Did you start watching Purdue in 2012?
It's not even Painter's most talented team let alone Purdue's best ever.
So many good high school players in Indiana
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It's not even Painter's most talented team let alone Purdue's best ever.
Not sure where the narrative that this was Painter's best team ever came from.
It is Painter's most talented team. It is not his best team. There is a difference. Painter has never had a player even close to Ivey's level. One of the issues is that Purdue's 2nd and 3rd most talented players are not able to share the court at the same time.
Hes never had a talent at the level of ivey in terms of athleticism and talent, but that doesn't make this Painter's most talented team. 2017 had a better starting 5.
I also think, as college players, I'd highly consider Hummel pre injury, Moore, and Carsen as better players under Painter. But you draft ivey before any of them because of his ceiling. Ivey isn't close to his ceiling, whereas, carsen could score at will.
well, I'd say from PU fans and the media prior to the season. There were lots of F4 predictions going around. I just never thought you had a PG to make a run like that and I still believe that is your Achilles Heal.
For the first part, I still disagree. Ivey, Trevion, and Edey would have been the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th best players on that team. Again, the issue with your current team is that your 2nd and 3rd best players can't be on the court together at the same time.
For the second part, again, there is a different between most talented and best college production. Ivey is far and away the most talented player Painter has ever coached. Not even close. Proof of that will be him being Painter's only lottery pick ever.
Yes. I just said that. But carsen was the better college player and I'd pick him over ivey. That 2017 team also have Vince, Dakota, PJ, cline. All would be better than depth on this team.
Ya. And that's all it is based on. Preseason hoopla. Everyone sites the ranking, but 2017 had a better case of being ranked #1. All subjective.
I again don't think you understand the difference between talent and production.
Of the players you named, only Cline came off the bench. The bench on the current team is significantly better than the bench on the 2017 team. Williams alone makes that the case.
No. I understand. Talent ceiling is what gets you drafted high. Carsen was productive, but not big enough for the NBA. Carsen was the more talented college player.
No it isn't. This team has 2 pros on it.
HIs 2009 team had 3, and they could share the court. If Hummel doesn't get hurt, that team gets to a Final 4.
*Might have gotten to a Final 4
Arguing 4 hypothetical wins in a single elimination tournament that Purdue historically has struggled in is silly and at best a conversation starter.
You mentioned final four and top 20 NBA players so which of the following reached the final four (I will include all even those that didn't play college ball)
Embiid (played with Wiggins)-No
Durand-No
Giannis-No
Lebron-No
Curry-No
Harden-No
Jokic-No
Morant-No
Luka-No
Kawhi-No
Davis-Yes
Lillard-No
Tatum- No
Booker-Yes
Beal-No
Butler-No
Paul-No
Young-No
Mitchell-No
Brown-No
George-No
Irving-No
I believe your argument rests on the assumption that for building a college basketball team capable of a championship run it is impossible for anyone to evaluate high school talent better than is done by the star system. Sorry but I dont agree with that.
Last seasons Baylor team starters didn't have a five star. They did have a five star transfer that Scott Drew cut from the team. I believe Kyle Guy was the only five star on Virginia's championship team.
I believe the best strategy for IU in the current basketball world is to recruit the players that Woodson wants and that fit and hope to make a real championship run once each four years. I can't imagine success trying to copy and paste Duke and being successful. If you want a never ending stream of ultimately disappointing one and done teams then maybe switch to blue and white for one of the blue and white specialists.
Let's see how the usual five star programs fare this year in the tourny.
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Edwards was a lot of fun to watch. I appreciated him even though he went to......PU. lol
I've seen him..
Guy can score..I'm not so sure he can guard high D -1 players that he would have to go against..
He's not very athletic...Idk.
Someone else probably see's something else..
Well UK .. Duke ...Any of the usual suspects that get mutiple 5 stars..
Have been on another plant compared to Indiana. For 20 yrs..
Usually..No not everyone..ie(Lander..
That's top 30 guy's.. Are season changers.....
I'd like mix of top 100 guys
I would be happy with one good three point shooter right now and don't care where he was ranked by someone. Keegan Murray would suit me fine though not top 100. I dream every night that one of our guys gets hot right now.
