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So was it okay for Biden,

Coh is spot on. It colors your objectivity re the left and has for the last four years. This iteration under Biden including Biden is every bit as despicable as Trump. Trump and Biden are birds of a feather.
I dislike MAGA culture even more than I dislike Trump. Their behavior is encouraged by Trump’s behavior, but I have no confidence it will go away when Trump does. It has made the GOP extremely ugly and I’m not down with it.
 
I'm seeing more confusion from Trump this go round, although with him you also have to separate out the obvious lies. I think before the end of this term we may be having these same discussions on Trump. Being President is stressful, especially given his age.
And I don’t know that Trump is actually making all the decisions. We know Musk made a lot of screwed up decisions. And I guess this is still him making the decision, but those who have worked with him say that he often makes decisions based on WH is the last person to speak to him. Or more likely who offers him the best “incentives” to get their way.
 
Biden lied about every important event in his life, including the death of his wife and two children, solely for the purpose of political credibility and political gain. I already pointed out that the chances of this diagnosis happening as Biden claims are 93% the other way. (Yeah I have a thorough understanding of PC diagnosis, treatments, statistics and prognosis. I was a very informed patient). The opinions about Biden are very reasonable.

Your messages about this springs from your intense dislike of Trump that frequently shows up as criticizing Trump supporters on this board. (No I don’t know that, but that is my opinion from reading all of your posts I see)

I think you are overstating your point.
He lied about the death of his children? And wife? Please explain. Did Beau not die of brain cancer? Trying to compare Biden and Trump and their lies is a losing game for your side. Trump picks up a sharpie to lie about the weather and expects his minions to believe him. And sadly many do. The two are not, and will never be the same.
 
I dislike MAGA culture even more than I dislike Trump. Their behavior is encouraged by Trump’s behavior, but I have no confidence it will go away when Trump does. It has made the GOP extremely ugly and I’m not down with it.
I’m hoping that if they can elect someone who is not so purposely cruel, callous and corrupt it will calm down, but I’m afraid he has convinced politicians that’s the way you have to behave now to get elected.
 
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Coh is spot on. It colors your objectivity re the left and has for the last four years. This iteration under Biden including Biden is every bit as despicable as Trump. Trump and Biden are birds of a feather.
I’m not talking about Biden or the left, which I also dislike. I’m talking about MAGA culture. It’s on my side of the aisle so it concerns me more. It’s ugly. It makes the GOP ugly. I very much dislike that.
 
I’m not talking about Biden or the left, which I also dislike. I’m talking about MAGA culture. It’s on my side of the aisle so it concerns me more. It’s ugly. It makes the GOP ugly. I very much dislike that.
That’s the point. You rarely talk about the left. The left today is every bit as vile. Imo more. From blm and the summer of love to the god awful policies to the hateful rhetoric of Trump supporters are garbage to the endless race baiting to the fraud perpetuated on the public to the endless lies from inflation to abortion. Destroying art. Gaza. The left are certifiable and dishonest and judgmental and meaner than shit
 
That’s the point. You rarely talk about the left. The left today is every bit as vile. Imo more. From blm and the summer of love to the god awful policies to the hateful rhetoric of Trump supporters are garbage to the endless race baiting to the fraud perpetuated on the public to the endless lies from inflation to abortion. Destroying art. Gaza. The left are certifiable and dishonest and judgmental and meaner than shit
I’m not talking about Biden or the left, which I also dislike. I’m talking about MAGA culture. It’s on my side of the aisle so it concerns me more. It’s ugly. It makes the GOP ugly. I very much dislike that.
The left has to many minorities for me!
 
Of course it wasn't, whatever it was. We don't know when he discovered cancer that I am aware of. If it came about after he dropped out, does it matter?
So, do you think his doctors were so incompetent that they missed this cancer for many years? Even the doctors on CNN, MSNBC and other Democrat media say this didn’t just pop up after the election.

Someone or some group of people totally misled the American people about Biden’s physical and mental condition. These same people were going to run him again until they thought he’d lose.

Whoever was controlling the “auto pen” a lot of explaining to do.
 
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So, do you think his doctors were so incompetent that they missed this cancer for many years? Even the doctors on CNN, MSNBC and other Democrat media say this didn’t just pop up after the election.

Someone or some group of people totally misled the American people about Biden’s physical and mental condition. These same people were going to run him again until they thought he’d lose.

Whoever was controlling the “auto pen” a lot of explaining to do.
I don't know when it popped up, neither do those doctors. Like I said, Scott Adams has the exact same thing and he didn't discover it until it was in his bone. So yes, he may have known about it in August, but he was already out of the race and would be gone in January no matter who won, so it isn't a big deal. Even CO didn't think this would have been an impact on his function as president.

And long ago, long before he dropped out, I said he shouldn't be president and I wouldn't vote for him. I am sure you can search the forum and find more than one post that he needed to drop out. This doesn't change that. I am just saying the cancer isn't a big deal as there isn't a lot of evidence that prostate cancer damages one's ability to think. The mental decline caused by other things was a big deal.
 

