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How many of you have been watching high school basketball this year? Some of the players who are maybe not as well known but who are fun to watch have done really well. I'd like for anybody to share some they have seen as well. But Mishawaka Marian has a Junior guard named Deaglan Sullivan. This kid is a ball of energy. I have no idea if he is division 1 or not because of his size, yet I just enjoy watching him. What say you? In your area who are some players who might be as well known but you just enjoy them?
 
VanPastorMan said:
How many of you have been watching high school basketball this year? Some of the players who are maybe not as well known but who are fun to watch have done really well. I'd like for anybody to share some they have seen as well. But Mishawaka Marian has a Junior guard named Deaglan Sullivan. This kid is a ball of energy. I have no idea if he is division 1 or not because of his size, yet I just enjoy watching him. What say you? In your area who are some players who might be as well known but you just enjoy them?
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Personally I think this a down yr. At lest for seniors in Indiana.
I'll be interested in this Btown North / Indianapolis Cathedral game here at the Hatchet House..Couple underclassmen D-1 guy's in that one...
 
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Sobchak_Security said:
IMO the 2 best shooters in this Sr class are headed to other B1G programs.
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Loyer and the kid going to wisconsin? Idk a thing about him. I think Smith I'd a decent shooter as well. Am I missing someone? Who are the shooters to watch below the senior class?
 
BoilerN said:
Loyer and the kid going to wisconsin? Idk a thing about him. I think Smith I'd a decent shooter as well. Am I missing someone? Who are the shooters to watch below the senior class?
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I was referring to Loyer and Essegian. In terms of good shooters in the coming classes, I would defer to Bloom and others who are better informed than I am.
 
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Hatchets7times said:
Personally I think this a down yr. At lest for seniors in Indiana.
I'll be interested in this Btown North / Indianapolis Cathedral game here at the Hatchet House..Couple underclassmen D-1 guy's in that one...
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I've seen a lot of Cathedral's games. You have a great guard in Tayshawn Comer. I'm not as impressed with their big named Booker because he wants to shoot the 3 too much. He is pretty thin and gets knocked off the block while he is there. One player of theirs I really like is Jaxon Edwards who is going to Murray State. He is a very good shooter and athlete. If you end up going to the game let me know your thoughts on him. North has a big kid who looks pretty good. Not sure how much interesting IU has in him.
 
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VanPastorMan said:
I've seen a lot of Cathedral's games. You have a great guard in Tayshawn Comer. I'm not as impressed with their big named Booker because he wants to shoot the 3 too much. He is pretty thin and gets knocked off the block while he is there. One player of theirs I really like is Jaxon Edwards who is going to Murray State. He is a very good shooter and athlete. If you end up going to the game let me know your thoughts on him. North has a big kid who looks pretty good. Not sure how much interesting IU has in him.
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Going..I've been going to the Hatchet House since 1974".lol..
I'll get back to you my friend..
 
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Sobchak_Security said:
I was referring to Loyer and Essegian. In terms of good shooters in the coming classes, I would defer to Bloom and others who are better informed than I am.
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I didn't realize until the other day that Essegian was going to wisconsin, so I couldn't tell ya the first thing about him.
 
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Indy2Jax said:
They are right more often than they are wrong.
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Not sure I totally agree. Maybe inside the top 40, but once you get outside of the top 40, 41-100 are similar, 100-175 are similar.

I said it years ago, the days of single dominant teams are over because the talent pool being recruited gets deeper and deeper each and every year.
 
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VanPastorMan said:
How many of you have been watching high school basketball this year? Some of the players who are maybe not as well known but who are fun to watch have done really well. I'd like for anybody to share some they have seen as well. But Mishawaka Marian has a Junior guard named Deaglan Sullivan. This kid is a ball of energy. I have no idea if he is division 1 or not because of his size, yet I just enjoy watching him. What say you? In your area who are some players who might be as well known but you just enjoy them?
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Jack Benter. Soph at Brownstown
 
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BoilerN said:
Not sure I totally agree. Maybe inside the top 40, but once you get outside of the top 40, 41-100 are similar, 100-175 are similar.

I said it years ago, the days of single dominant teams are over because the talent pool being recruited gets deeper and deeper each and every year.
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And yet championships are still mostly won by the usual teams.


ulrey said:
Lander was a 5 star.
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Ha ha. Well I said more often, not always.
 
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Indy2Jax said:
They are right more often than they are wrong.
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I am not sure what you mean right more often then wrong. I have looked at the high school ratings for NBA finals and most were below 5 star. Steph Curry was a 3 as an example. When I look at current Big10 a lot of deviation from high school ratings-Keegan Murray as an example was a three star. If you look at national champions the last number of years then the five star programs have underperformed. If you mean that the average high schooler rated 5 star will have a higher ppg average in college then lesser rated players then maybe true but i haven't tried to check.

If you have good high school scouting ability then better expected college team results than taking the the star rating system as valuable ranking insight. Maybe you agree with the rating and maybe you don't.

This looks like another bad tourny for the five star heavy teams.
 
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I am not sure what you mean right more often then wrong. I have looked at the high school ratings for NBA finals and most were below 5 star. Steph Curry was a 3 as an example. When I look at current Big10 a lot of deviation from high school ratings-Keegan Murray as an example was a three star. If you look at national champions the last number of years then the five star programs have underperformed. If you mean that the average high schooler rated 5 star will have a higher ppg average in college then lesser rated players then maybe true but i haven't tried to check.

