Bill O’Reilly? Lol. I thought he got fired…. Sure that’s where I’d go to get the truth.
So was it okay for Biden,
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Maybe you’ve heard of this guy Donald Trump? Wait until you see what the history books have to say about him, his corrupt family, and the people he conned into voting for him. Hint: it won’t be pretty.
Many drs disagree along with Scott Adams’s, who had the exact same thing happen to him.
Divorce? Lol sure thing. That’s about as likely as Melania and Trump actually living together.
He still has the potential to go down in history as one of our greatest presidents. Now, wouldn’t that rankle the liberal Dems like an open wound kept festering.
Oh my goodness. You live in LaLa land. But we all knew that. He will go down as one of the very worst, most incompetent and the international laughing stock that he’s always been. What other President has world leaders laugh at him in his face?
When he dropped out, do you think Biden was capable of independent living? If he were your dad, would you have been okay with him living alone?
It didn't have to, he hasn't been checked in 7 years. They never checked it while he was president.
Joe Biden was last screened for prostate cancer in 2014 before diagnosis
Joe Biden was never screened for prostate cancer during his four years as president, following medical recommendations for men 70 or older.
www.usatoday.com
I gave direct links to muliple peer reviewed research studies that you choose to ignore.
Summary: in 20-30% of men, prostate cancer is not foreshadowed by elevated PSA levels. That number is higher still in men over 70.
These are facts.
Don't be dbm or a Lucy.
Exactly. My only contention has been with people saying this just occurred. It didn’t. He has had this for awhile it just wasn’t diagnosed. Probably because of his age. It would be interesting to see medication history for the last 7 years.It didn't have to, he hasn't been checked in 7 years. They never checked it while he was president.
Joe Biden was last screened for prostate cancer in 2014 before diagnosis
Joe Biden was never screened for prostate cancer during his four years as president, following medical recommendations for men 70 or older.www.usatoday.com
How would they know…he hasn’t had psa checked in 7 years per link from Marv?
But that also means a cover-up is not necessary. It also means the PSA guidelines need changed.
Biden was sharp as a tack don’t let the right wing propaganda fool you.
Law of large numbers and all, maybe it doesn't. But with him and Adams both having this fast growing cancer sure makes it seem more prevalent.
If true and not another of our “trusted” government coverups, Biden’s doctor needs to lose his medical license for wrongful neglect. I’ve had a PSA blood screening and finger up my ass annually for the last 20 years and I’m Abraxis Nobody in full name. You’re trying to tell me the leader of the Free World, at his age, hasn’t had it checked in seven years? I smell another rotten egg in the face of the Democratic Party, already in shambles.It didn't have to, he hasn't been checked in 7 years. They never checked it while he was president.
Joe Biden was last screened for prostate cancer in 2014 before diagnosis
Joe Biden was never screened for prostate cancer during his four years as president, following medical recommendations for men 70 or older.www.usatoday.com
Hmm, this says PSA treatment should NOT happen to people over 70
Recommendation: Prostate Cancer: Screening | United States Preventive Services Taskforce
www.uspreventiveservicestaskforce.org
The American Cancer Society seem to be in to coverup too:
Because prostate cancer often grows slowly, men without symptoms of prostate cancer who have less than a 10-year life expectancy should not be offered prostate cancer screening, because they aren’t likely to benefit from it. Overall health status, and not age alone, is important when making decisions about screening.
American Cancer Society Recommendations for Prostate Cancer Early Detection
The American Cancer Society (ACS) recommends that men have a chance to make an informed decision with their health care provider about whether to be screened for prostate cancer.
www.cancer.org
So it appears Biden's doctor was going by the book.
That’s not what Zeke said.
Can you link again? I looked on your list and can’t find the links.
My understanding is that the problem with old-guy PSA is over treatment, not under treatment.
I would be very surprised if he was asymptomatic. If he was symptomatic then a psa would have been warranted.