Heck Butler outperformed us over the last twenty years and how many toast of the basketball world five stars did they have?
Did Brad Stevens have championship run teams because he out recruited Duke and KY based on stars?
Ivey, Williams, and Edey are all projected to be taken this year. They also have Furst and Kaufman who were pretty highly rated recruits.
I know most like to be pissed at every other school in the state but what Butler did back to back to me is right there with Bird in 79 as some of the greatest NCAA tourney runs. IU's run in 74,75,76 was tremendous but they were dominant , not coming out of left field.
Butler's day's seem to have run out..
Duke has 4 of the top 10 guy's coming in next year..
I'd much rather be them....
live your dream-
Keep an eye on 6'5 Junior Cooper Farrall from Culver Military Academy. (yup, same as Galloway) Dead eye 3pt shooter and can drive as well. Good athlete. 20+ ppg. His dad played for Mallory in the late 80's so I'm sure he is in the staffs ears to check out his son.
Williams and edey are second rounders at best. Edey won't go pro. Furst looks like a freshman right now (hint, not the best) and kaufman redshirted so we have no idea what he looks like. Ivey is a top 5 pick, but carsen was the better player at Purdue.
Edey will go if he gets a second round grade.
The rest of your response doesn’t mean much, because there is a difference between talent and production. Ivey is more talented than Carsen.
Agreed, but you make it sound like ivey is better than carsen and that makes this team better. Ivey is not the better college player. Ivey is going to be a better pro. Also, why would edey go with a 2nd round grade when he can come back and improve. No indication says he is going.
Lol your reading comprehension is garbage. I said this team was more talented, not better than the 2017 team. The 2017 team would beat this team 8/10 times.
Edey will never be a first round pick. His flaws are not things he can improve on. Why would he waste a year coming back only to get taken in the same spot a year later?
Your boy Brian has been backpedaling hard on Edey going to be back next year. Now every update he says there is a very real possibility he goes. His guess is that he comes back.
He literally said last Thursday he'd be shocked if he left after saying all offseason he looked good and there was a legit chance he'd go pro. You got that mixed up a bit. He hasn't back peddled on anything with edey. So by your logic, TJD should go pro as well aye?
And na, I can read. 2017 was more talented as well. The drop-off to center in that team wasn't as much as the drop-off to guard play from that team to this one.
If TJD gets a 2nd round grade, he should absolutely go pro. He will never be a 1st round pick, just like Edey. Brian didn’t start suggesting it was possible Edey goes pro until like January. He still says his GUESS is that he doesn’t go pro. I would expect nothing less from a Purdue fan.
Has nothing to do with drop offs anywhere. The players on this team are more talented top to bottom. I’m shocked it’s so hard for you to understand.
They aren't though. You haven't proven otherwise. Neubert said in preseason edey was catching eyes and the chances existed.
Pointless conversation in a thread you have insisted on changing the topic in multiple times so that you can create a narrative about Painter so that if Purdue loses in the tourney, you can go back to how he's a failure and use your claims as defense. Have a wonderful evening and try not to hijack anymore threads.
Okay, you win, this Purdue team isn’t talented. You guys were here talking about a final 4 before the year, and then you shit down your leg in conference play.
Going to be rough replacing Ivey, Edey, Williams, Sasha, and Hunter (and likely Newman).
Never claimed them a final 4 lock. Said they had a chance. Still do. Newman isn't a senior. Edey is likely staying. Both are here next year until otherwise. Purdue will be fine next year. Night.
One junior that has been getting a lot of attention up here in Northern Indiana is Marcus Burton , a guard from Penn. In same conference as Sullivan from Mishawaka Marian. Has been putting up around 25/ game.
What were the composite rankings of all your AAs at Purdue under Painter? Hint: Not a single AA you’ve had has been a 3* or below.
You must think this is a Purdue board. Us IU fans don’t care about this crap at all. Please take it elsewhere.
I didn't bring it up. Was only responding to a post I was mentioned in. Tried to keep on topic multiple times. Should probably call out the other guy. Thanks for listening!