If you have good high school scouting ability then better expected college team results than taking the the star rating system as valuable ranking insight. Maybe you agree with the rating and maybe you don't.

This looks like another bad tourny for the five star heavy teams.
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Carsen was 119, jaden 89. Jaden was recruited by Shrewsberry as a 2 year player.
 
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I am not sure what you mean right more often then wrong. I have looked at the high school ratings for NBA finals and most were below 5 star. Steph Curry was a 3 as an example. When I look at current Big10 a lot of deviation from high school ratings-Keegan Murray as an example was a three star. If you look at national champions the last number of years then the five star programs have underperformed. If you mean that the average high schooler rated 5 star will have a higher ppg average in college then lesser rated players then maybe true but i haven't tried to check.

If you have good high school scouting ability then better expected college team results than taking the the star rating system as valuable ranking insight. Maybe you agree with the rating and maybe you don't.

This looks like another bad tourny for the five star heavy teams.
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That is such an oversimplification.

Of top 20 players in NBA, 15 were 5* recruits or at that level (Giannis/Jokic/Luka) being 3 that weren't ranked.

Only 5 weren't 5* (Kawhi, Steph, Ja, Dame, Jimmy Buckets). You could also swap in someone like Kyrie, KAT, Derozan, for them and they were all 5*.

The point being, your odds of being really good ,because you have really good players, increases significantly and proportionally to the amount of talent you can put on a roster. It's great to find the Morant, Oladipo, Butler types, but if you are hanging your hat on that strategy, you won't be anywhere near a regular competitor for national titles. You could still have a nice gig like Painter has carved out, but you wont' consistently get to Final 4's and consistently have teams that can compete for national titles.
 
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Hoosier in Mad Town said:
That is such an oversimplification.

Of top 20 players in NBA, 15 were 5* recruits or at that level (Giannis/Jokic/Luka) being 3 that weren't ranked.

Only 5 weren't 5* (Kawhi, Steph, Ja, Dame, Jimmy Buckets). You could also swap in someone like Kyrie, KAT, Derozan, for them and they were all 5*.

The point being, your odds of being really good ,because you have really good players, increases significantly and proportionally to the amount of talent you can put on a roster. It's great to find the Morant, Oladipo, Butler types, but if you are hanging your hat on that strategy, you won't be anywhere near a regular competitor for national titles. You could still have a nice gig like Painter has carved out, but you wont' consistently get to Final 4's and consistently have teams that can compete for national titles.
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BINGO!
 
Hoosier in Mad Town said:
That is such an oversimplification.

Of top 20 players in NBA, 15 were 5* recruits or at that level (Giannis/Jokic/Luka) being 3 that weren't ranked.

Only 5 weren't 5* (Kawhi, Steph, Ja, Dame, Jimmy Buckets). You could also swap in someone like Kyrie, KAT, Derozan, for them and they were all 5*.

The point being, your odds of being really good ,because you have really good players, increases significantly and proportionally to the amount of talent you can put on a roster. It's great to find the Morant, Oladipo, Butler types, but if you are hanging your hat on that strategy, you won't be anywhere near a regular competitor for national titles. You could still have a nice gig like Painter has carved out, but you wont' consistently get to Final 4's and consistently have teams that can compete for national titles.
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Agreed. Thats painters biggest issue. He always has the team to go around a couple studs, but struggles to land that stud. Just this last year, he saw Ingram go to Stanford, Chet go to Gonzaga, Christie go to MSU. Those were 3 guys that Purdue led for quite some time. Especially Ingram.
 
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Agreed. Thats painters biggest issue. He always has the team to go around a couple studs, but struggles to land that stud. Just this last year, he saw Ingram go to Stanford, Chet go to Gonzaga, Christie go to MSU. Those were 3 guys that Purdue led for quite some time. Especially Ingram.
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Purdue never led for Chet, and they weren't even in his final schools.
 
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Purdue never led for Chet, and they weren't even in his final schools.
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They did way early actually. Not of late though. They fell off once Gonzaga got involved as that was where he was going once the offer came in. I was hesitant to put him because it wasn't down to the end, but it still fit my point, so I added him.
 
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They did way early actually. Not of late though. They fell off once Gonzaga got involved as that was where he was going once the offer came in. I was hesitant to put him because it wasn't down to the end, but it still fit my point, so I added him.
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So Purdue was the leader because they were the only offer. You could have named a number of great players over the course of the years if that's the case.
 
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So Purdue was the leader because they were the only offer. You could have named a number of great players over the course of the years if that's the case.
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Not what I said and also not my point, so done with you unless you want to be on topic with the conversation.
 
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Not what I said and also not my point, so done with you unless you want to be on topic with the conversation.
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Purdue has been in contention for many 5* (ultimately failing to land all but Swanigan). Chet was not one of them.

This is Purdue's best team of all time from a talent perspective, but as has already been stated, two of their top 3 players can't play together, and they are very poor defensively.
 
B1G_Fan said:
Purdue has been in contention for many 5* (ultimately failing to land all but Swanigan). Chet was not one of them.

This is Purdue's best team of all time from a talent perspective, but as has already been stated, two of their top 3 players can't play together, and they are very poor defensively.
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I'd argue the 2017 team was better. And purdue was in eary contention before chet blew up. But again, this getting off pace from the thread.
 
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