s ridiculous. Whatever happened to park/rec leagues?

No money in it. Any travel organization that has more than two teams per age group is a rip off.

 

[mcmurtry66]

No money in it. Any organization that has more than two teams per age group is a rip off.

I played for Busch. One team per age group. If you didn’t make the team that was it. And it was free. And you played one tournament out of town per year. You ate at Pizza Hut and got pitchers of Mountain Dew. And stayed in a holidome. Same for my friends. Friends who represent the most successful us World Cup teams in decades. We played odp for a select group (great 3 number t shirts) and national camps for a very select group.

I’ve been closely involved in youth soccer for 47 years. It’s a career choice for people who love soccer and the families are their customers

 

[IUINSB]

I played for Busch. One team per age group. If you didn’t make the team that was it. And it was free. And you played one tournament out of town per year. You ate at Pizza Hut and got pitchers of Mountain Dew. And stayed in a holidome. Same for my friends. Friends who represent the most successful us World Cup teams in decades. We played odp for a select group (great 3 number t shirts) and national camps for a very select group.

I’ve been closely involved in youth soccer for 47 years. It’s a career choice for people who love soccer and the families are their customers

That is the type of program I admire.
When I was a kid nobody, and I mean nobody, played soccer.

 

[mcmurtry66]

That is the type of program I admire.
When I was a kid nobody, and I mean nobody, played soccer.

Those programs are dead

 

[IUINSB]

Those programs are dead

True. Little League in the South Bend-Elkhart area is dying.

 

[BradStevens]

That is the type of program I admire.
When I was a kid nobody, and I mean nobody, played soccer.

It was a better time, for sure.

 

[BradStevens]

True. Little League in the South Bend-Elkhart area is dying.

My stomping grounds!