Hopkins said 7 years ago to not stop testing. Old guys have more metastatic prostate cancer, than population share because of too little testing, not too much. I simply don’t believe he hasn’t been tested in 14 years. I was tested 6 months ago and didn’t know it until I looked at my on-line test results. The doc just sent me a message that all blood tests were normal.Hmm, this says PSA treatment should NOT happen to people over 70
Recommendation: Prostate Cancer: Screening | United States Preventive Services Taskforce
The American Cancer Society seem to be in to coverup too:
Because prostate cancer often grows slowly, men without symptoms of prostate cancer who have less than a 10-year life expectancy should not be offered prostate cancer screening, because they aren’t likely to benefit from it. Overall health status, and not age alone, is important when making decisions about screening.American Cancer Society Recommendations for Prostate Cancer Early Detection
The American Cancer Society (ACS) recommends that men have a chance to make an informed decision with their health care provider about whether to be screened for prostate cancer.
So it appears Biden's doctor was going by the book.
Healthy Men Over 75: Don't Stop PSA Screening
Hopkins said 7 years ago to not stop testing. Old guys have more metastatic prostate cancer, than population share because of too little testing, not too much. I simply don’t believe he hasn’t been tested in 14 years. I was tested 6 months ago and didn’t know it until I looked at my on-line test results. The doc just sent me a message that all blood tests were normal.
Healthy Men Over 75: Don't Stop PSA Screening
www.hopkinsmedicine.org
I would think that a POTUS would get prostate screening regardless. But that's just a layman's opinion.
I don't have a good reason to doubt their 2014 claim. Yes, I know Biden's camp was lying about his mental acuity. But that's a different thing than a cancer diagnosis.
post #59, this thread
So was it okay for Biden,
Coh is spot on. It colors your objectivity re the left and has for the last four years. This iteration under Biden including Biden is every bit as despicable as Trump. Trump and Biden are birds of a feather. I dislike MAGA culture even more than I dislike Trump. Their behavior is encouraged by...
indiana.forums.rivals.com
executive summary
1) In 20-30% of ALL men, the number varying depending on which study, prostate cancer develops despite PSA levels in the normal range.
2) when you limit the analysis to men over 70, prostate cancer develops despite PSA levels in the normal range ~50% of the time
3) This finding led to recommendations for doctors to not even do PSA tests on men over 70 and instead regularly ask detailed questions of the patient about SYMPTOMS such as urination frequency, incomplete bladder emptying, urge incontinence
4) Point 3 explains why Biden didn't have PSA test done: it is not predictive of prostate cancer with more than a coin flip certainty and he reported no symptoms, apparently
5) There have been proposals to refine the PSA analysis guidelines, such as to consider smaller upward changes in the PSA numbers as a "red flag", even if the new number still qualifies as being in the "normal" range. These haven't been adopted, however.
... the more you know...
Prostate cancer with mets to the bone…very unlikely he was asymptomatic. You might want to break out your Steve Alford analogypost #59, this thread
So was it okay for Biden,
Coh is spot on. It colors your objectivity re the left and has for the last four years. This iteration under Biden including Biden is every bit as despicable as Trump. Trump and Biden are birds of a feather. I dislike MAGA culture even more than I dislike Trump. Their behavior is encouraged by...
executive summary
1) In 20-30% of ALL men, the number varying depending on which study, prostate cancer develops despite PSA levels in the normal range.
2) when you limit the analysis to men over 70, prostate cancer develops despite PSA levels in the normal range ~50% of the time
3) This finding led to recommendations for doctors to not even do PSA tests on men over 70 and instead regularly ask detailed questions of the patient about SYMPTOMS such as urination frequency, incomplete bladder emptying, urge incontinence
4) Point 3 explains why Biden didn't have PSA test done: it is not predictive of prostate cancer with more than a coin flip certainty and he reported no symptoms, apparently
5) There have been proposals to refine the PSA analysis guidelines, such as to consider smaller upward changes in the PSA numbers as a "red flag", even if the new number still qualifies as being in the "normal" range. These haven't been adopted, however.
... the more you know...
I said many drs
I said many drs disagree…..what is the argument here? Using Milton’s Dr and Shooter’s linked information.
I am obviously no doctor but I’ve known many guys with prostrate cancer including my father. Not one had it show up out of the blue at the stage Biden’s at.
I’ve watched several interviews with doctors including the Democrat networks and not one has said it could have shown up mysteriously in the last 100 days.
Referring back to @Mark Milton post, if Biden has the "dedifferentiated" type of prostate cancer, then wouldn't that explain this?
You're (presumably) familiar with the most common type of prostate cancer. The type Mark's friend was referencing is a rare type.