AOC Seen as ‘Face’ of Democratic Party — and It’s Not Even Close: New Poll​


That doesn't really tell me much of anything meaningful, including what "face" means. As you said earlier, her name being in the media only tells us a little bit. It looks like #2 in this "poll" was "Nobody".
 
I don't know when it popped up, neither do those doctors. Like I said, Scott Adams has the exact same thing and he didn't discover it until it was in his bone. So yes, he may have known about it in August, but he was already out of the race and would be gone in January no matter who won, so it isn't a big deal. Even CO didn't think this would have been an impact on his function as president.

And long ago, long before he dropped out, I said he shouldn't be president and I wouldn't vote for him. I am sure you can search the forum and find more than one post that he needed to drop out. This doesn't change that. I am just saying the cancer isn't a big deal as there isn't a lot of evidence that prostate cancer damages one's ability to think. The mental decline caused by other things was a big deal.
Since everything is so political now we can’t depend on the 25th amendment being applied if needed.

Seems to me we need independent medical and cognitive testing yearly on presidents and results reported to the Country.
 
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That doesn't really tell me much of anything meaningful, including what "face" means. As you said earlier, her name being in the media only tells us a little bit. It looks like #2 in this "poll" was "Nobody".
i understand. the face doesn't necessarily mean the one in best position to be candidate, supported, etc. it's the one out front in the media carrying the message. i think where we disagree is the value attendant to that position. to me, in the current environment, it's critical. it's too hard for a measured, silent type who isn't loud, isn't screaming, isn't sensational to get the recognition needed to garner support/money etc

we'll know in time obviously
 
... the chances of this diagnosis happening as Biden claims are 93% the other way.
Google and Google Scholar searches certainly do not support your 7% number.

The AI summary on Google says that approximately 20% of men with prostate cancer have normal PSA levels. Further, especially aggressive prostate cancers tend to produce lower PSA levels than less aggressive forms.

Going to primary research, one study showed 27% of the men with "normal" PSA values of 4.0 ng per milliliter or less, who ranged in age from 62 to 91 years, were found to have prostate cancer.


wider review here: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3474980/

This study put the number at 25%:

summarized here: https://www.cancer.org/cancer/types/prostate-cancer/detection-diagnosis-staging/tests.html

This study suggests that in older men the incidence is much higher, even >50%. Yes, older men like Joe Biden have less apparent correlation of PSA with disease onset and progression.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK557495/

Going through pages and pages of search results convinces me that your numbers are very dubious.

You peg it as less than the odds of Reggie Miller, Steve Alford, or Larry Bird missing a free throw. But it is at best Russian roulette odds. At worst a coin flip. Like Shaq missing a FT.
 
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What the Dems and complicit media did was not okay. I honestly think Biden was so out of it he hardly recognized it. I hold him less responsible. The media. His handlers. Despicable.

The idea that Trump is some how worse than that batch of Dems is absolutely comical
I’m old enough to remember when this was simply a conspiracy theory!

Another on bites the dust
 
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What the Dems and complicit media did was not okay. I honestly think Biden was so out of it he hardly recognized it. I hold him less responsible. The media. His handlers. Despicable.

The idea that Trump is some how worse than that batch of Dems is absolutely comical
Biden was completely capable.
He issued over 2,400 pardons in only one day...literally super-human...
 
That is true but it doesn't seem like he got much resistance until it was too late. Nobody on the Democratic side stepped up and challenged him for the nomination.
Very seldom does an incumbent not get the nomination if they want it because they usually have an advantage in a general election (most presidents have gotten their 2 terms). Obviously Biden should have put his ego and desire aside earlier and DNC should have tried harder to convince him to do so but not the least bit shocking.
 
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The decision making on the DNC side of the fence has been historically awful. How anyone could come to the conclusion that Biden running for a 2nd term was the best solution... well its mind blowing to me.
On the other side how anyone could come to the conclusion that Trump was the best solution for the Republicans is mind blowing to me.
 
What the Dems and complicit media did was not okay. I honestly think Biden was so out of it he hardly recognized it. I hold him less responsible. The media. His handlers. Despicable.

The idea that Trump is some how worse than that batch of Dems is absolutely comical
Yes it is unless they are a totally hardcore democrat partisan which some on this board are. If you are you will claim Trump is much worse and nothing will change your mind no matter what comes out about Biden. He never ever should have planned to run for a second term but by totally ignoring his issues the dems allowed it to happen up until the last minute and they paid the price by losing. They brought it all on themselves.
 
Very seldom does an incumbent not get the nomination if they want it because they usually have an advantage in a general election (most presidents have gotten their 2 terms). Obviously Biden should have put his ego and desire aside earlier and DNC should have tried harder to convince him to do so but not the least bit shocking.
I think another Democrat could have beat him for the nomination. Like Mark said the only one who thought he was the best candidate was Biden and his handlers.
 