-The symptoms only recently emerged, or only recently were fessed up to by the patient
-Indeed it is likely that he had undiagnosed and mostly asymptomatic disease for some time, but that doesn't mean that a doctor or the patient "covered it up".
-PSA tests in his age group are especially unreliable indicators of prostate cancer progression
-For this reason, PSA tests in men over 70 are NOT standard of care
-Several doctors have clearly explained this, on multiple networks and in numerous articles, supported by research studies that I have linked.
Uh, it reads “often grows slowly”. When reading deeper into it, its meaning means “often, but not always, grows slowly.” A good friend of my first ex-wife’s father, an ex-father-in-law, was 60 when first diagnosed with prostate CA. He died six mos. later. Despite what Hippocrates might say, check Biden’s prostate every six mos, if not sooner-not every old man prostate CA has 10 years to give!Hmm, this says PSA treatment should NOT happen to people over 70
Recommendation: Prostate Cancer: Screening | United States Preventive Services Taskforce
The American Cancer Society seem to be in to coverup too:
Because prostate cancer often grows slowly, men without symptoms of prostate cancer who have less than a 10-year life expectancy should not be offered prostate cancer screening, because they aren’t likely to benefit from it. Overall health status, and not age alone, is important when making decisions about screening.American Cancer Society Recommendations for Prostate Cancer Early Detection
The American Cancer Society (ACS) recommends that men have a chance to make an informed decision with their health care provider about whether to be screened for prostate cancer.
So it appears Biden's doctor was going by the book.
A female attorney once asked me how my father’s “postrate” treatment was coming. I chuckled to myself and went on pretending I heard her “correctly,” curtailing further embarrassment.
So the President of the United States wasn’t getting thorough physical or cognitive exams? Why not?
Hey doc, when did it metastasize to the bone? It is symptomatic, now. That is why it was found.
I did break out the FT analogy. PSA levels are within normal ranges in ~50% of over-70 men with a prostate cancer diagnosis. Shaq shooting a FT, not Alford.
I'm sure he was.
With respect to the prostate, he apparently was answering NO to all of the many questions from his doctors about prostate health, so no actions were taken. Maybe they imaged it for size, but prostate enlargement (or not) is also not a good indicator of prostate cancer. Symptoms are.
It seems his doctors followed protocols RECOMMENDED BY THE AMERICAN CANCER ASSOCIATION. No PSA tests if over 70, assess symptoms instead. No biopsies. Should they also hook patients to a polygraph?
I guess we will never know unless these many Biden leakers crawling out of their holes produce a doctor’s test results showing they knew.
MSNBC didn't deny Biden's cognition was waining? Are you serious?
Congress can't file criminal charges. The DoJ can. Guess who ran the DoJ when the statute of limitations ran out?I've lost all patience for disrespectful posts and posters. I'd say sorry, but I'm not.Don't worry, my blood pressure didn't elevate at all.
I used to watch O'Reilly often when he was on Fox. He's entertaining. I don't even know where his show is now, so I don't watch it. So, we're to believe that the foreign meddling and investigation are known only to him? Who was doing the meddling? Who is being investigated? Who's doing the investigation? How could any potential bombshell investigation not be known about? Surely, he gave you some hints at the answers to these obvious questions.
I've never said that Trump was engaged in a conspiracy with Russia to influence the election and that is what Mueller found. I don't know why some of you MAGAs get so fixated on that. The fact is, as found by our intelligence services, Mueller and a Republican led Senate committee investigation, Russia did try to influence the 2016 election in Trump's favor. What is unknown is how successful it was. It's not quantifiable. Russian influence isn't a crime committed by Trump, which should be what you care about. Some Russians were indicted for committing crimes though. That's also not a Trump crime.
We'll see what happens with Biden, but you can't be too confident they're going to find anything really serious given that the House Republicans spent four years investigating Hunter and Joe Biden and never came up with a single crime to refer to the DOJ. However, you can keep hope alive. If they ever find any actual crimes, I've always been for prosecuting the perpetrators. At this point though, it seems unlikely, and Biden should just fade away. Trump supporters probably owe Biden a debt of gratitude for not dropping out before the primaries. Democrats might actually have found a reasonable candidate to face Trump. Stranger things have happened.