CO.H before a judge: Your honor, the prosecution contends that there is a 73% chance that this man is guilty.

The judge: What? 73% chance? Get out of my court!
 
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Who cares. You guys have claimed to know this for years and it's one of the reasons the Dems lost this past fall. Democracy worked. Move on and worry about your own extremely old, senile and decrepit guy. His doctors said he is in the best shape of any president ever. 😂
They claimed he was sharp as ever.

SCARBOROUGH: "No, I just always told people that he's — the president is very sharp. If you say something or write something, there have been times he’s called and he’s refuted it very sharply. I’ve talked to foreign leaders that have had conversations with him that said that he was on top of every issue, and to the degree that they were actually -- some NATO leaders have told me they were very surprised, the contrast with the image in public and the Joe Biden behind closed doors, because he is so sharp. But he’s on top of everything. So much of it has to do with presentation. I will say, also, for any Trumpers who say, 'Oh my god, they’re talking about how he may need to take a rest once in a while.' Please, you’re talking about Donald Trump who did nothing but sit in his office and watch cable news all day, the executive time when we like to get — well, I’m sure we could go to Mar-a-Lago, he probably has them shoved in drawers, all of his stuff.”
 
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I dislike MAGA culture even more than I dislike Trump. Their behavior is encouraged by Trump’s behavior, but I have no confidence it will go away when Trump does. It has made the GOP extremely ugly and I’m not down with it.
I don’t know what “MAGA Culture” is. When I asked you to explain, you describe dipshits and assholes. Dipshits and assholes are ubiquitous and have no ideology. Attaching dipshits and assholes to MAGA is a specific political opinion and I accept it in that way.
 
He lied about the death of his children? And wife? Please explain. Did Beau not die of brain cancer? Trying to compare Biden and Trump and their lies is a losing game for your side. Trump picks up a sharpie to lie about the weather and expects his minions to believe him. And sadly many do. The two are not, and will never be the same.
Ha! You posted your whutabout without my response. I ain’t gonna play your game. Go look it up yourself.
 
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The cancer doesn't matter if it happened after he dropped out. There is no indication the cancer has any impact on his ability to perform the job in the months remaining in his term. We've had a lot of presidents with medical conditions that impacted a lot of things, but not necessarily their judgement. Ike had heart issues, JFK had back issues, FDR had the polio aftermath, Arthur had nephritis, and Cleveland had mouth cancer.

I see Scott Adams of Dilbert fame has the same cancer as Biden and only has a couple of months to live. Clearly they didn't catch Adams' in time to prevent it going to the bone, so there is no reason to necessarily believed the cancer was covered up.
Wow, didn't know that aobut Adams. That's terrible.

I had stage 3 kidney cancer that I didn't know about until my kidneys failed from dehydration on a trip to Italy. I was in an Italian hospital for 16 days while they got them restarted through dialysis. I was very close to death at that point, because my kidneys had completely shut down.

While there, they x-ray'd my kidneys and found a spot on one of them. Told my doctor in Indy and had an ultrasound and they said I had probably stage 1 kidney cancer. Then I had an MRI and they said I had stage 2.

Then had the operation where they thought they might be able to save it and it turned out to be stage 3 and they removed it.

I tell all this because it's my experience that discovering cancer is not as easy as it sounds, or should be. My lab results for kidney functions had just come back perfectly normal before all this happened. That sad fact is, cancer screeening via MRI or CT is not routine, at all. It should have been on a President, but maybe his PSA numbers were normal.

LIfe's a crap shoot. I'm only here because it was hot as hell in Italy and I got dehydrated. Maybe the cancer helped that along? I'll never know. I just know it took me being close to death to find out I had the cancer.

I'll give Bidens doctors somewhat of a pass on the prostate. I won't give them a pass on his mental acuity.
 
There have been multiple oncologists on TV, other media, and the Mayo doctor cited in another thread comment that

1) more often than not, prostate cancer is detectable early based on a PSA test, a blood test that measures the amount of prostate-specific antigen (PSA) in your blood

2) In a significant number of cases (10-30%), however, PSA levels stay within normal ranges and so prostate cancer is not suspected

3) In those cases PSA levels can remain low even for years and the prostate cancer is not diagnosed until symptoms emerge that necessitate other protocols (imaging, biopsy, etc)

This thread is assuming that #1 is the only possibility. It is merely the more common situation.
Ignoring the falling, foggy brain, gaffes, incontinence. and PET and CT scans ability to detect anomalies at the near microscopic size is so non-SCIENCE....
 
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Since everything is so political now we can’t depend on the 25th amendment being applied if needed.

Seems to me we need independent medical and cognitive testing yearly on presidents and results reported to the Country.
For many years, Americans were told, "The President is reporting to Walter Reed Hospital for his day-long. extensive annual physical exam. performed by a team of the very best specialists available".
 
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